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Who is right?

89 replies

Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 08:28

Background - my husband is self employed in a demanding and sometimes very busy industry (think construction based). He works very long hours and works every day except Christmas and very rare days out. He makes (I think) good money.

I do not work and instead look after our children (all under 7) as with his long and erratic hours, childcare would be more expensive for any job I ended up doing. I do try to make money though and do SOME casual work however and take a small wage from our business for the admin tasks I do.

I moved a long way from family and friends to be with him, and apart from one friend I have no help whatsoever. Because of this we recently got an au pair. She is very good but obviously costs money. She is paid partly from his money and partly from what I earn (which doesn't fully cover her money).

So. Here's the question.

I do a sport which I have done for over 20 years. It's very very important to me, more so because I have been fairly depressed for the last few years with having small babies and no friends.
It costs money but not much (it would average about £50-£100 a month over the year) but I pay the vast majority from my money.

I also train others in this sport and need accreditation. The training brings in NO money after costs, it's purely for my own enjoyment.
My husband constantly criticises my sport and it's been a major sticking point over the years. Everyone who does it is a loser and it's a waste of money etc etc. It would have been easier to just stop but then I'd properly have fuck all going on.

Last week I realised that my accreditation was running out. It's due every 3 years. If I let it lapse then a lot of hard work will have been in vain. It will cost around £500 with travel and a night away to complete it.
I must stress however, that I won't see that £500 again - it's just for enjoyment and won't bring in any money.

I don't have £500 because everything I bring in at the moment goes to pay the au pair. So I'm trying to sell some things to fund it.

Last night I told my husband that I'd managed to raise £200 from selling things. His response was 'where's my half?' This is because one of the things I sold belonged to childred when they were little. It was a fancy car seat. It raised £50.

He thinks this is massively out of order and I was reduced to tears this morning talking about it. He doesn't want the £25, 'it's the principle.' I've pointed out that otherwise I just do not have the money at which point we had digs about 'oh and why is that??' (Because I don't work. He never seems to realise why he makes so much more than me).
He told me that anyone I asked would tell me how unreasonable I'm being.

So am I?

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Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 08:30

Summary - is it ok to sell an old car seat to fund my hobby because I've got no money?

Crucial point - if he needed £500 he would have access to £500. But that's apparently irrelevant and not true (except it is) and I 'just don't understand).

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Joey7t8 · 27/04/2018 08:32

No.

Joey7t8 · 27/04/2018 08:33

^My previous answer was in response to your initial post by the way.

DianaT1969 · 27/04/2018 08:35

It sounds as if your husband resents you not working. Are you able to get full time work now that you have an au pair? I suspect you'll love having your own money and independence again.
The car seat and sport cost are a small thing in a bigger picture. My advice would be to look at the bigger picture.

JollyGiraffe · 27/04/2018 08:36

He is being a twat

TERFragetteCity · 27/04/2018 08:36

You don't have access to family money and no idea how much he earns?

MarthasGinYard · 27/04/2018 08:38

Take back your earning potential.

I couldn't stand having to sell bits and scrimp around and justify my hobby.

Ugh fuck that

Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 08:40

Oh no I know how much he earns. And I get £500 a month, but obviously most of this is spent on children and bills.

The thing is that I think he earns a good wage, he doesn't.

We live mortgage free and never worry about bills. Last month he needed a new machine for the business so he bought one. It was £17k but will make the money back. My £500 won't.

Just for a bit of context. He is generally a very nice person but has always been very unpleasant about my sport which has always upset me.

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RoderickRules · 27/04/2018 08:41

I agree, look for a job.
Childcare responsibilities 50/50
Contributions weighted according to earnings

Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 08:42

Oh and last month in the interests of transparency he also bought something costing £1000 for the casual weekend work that I do, but all that I earn from that needs to go back into the pot, it won't be 'mine.' But it was v kind of him.

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hellsbellsmelons · 27/04/2018 08:43

Why don't you know about family money and what he earns?
They are big red flags flying right there!
Please google 'financial abuse' and see if this is happening to you.
You should have as much access to family money as he does.
How many children do you have?
Have you looked at life without this man in it?
You need to find out how much he earns.
See what benefits you would be entitled to and how much maintenance he would need to pay you.
This sounds like a hellish life right now.
You do NOT have to keep living it!

piethagoras · 27/04/2018 08:43

Stick his car on eBay, with his mobile number. That will give him a wake up call.

You're married, everything is jointly owned.

MarthasGinYard · 27/04/2018 08:43

'And I get £500 a month, but obviously most of this is spent on children and bills.'

Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 08:43

He would never take 50% responsibility for childcare, ever. He works too much. He barely sees them most days.

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MarthasGinYard · 27/04/2018 08:44

'We live mortgage free and never worry about bills.'

Eh?

I'm unclear then what bills you pay out of your 500

slippynips · 27/04/2018 08:46

Why do you have an au pair if you don’t work? Or why don’t you work if you have an au pair? You can’t have it all ways - I can kind of see your OHs objections. BUT I also think it is really weird that you do not fully understand your families finances. Is the £500 per month JUST for bills/food shopping or do you have some left over?

Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 08:46

I pay things like phone and Internet, mobile phone, contact lenses, all children's clothes/uniform/school trips/shoes, about 30% of food shopping, anything needed for the house etc

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MarthasGinYard · 27/04/2018 08:47

Bloody hell why??

slippynips · 27/04/2018 08:48

Ok so surely that doesn’t come to £500 every month?? They don’t need uniform every month. Are you perhaps not spending very carefully? Could you make some savings to help fund your hobby? £500 is a lot of money for bits and bobs. I don’t know how many children you have but we only spend £300 per month on all of our food shopping/toiletries etc so I suspect you may be over spending

TERFragetteCity · 27/04/2018 08:49

And I get £500 a month, but obviously most of this is spent on children and bills.

How much does that work out per hour of the work you do around the house? If you did just 8 hours house and children work, 7 days a week, that works out at £2.20 per hour.

To be honest this sounds like he thinks you are his housekeeper, not his equal.

Go get a job and then he will see what a nightmare it will be trying to sort out his half of the childcare.

Shen0102 · 27/04/2018 08:50

there's an au pair involved and you don't work ? What help do you need from the au pair ?

Missingstreetlife · 27/04/2018 08:51

He is financially abusing you, you should have equal spending money or joint savings.

Bluntness100 · 27/04/2018 08:51

I don't understand really either to be honest.

If you now have an au pair, can you not get a job?

Also why if you're mortgage free and he's earning a good salary is your money all going on the kids. It doesn't make any sense really.

But as you've an au pair, I'd get a job.

Justanotherzombie · 27/04/2018 08:53

If I were you I’d be feeling extremely trapped and yes, financially abused. I doubt talking to him will fix this. So your only options are to leave him (but he’s self employed so don’t expect any child maintenance) or to go back to work and get earning again. He’s at least 50%responsible for all household costs including childcare, food, bills, activities and incidentals.

He’s a bastard by the way for belittling your hobby and starving you of money to Perdue it.

northbynorthwesty · 27/04/2018 08:53

As other Posters said could you work? This seems to be the crux of the matter

Does he spend any more on hobbies / smoking etc ?