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Ending it after 30 years - he says he's done nothing wrong so he wants house

87 replies

ManyElephants · 15/05/2018 13:10

Named changed. I hope. H and have been married 30 years in October our DCs are 15 and 17. Their lives have been blighted by his selfishness and aggression. He thinks he's a great dad. Both have ended up with MH/anxiety issues; (he dislikes youngest child who looks like me). I have no doubt at all that this is my fault for staying with him, I had an abusive childhood as a result I find it hard to make decisions so stayed with him - initially I was worried he'd get access to the kids and then they'd be at risk when with him. TBH I am still worried but at least they are older now.

So my problem is when I tell him, he will go apeshit. He is very devious and so if angry I suspect he will do something to himself, me or the dog if I go out (I think the kids would be last on his hitlist but I am not sure). He has no job, retired on a small pension so is reliant on my income. We have a fairly large mortgage bearing in mind our ages, on interest only - runs out in 8 years so the house will have to be sold then anyway. Ideally I'd like him to leave us in the house till DCs are older then sell up close to the end of the 8 years.

He constantly tells me I have nothing to complain about, that I am cruel to him (usually for not doing his washing, cooking etc) and that he has no idea what he has ever done wrong. If I give him an example, he'll say, well that was your fault ... or .... "you do worse than that all the time". Or the best one, "prove it - c'mon, where's your proof? What was the time and date I did that? Where are the witnesses?" If I said I wanted to split up he'd say no one is stopping you leaving. Its all about his rights and entitlements.

My younger DC has had to have counselling and the counsellor has told me in no uncertain terms that we need to split up because his behaviour is causing DC's issues, but if I told my husband that, he'd say the counsellor is lying, "because you have lied to her about me".

He is 60+ I am mid 50s, we have made a terrible mess of our lives - I reckon its going to be a nightmare getting out. I am worried that if we split up now what happens will be far worse than anything the kids have witnessed so far. Oh and so as not to drip feed, he's the sort of bloke everyone loves, he's such a nice man - he's also physically very small compared to me so that add to the idea he likes to perpetuate that I am a bully. Neither of us have any family so he has no where to go and he only has his small pension so cannot afford a private rental. He is making a half hearted attempt to get a job - if he did he could afford a 1 bed flat but we have a big house, he's not going to suddenly have an epiphany and do the decent thing.

I know similar things have been discussed on here before but I just cannot imagine how to manage the situation once I tell him I want out.

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sofato5miles · 15/05/2018 13:13

You are scared of him. I shudder at your term hit list, how awful for you. Perhaps speak to women's aid for practical advice.

You are allowed to leave.

gamerchick · 15/05/2018 13:14

I think selling the house would be the first step if you’ll end up having to sell it anyway.

Maybe you should get some legal advice before doing anything but you need to get your kids out of that sooner rather then later to try repair some of the damage that’s happened to them.

PaulDacreRimsGeese · 15/05/2018 13:20

His affording a 1 bed flat or not isn't your problem.

Do you have enough money to rent somewhere with the DC if you were to leave? You wouldn't be giving up on the equity in the home permanently, though there'd likely be a delay in your ability to access it.

Perfectway · 15/05/2018 13:21

If you sell the house he will have enough money to move on. You need legal advice ASAP.

mummmy2017 · 15/05/2018 13:26

I would ask him to sell the house...
Also start looking for somewhere to rent... and file for divorce... call him on it all and just get on with it... your children need you to do this for them.

ManyElephants · 15/05/2018 13:26

Thanks for replies. He has never been physically violent, and when you look at us together we seem so comical no one would believe I was scared of him. I don't think I will be able to prove any abusive behaviour - he keeps telling me I have abused him and ruined his life!

If we were to sell house now, we'd both end up with a small amount of capital but not enough to buy again, we'd have to rent separately. This as a "home", a safe base, is very important to the DCs and we have just had part of the house including their bedrooms and bathroom renovated - they waited all their lives to have a decent bedroom each and now they finally have it, if we leave then I'll be taking that away from them - and we'd all have to live in the house together whilst the sale was going through - can you imagine what that would be like Sad - but then what is the alternative? I can't get him out unless he has somewhere to go, and I can't force him out if I can't prove abuse - you only have to look at all the terrible stories on here to know that.

I'm not doing that thing where I ask for help and then knock back all the suggestions, I am just writing it down to help me work through it. Would any man willingly leave his nice house to live in a flat when in his mind, rightly or wrongly, he was the "innocent" party?

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AndTheBandPlayedOn · 15/05/2018 13:31

Imho, the emotional damage already done and what might occur from leaving the building called home is far far and away much worse than the dc having to give up a cool bedroom. You can give them a loving home without that bastard under the same roof. They would probably kip on a sofa for a chance at that.

ManyElephants · 15/05/2018 13:32

Have any of you been through this sort of thing where you knew that on the day you told him and from then on, you were at risk, but that no one would believe you?

I can't afford to rent on my own but the "interest only" payments we are making on the mortgage are low so I can cover them alone, if we can get to stay in the house and he leaves.

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ManyElephants · 15/05/2018 13:33

BandPlayedOn you are right of course.

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mummmy2017 · 15/05/2018 13:34

It seems how ever you go about this he will be unhappy... it does sound as if your life won't change but his will, and this could be why he is so annoyed....
I still think you should file for the divorce and think about raising his share of the profits so you could buy him out.... do you have a pension you could use to raise funds?

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 15/05/2018 13:34

That didn’t read right! Staying with the insult of that man will prevent any recovery from the emotional damage. The bedrooms are immaterial, a superficial nice thing in a sea of dysfunction. Move, not just for your dc’s mental health, but for yours as well. Counseling for you too.

StormTreader · 15/05/2018 13:35

It cant be him that leaves - if you're reliant on your income, he would never be able to pay the mortgage.

mummmy2017 · 15/05/2018 13:36

Also sorry this sound mercenary but if either of you have any inheritance due it will be shared right now... after divorce it will be all that one person's... maybe he is due some and you could point this out.

AmazingPostVoices · 15/05/2018 13:36

Would the children prefer to stay in the nice house with their abisive Dad or live in a rented flat away from him?

ManyElephants · 15/05/2018 13:37

mummy - you are right; I could draw on my pension; it wouldn't be enough but it would be a start - that's an interesting idea. I could give him a lump sum as an "interim" payment- meaning he could walk away with cash to live on and rent a better place, whilst he looks for a job. It might diffuse the situation a bit?

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endofagain · 15/05/2018 13:40

How were you going to manage wrt selling the house to pay off the lump sum? Given that you are going to have to do that in a few years anyway, there must be a way to bring that forward.
I agree that you need to talk to Womens Aid then a solicitor asap. They can probably recommend someone.

ManyElephants · 15/05/2018 13:40

Amazing - Would the children prefer to stay in the nice house with their abisive Dad or live in a rented flat away from him? - If I told you that they'd like to keep their nice house, what would you think? Would you think maybe things aren't as bad as I have described, or that they are inured to it (up to a point)?

Oldest DC said to me a few weeks ago there is no point now, its too late, meaning that had we split up earlier in their lives it would have been better. Both kids have told me that they could not bear to live in a small flat. Genuine question as to why that is - have I influenced them or is that what kids say anyway as they just want things to be "ok"?

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AndTheBandPlayedOn · 15/05/2018 13:41

Get legal advice. Don’t start giving him money hoping he will fulfill an agreement. He will just take your money to keep you from leaving, knowing you can’t force him to do anything. Use your money for you to leave.

stellarfox · 15/05/2018 13:42

I think your only option is to sell the house as if you jointly own it and he won’t leave then there isn’t a way you can remove him is there? Is there anywhere else you and the children can stay instead? Could you afford to buy him out of the property?

I would tell him when the children aren’t around but there are other people present.

I would spend time making a plan before doing anything

ManyElephants · 15/05/2018 13:43

The one thing that's coming over loud and clear on here is to get legal advice first. Well there's nothing stopping me from doing that, I could give it a go.

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stellarfox · 15/05/2018 13:44

Also check with your mortgage provider if they would allow you to own the house in your name only

mummmy2017 · 15/05/2018 13:48

I was thinking of the cash as being done legally . You can part financially before you divorce....
I would stop doing things for him and treat him like a lodger.. don't pay for anything for him... even start buying meals on a daily basis and cooking for 3 of you... Not him... sounds petty but so long as his life remains the same why should he consider a change.

GummyGoddess · 15/05/2018 13:50

Don't give him money.

What do you think he might do to your dog? Can you move the dog in with someone else for a bit before you tell him?

prh47bridge · 15/05/2018 13:52

I think your only option is to sell the house as if you jointly own it and he won’t leave then there isn’t a way you can remove him is there

Yes there is a way she can remove him and that is why the OP needs proper legal advice. The courts can force him to leave.

The courts may order that the OP and her children can stay in the house until the children are grown up or the mortgage has to be paid, whichever comes first. In that scenario he would not be able to live there and would have to wait for his share of the assets.

InfiniteSheldon · 15/05/2018 13:56

If you're going to end up in rented anyway just do it now. Move out serve divorce papers and never see or speak to him again it will be much easier than you think given that you are the earner. Spend or hide all any savings. Go see a solicitor asap

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