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Help - is there any other reason? Possible hook ups with men

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futurefallingapart · 11/06/2018 14:19

Name changed, occasional poster, regular reader. Sorry if this is long and incoherent (also typing fast as don't have long so apologies for any typos)

Background for context

LTR not married
OH Bi sexual - knew from start - very honest about past - fine. Explained as just a sexual thing, previous relationships all been with women.
2 children - 1 primary school 1 pre school
Own house together
Relationship - apart from normal ups and downs, lovely lifestyle, great friends and family, very social together, financially secure (well apart from the £200k savings he has in his sole savings account) lots of holiday etc
1 occasion of infidelity on his part early in the relationship, not affair just one off, split for a while, he had counselling, decided to get back together as honestly very happy, he did all the right things, complete access to phone, email etc etc
We live around 1hr from where his family and business are

Anyway came home earlier than planned this morning, as I walked in to bedroom OH had jumped up and was making the bed (this was around 9am - own business no set hours). Rolled my eyes and thought he was either 1. Relieving himself or 2. Being lazy and felt bad.

Anyway his phone had fallen on the floor, he didn't see I'd spotted this and he got straight in shower.

I looked.

Last thing he'd done was been on a call to someone but it had been deleted. (Swiped up and could see call log but when I actually went in there, no calls).

So I checked his phone bill. Not done this for years. I don't care if that means I 'snooped'.

Couldn't get the call/calls from today but over the last 6 months (all I managed to download before he was out of shower) there was a few numbers that looked odd - only called at certain days, short calls etc not every day but regular enough. Just had a feeling.

Managed to locate one owner through Facebook.

Single gay man, 20 years older than us, lives and owns a Business in OH home/business town. Has a fab guys account where he advertises a 'glory hole' 3 days a week.

There is NO reason why my OH would be calling this guy. Not remotely work related, not an old friend, not someone his family knows etc

He's calling him for hook ups isn't he? It would be completely plausible for him to visit that area as his business is located there, as are his family.

I feel sick and I don't know what to do. He adores our children and swore he would never do this again. I made it very clear that there would be no future chances. He is very against at what he calls being a 'part time Dad' and would hate to not live with the children. We socialise together, sex life has lows and high (as with small children) but it always good, experimental, passionate.

We've been taking about getting married next year and having another baby. We are planning major expensive work to our house

I'm trying to think of excuses. Maybe he's an old friend I don't know about, maybe this, maybe that. There isn't though is there? It's black and white.

Not only fucking up our lives together it would be awful if we separated, Our families are very close, his business and my job are linked, we share all the same friends. Why has he done this???????

I feel sick, I can't eat, I honestly don't know what to do? Do I call him out now? Do I wait and find out some more info? Do I bury my head in the sand and get myself financially secure. (I work and with his maintenance and benefits I could afford to stay in the house, I would just like some money behind me. As stated 'our' savings are in his account)

Help please I have no one to talk to this in real life. I don't know what to do, I'm gutted.

OP posts:
futurefallingapart · 12/06/2018 14:59

Apologies I’ve been with my Mum. She’s gone batshit. I’ve told her to calm down and just support me and the way I want to do it. She’s coming here Friday to help me bag up his stuff.

I can’t wait longer I’m really sorry I just can’t. I’m picking up the phone every 5 minutes to call him.

I’m so angry. To who mentioned the detective that would be a complete waste of my money. I don’t need any further proof. He can lie til the cows come home for all I care

Re financials. I can’t find any P60 and his payslips are now password protected due to fucking GDPR so I can’t access those. I have bank statements which show £900 salary and £5k dividends. I also have his tax return for the last financial year which shows bonuses. Would that be ok?

Sorry if I haven’t answere all questions my head is a mess

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Pinktails · 12/06/2018 15:03

Try Rights of Women for some free interim legal advice op:
rightsofwomen.org.uk

futurefallingapart · 12/06/2018 15:03

Thank you x

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futurefallingapart · 12/06/2018 15:05

What about fuel allowance? He gets £500pcm

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sparklepops123 · 12/06/2018 15:08

I'd be the same I wouldn't be able to play it cool. Least you've got your mums support now

Alfiemoon1 · 12/06/2018 15:18

Pleased that u have your mums support you are doing so well

freefallingthruthisshit · 12/06/2018 15:25

I'm so sorry to have read this - send you hugs. Good luck xxx

BaeBae · 12/06/2018 15:44

So sorry Op, this is just the worst.
I would also set up a fake profile on Fabguys (is this similar to Fab Swingers?!) and find him on there and take screenshots to aid your case.

ReginaOcarina · 12/06/2018 15:44

I'm so sorry you are going through this but so glad you've got your mums support. I have no helpful advice but sending you lots of strength for you and your dc. Flowers

kimball · 12/06/2018 15:45

Agree with everything @Failingat40 said. Please check legal implications though. Best of luck. This is the stuff of nightmares.

MissBax · 12/06/2018 15:45

Gosh I've just RTFT - I'm shocked! I think you're handling things so well though, your children have a wonderful mum!
There was just two things I wanted to advise you to check - I don't think you can receive benefits if you have a mortgage (i could well be wrong though so just double check), and also - do you have any proof of him saying that £200,000 is for both of you? A text, or email or anything where he makes reference to it being for both of you? Or could you get him to confirm it in a text without realising? If so you might have an entitlement case!
Wishing you all the best of luck though, OP! Stay strong Flowers

Huskylover1 · 12/06/2018 15:46

I presume the tax return would be okay. Very important that you have something that shows his true annual salary including bonuses, otherwise he could (and most likely would), give the CMS pay slips from non-bonus months.

Please open a case with CMS, even if he says that he will pay you the right amount directly. Because, claims can only be backdated to the date you open the case. My Ex paid maintenance fine until he got a new GF (who did not get maintenance for her kids), and then he started to be a dick and miss payments. I opened a case with CMS in 2012, which got him paying again. Found out in 2014, that he had not declared a few pay rises, but could only pursue him from 2012 onwards.

It's only £20 to open a case, and could prove to be vital if he becomes a dickhead a few years in.

Huskylover1 · 12/06/2018 15:49

Well, he's a dickhead now, but you know what I mean!

Mountainsoutofmolehills · 12/06/2018 15:50

You get everything now. You get a dicorce lawyer, your account details and you get a private investigator, so that when you file for divorce you get the cash etc. Listen. He wanted to conform and you were great, and a great wife and mum... but he kept the saving in his account whilst you reared his kids..... you had a family together, but deep down he is gay. He has had sex with men for years and he has just been found out. He is clever at tracking. You get cleverer. Get all information.

futurefallingapart · 12/06/2018 15:51

Flowers all

baebae yes it’s just a gay version. I have done, on both sites, but unfortunately I can’t find anything concrete. About 3 profiles that are possibly his but nothing definite. Also tried the forgot password like for both his email accounts while he was showering this morning but nothing. So he must have another email.

Found old emails from years ago for other similar and dodgy sites. Logged in but no recent activity since we’ve been together. Seems like this is deep rooted and something he’s been trying to keep in the closet for years using me and our children as a guise.

Lots of porn cookies on his laptop on further inspection!

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kimball · 12/06/2018 15:53

Could you take 100,000 from his account and leverage this against his 50% of the house equity? I think you said it's 150,000 right? From the sound of things the house means more to you than the lump sum.

He signs over his share of the house and you return the 100K. He would still come out ahead, but for me it would sting less than him keeping the whole 200K and still owning 50% of the house.

Not sure how best to execute this. And yes, timing and his family's support will be crucial.

Mountainsoutofmolehills · 12/06/2018 15:57

go to the doctor.. you could have an STD with all this glory hole who knows what no strings sex....

BaeBae was right: set up a fake account and chat to him..... arh, you should have played your cards to your chest and caught that man red handed.......

Stop talking the words fair here. Some poster said it, like this is 2 people who amicably have come to the end of the road. You need to get this together. You have kids an a life. He LIED to you. He used your family money to pay for sex. He i a confused, selfish man who creeps around in secret leading a double life. The man you loved, never existed. So don't cry, he is dead, if you have to , cry for yourself, for you are now going to rise like a phoenix from the ashes.

Juells · 12/06/2018 15:59

I really wouldn't touch that savings account, it could cost you a lot more in the finish. Get a really good lawyer, don't do anything financial until you've found one and had advice.

BaeBae · 12/06/2018 16:05

futurefallingapart take pics of everything you find including the cookies with dates etc. If I were you I would go one stage further and message the people you think are him on Fabguys and the other site. Just ensure you change your location and you might need to add some fake photos to your profile. If it's anything like Fab Swingers (which I went on to check if someone I was dating was on there or not) it would not be difficult. Awful, painful and hurtful but might be worth a shot. You already have proof however so not entirely necessary!

heateallthebuns · 12/06/2018 16:09

Could you get a solicitors appointment sooner in another town? I think you really need to see a solicitor before you confront him.

BaeBae · 12/06/2018 16:11

Also I wonder how his work would feel knowing he's spending part of his fuel allowance on hook-up's?! Probably best he keeps his job however if you want maintenance! Something he might want to consider and you might want to mention when you confront him. Be strong it will be ok.

Huskylover1 · 12/06/2018 16:13

I'd be tempted to set up a fake profile, and message the 3 people that you think could be him. Start to swap photo's and you'll soon see if one of them is him. Even if he doesn't send pics with his face in, you'll recognise his body and the background.

futurefallingapart · 12/06/2018 16:17

Got photos of everything

It’s his own business so unfortunately that won’t work Grin

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BaeBae · 12/06/2018 16:22

futurefallingapart make sure you email all the evidence to yourself and then save to somewhere he can't access. He may try to access your phone/emails etc and delete them. Put everything on a memory stick and hide it!

sadie9 · 12/06/2018 16:25

Sorry to hear this OP. Would he have condoms hidden in his car, that's the likely place for him to hide them.