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Am I a mug? (So long, sorry)

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Nothingsundercontrol · 16/06/2018 14:15

Hi all, long time lurker and first post but love all the support and advice given on here. I am quite young and no kids but hoping for some advice. This is unbelievably long but don't want to drip-feed so appreciate if this gets no replies.

Backstory: me 24, great stable job for two years in London, family owned flat in nice central area with cheap rent, sporty and size 6-8 (not boasting relative later), kind and loyal to a fault, overly sensitive and difficult upbringing and can come across cold at first but am actually really soppy and desperate to just love and be loved and be happy. I'm a relationship person and past relationships ended due to youth and distance, and most recent because I'd grown up a lot over the years and my ex was very much in the student phase of life. Not his fault but parted on good terms as we both wanted different lives.

Him: same age, model looks, two jobs he does not enjoy in a year, quiet, active, sporty, anger issues (I have tried to support and understand and show him love and don't judge), moved to London to be with an ex in her family's home, he kissed someone on a work night out (only told me well into our relationship that he had previously cheated or I'd probably not have gone there in the first place), then said it fell apart because living together caused rows and he moved into a new flat whilst saying he to her they were still together and would make it work living apart but then ended it as soon as he moved into the new place. Met me about six weeks later.

Met a year and a half ago, I'd resigned myself to being single but was enjoying the odd date (more for a laugh and something to do) and he turned my life upside down. I had never known love like it, i couldn't believe I'd met someone who wanted to fight my corner and be on my side and support me. I think I am quite nice looking and like to make an effort with hair and clothes but he made me feel like the most stunning creature on the planet. I couldn't contain my happiness and thought that all the difficulties I'd had in life had been worth it to experience such a great love, like I'd experienced the bad so I would be ready to appreciate the wonder of this relationship. I couldn't believe how lucky I was and even better, he didn't seem to be able to believe how lucky he was either. Bliss and contentment and safety all in one.

Or so I thought, he hated his job. I supported him and helped in job search, he then found a new one and seemed happy to start. He was then off for six weeks. In this time after Christmas I noticed he was a bit off and for one week didn't want to be intimate with me (a marked change from the nine months previous where it would average 4/5 times a week at least). He then got very drunk one night and was horribly abusive, nearly killed us both dragging us under a tube platform, screaming at me when I was desperately trying to get us home safely, police offered to take him for the night so I could get home but refused as I couldn't do that to him. Police handed me his phone as he was going to drop it and when I got home his phone flashed up with a message from friend asking if he got home okay as he was so drunk. I opened the phone and found messages to his teenage years ex about a sexual dream he'd had the night before about her, messages to a 45 year old blonde woman asking if her response to his proposition was no, and someone down as an auntie who clearly was not an aunt and was actually a 50 year old model he had found on instagram and messaged and exchanged numbers with. Messages saying he'd missed chatting to her that week and asking if she could be his milf and he could be her toy boy. These messages were all sent that night whilst he was messaging me saying he loved me and was desperate for me to come out and meet him.

I stupidly stupidly took him back, he said he was a mess and worried about new job and had done this before and couldn't believe what he risked losing and had just gone mad. Promised he would build my trust and never do anything to hurt me again.

Gradually he seemed to begin to resent the fact that I'd ask the odd question about these women and if any had got back in touch, or for him to reassure me that nothing was going on. Admittedly any time his mood changed towards me I worried he was doubting us and talking to other women again. But overall, we have been happy and made plans for the future, booked a Christmas holiday and been on holiday with his family with more family trips booked later in the year. We celebrated our anniversary with a weekend away and it was wonderful and we agreed how happy we were and how we both felt we'd met the person we wanted to spend the rest of our lives with.

Three weeks ago he shut off. Complains of constant tiredness, doesn't want to go anywhere or do anything, bad moods and foul temper, picking on me and everything I do, causing huge arguments and I've been worn down by it all and have felt miserable. Begged him to tell me what is wrong as such a change made me worry he was depressed or about to have a breakdown, he just said he felt unhappy in himself and stressed recently. I have tried everything, asked to spend quality time and reconnect, cooked romantic dinners and given him some space as well. Any effort I have made has not been appreciated, he finds fault or says he's too tired to do anything. Rejects my advances sexually and made me cry more than I can count because it hurts so much. He says he has put on weight and I have too (I hadn't realised and am still a tall size 6-8) and doesn't feel sexy at the moment.

Things came to a head yesterday when I'd had enough of being treated nastily and I was so unhappy, somehow he turned it round on me and told me I was crazy and irrational and too emotional, he is logical and logically we are not going to end up together. It's like he's closed off all feelings for me. Says he needs space and isn't sure what he wants, I deserve better, he doesn't want to hurt me again, he's never been alone and independent and needs to find out who he is, but maybe if he gets some space (can't say if that means a week or a month or six months) he might want to be with me but doesn't know right now. I asked him to just be honest but he is adamant he doesn't know. I pointed out he's repeating history and I don't believe for one second if he moves out for six months there is any chance he'll end up back with me, offered to support him with his issues and maybe organise some counselling for him but he laughed at that idea.

So here's my dilemma, anyone I have spoken to thinks he has someone else or someone in the wings, in which case he is trying to keep me sweet whilst he finds somewhere to live/can get money together for somewhere as he has paid low rent with me and will struggle to pay normal London rent/is sure she wants him too, in which case I need to toughen up and tell him to get out of my home ASAP and not be falsely led on and taken advantage of (they feel quite strongly about this as they know I see the good in people and can be a doormat)

I worry he is actually a kind person deep down who has some demons and bad role models (his father is a serial cheat and ironically he detests that side to his father), and is cracking under the stress of London and a high pressure job environment and needs support. In which case I would want to be kind and a friend to him and hope if he sorts himself out that he may come back to me when he's ready.

From what I've said (so so sorry for how long it all is) : does he have someone else? Is he lying to me? Am I a doormat? Tough love or loving love? I feel such a mess, I never let myself believe I'd have a family and kids and real partner until I met him and let myself believe I had a chance at all that and now feel like I may be back to square one but with even more hurt and damage.

Thanks

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DontstepontheMomeRaths · 17/06/2018 08:33

I'm so sorry. It's so very hard.

He may start by being abusive in texts or calls but when that doesn't work he may switch to promising to do better. Please don't fall for it. Stay strong.

There are far far better things ahead of you, than any you leave behind.

Azzizam · 17/06/2018 09:31

I could have cried reading this OP. I'm 63 and had a very similar upbringing to you. I'm still battling the issue of co-dependency plus dealing with Asperger Syndrome. I am a sitting duck for all the losers and abusers.

You are so young. You have time and I sincerely wish you the best. There is so much more help out there now so take it. Flowers Feeling much the same as you this morning.

Lillylollylandy · 17/06/2018 09:35

He is a twat. Run as fast as you can. I promise you there is someone FAR better out there for you.

AdaArdor · 17/06/2018 10:42

God he sounds like a grade A cunt but at least you've discovered it now and not after marriage and kids!

Another book you might like to check out is "Codependent no more" by Melody Beattie. Having grown up with an alcoholic father and what you said about wanting to "be kind and help people", I wonder if it might be worth exploring that side of things and help you realise you can't help anyone if they don't want it, and you certainly don't need to put up with abuse because they're troubled. Think aboutyour childhood, then think of his excuse of being stressed at work for almost throwing you on the tube tracks (!!!!!!) and messaging multiple women behind your back?? And you wanted to help him through that.... Please read a bit about codependency, I think a lot will resonate with you.

Good luck and well done for getting rid. Don't be sucked back in. Stay strong, find your worth, and find someone one day who will truly know your value and respect it.

trojanpony · 17/06/2018 10:56

You have done absolutely the right thing

At some point in the week please do change the locks - the barrell on the main Yale lock is very easy (there are YouTube videos it takes half an hour max and costs a ten pounds or so) the fact remains the train tracks episode is truly alarming and your response does suggest poor boundaries - and please do look at the freedom programme.

Also you are 24 you have your whole life ahead of you there is so much that is still yet to come!Flowers

trojanpony · 17/06/2018 10:58

Also block the fucker on phone what’s app and all social media and tell him you want no further contact.

He may go quietly he may not. But no contact is the quickest way to heal after something like this

springydaff · 17/06/2018 11:35
Flowers

Oh poor you. He seduced you at the start - take a look at love bombing.

Tis why you feel so bereft now it's over. Can you rearrange the flat, change bedding/curtains, make it look like a new place?

Let the police know please. 101. The chances are high that he'll do similar to someone else and a file needs to be held on him. I dread to think what he may get up to in future - God forbid.

You will get over this. You have been damaged by your past and you'll have work to do to undo those messages you imbibed as a child/young adult. Re codependency (Melanie Beattie, CoDA) and the wonderful Lundy Bancroft.

You're getting the chance to change the script when you are young. As painful as it is now you are blessed to be doing this so young.

Well done, you're doing so well, making way for gorgeous people who deserve you Flowers

StripeyDeckchair · 17/06/2018 12:00

End it and he must leave now.
He's using you and will screw up your life if you give he the opportunity

Nothingsundercontrol · 17/06/2018 14:19

I will definitely be reading all of the books recommended.

He's left the flat now and gone home to his mums. Said he'd rather have had time to find somewhere rather than go home and have to commute and that HE is really hurting.

The only thing he asked was for was his log in details to our joint savings account as he wanted his half (money put away for planned holidays and a future house deposit), and it was very nice to inform him I had already taken my half and to crack on (mumsnet tip I'd seen before to get hold of all my money ASAP).

He's making it all easier for me by playing the victim.

Worried about the flat and if he's taken anything but it's just stuff and I'd taken big value items like laptop with me.

And despite the tears and upset I am feeling I can finally see and say - HE IS A CUNT

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Notamorningperson84 · 17/06/2018 14:36

Well done on getting rid of him, please follow the advice on changing the locks. Do not trust this fucker to be resonable when he realises you aren't taking him back.

Also make sure the joint account is closed so he can't run up an overdraft.

You're going to feel really shitty for a while but keep reminding yourself HE IS A CUNT.

You sound lovely btw.

dundermiflin · 17/06/2018 14:39

Well done op. Good job getting your money. He's a prize twat and you're going places.

Block his number. Redecorate your flat and spend lots of time with friends. You've got this Thanks

springydaff · 17/06/2018 16:22

Oops! It's Melody Beattie for codependence -

I was confusing the name with Melanie Tonia Evans who specialises in healing from narcissistic abuse. Take a look op.

Bravo! Bravo! Flowers

Thingsdogetbetter · 17/06/2018 16:47

Don't forget to change the locks, even if he left his key. Copies are easy to make.

smackbangwhollop · 17/06/2018 17:48

He's playing you and he knows how to do it. he needs to be gone ASAP. How much more of your life do you want to waste on this selfish excuse for a man. Maybe he will beg, plead, promise, all empty of course but you may be a sucker and fall for his false promises. You serve a purpose for him and that's it. This is not love. This is not respect. This is using you. You know this don't you. You deserve better and there is better out there. But you can't get better if you're dragging around a deadweight.

AnyFucker · 17/06/2018 18:18

Good for you Flowers

Turkkadin · 17/06/2018 23:55

This is the start of the rest of your life. He didn't deserve you. There are so many men who find kind, decent women who literally take them into their hearts and homes and receive abuse and emotional torture in return. Don't ever waste your tears and life on someone who wouldn't do the same for you.

Nothingsundercontrol · 18/06/2018 08:47

Locks being changed tonight. Flat was left untidy but fine (couldn't have done his dishes or taken the bin out, says a lot about him and his mum....)

Not heard anything from him, he has removed our loved up photos from his social media already. I think he is trying to hurt me but I had a good night at my friends last night and she has said I can stay with her as long as I need to as she gets scared of burglars anyway! And I'm taking some enjoyment at his 5am start and £45 train fares.

I have had wonderful support from my family and friends who are all rallying round and are so angry at what he has done. I can't be doing too much wrong to have good people around me who care - and all of you on here. I'll never forget it.

Got my big girl pants on for work today - hoping I can channel my hurt into my work and gym and friends this week

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springydaff · 18/06/2018 09:54

Oh well done, well done, well done! Flowers 🎆🌟

bibliomania · 18/06/2018 09:59

I worry he is actually a kind person deep down who has some demons and bad role models

Never, ever fall for this. This is a trap that will keep you make excuses for someone who will exploit you to the hilt.

A kind person acts kindly.

The fact that someone has the potential to be kind under strictly limited circumstances does not make them a kind person.

bibliomania · 18/06/2018 10:00

Oops, didn't see update. Congratulations OP, that is impressive!

Queenofthedrivensnow · 18/06/2018 10:10

Get op just rtft wow well done booting him out that was awesome!

Along with the self help please make some self investment - buy some clothes/rearrange the flat/whatever perks you up you get the idea. You are worth it x

Mousefunky · 18/06/2018 10:30

When people tell you who they are, listen. Too many people ignore it and try to focus on the times the person is good to them rather than the times they abuse or cheat. He is a twat and PP’s are right, you are young and just don’t need to deal with this shit. Get rid.

Nothingsundercontrol · 18/06/2018 22:51

Thank you all so much. I'm terrified of being left alone with my thoughts, and terrified I'll be weak and try to get in touch with him. But I'm making sure that for the time being whilst I pick myself up I'm around people and won't do that. I feel like I've got such a huge mountain to climb before I get back to normality and will enjoy my independence and my flat again, at the moment it's very scary which is out of character for me. He's really messed with my head and confidence and I'm fighting every second to not crumble.

Had a little cry at work in the toilets but got through the day. Still in tears several times this evening but crying a little less hard and for a shorter amount of time than I was two days ago. Going to look after myself and I've booked a holiday to visit my good friend and sit on the beach with a few cocktails next weekend. (NB whilst dad has issues with alcohol I never have - just in case anyone is concerned)

@Queenofthedrivensnow picked my "treat" and going to get my ears pierced next weekend, always wanted to get them done but never took the time or effort to!

Looking forward to brighter times, I know they're coming even if they seem far away now

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eightfacesofthemoon · 18/06/2018 22:55

You will be fine. You are a great person. lots of people come on here and ignore advice but you've been brilliant and I have NO doubt you will have a happy life (as long as you have boundaries and think of yourself and your needs)
x

Queenofthedrivensnow · 18/06/2018 23:05

@Nothingsundercontrol I'm so glad to read your update. You're doing really well. Having a bloody good laugh with someone who knows you well really works wonders in times like this x

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