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Who is right?

89 replies

Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 08:28

Background - my husband is self employed in a demanding and sometimes very busy industry (think construction based). He works very long hours and works every day except Christmas and very rare days out. He makes (I think) good money.

I do not work and instead look after our children (all under 7) as with his long and erratic hours, childcare would be more expensive for any job I ended up doing. I do try to make money though and do SOME casual work however and take a small wage from our business for the admin tasks I do.

I moved a long way from family and friends to be with him, and apart from one friend I have no help whatsoever. Because of this we recently got an au pair. She is very good but obviously costs money. She is paid partly from his money and partly from what I earn (which doesn't fully cover her money).

So. Here's the question.

I do a sport which I have done for over 20 years. It's very very important to me, more so because I have been fairly depressed for the last few years with having small babies and no friends.
It costs money but not much (it would average about £50-£100 a month over the year) but I pay the vast majority from my money.

I also train others in this sport and need accreditation. The training brings in NO money after costs, it's purely for my own enjoyment.
My husband constantly criticises my sport and it's been a major sticking point over the years. Everyone who does it is a loser and it's a waste of money etc etc. It would have been easier to just stop but then I'd properly have fuck all going on.

Last week I realised that my accreditation was running out. It's due every 3 years. If I let it lapse then a lot of hard work will have been in vain. It will cost around £500 with travel and a night away to complete it.
I must stress however, that I won't see that £500 again - it's just for enjoyment and won't bring in any money.

I don't have £500 because everything I bring in at the moment goes to pay the au pair. So I'm trying to sell some things to fund it.

Last night I told my husband that I'd managed to raise £200 from selling things. His response was 'where's my half?' This is because one of the things I sold belonged to childred when they were little. It was a fancy car seat. It raised £50.

He thinks this is massively out of order and I was reduced to tears this morning talking about it. He doesn't want the £25, 'it's the principle.' I've pointed out that otherwise I just do not have the money at which point we had digs about 'oh and why is that??' (Because I don't work. He never seems to realise why he makes so much more than me).
He told me that anyone I asked would tell me how unreasonable I'm being.

So am I?

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misssjw · 27/04/2018 08:54

You are in the right - this sounds like a potentially financially abusive situation. Should you ever split, you are entitled to half of everything. You may not 'Work' for a salary but it sounds like your DH is a bit of a prick and doesn't value the time you put in to raising your children - it is a lot of bloody 'work'. It's also a lot of time whereby you are not accruing a pension or any valuable work experience, so it is definitely costing you too. The car seat thing is petty, he clearly doesn't need £25 - to me it's a very clear message of 'how dare you try and raise money independently'.

Alarm bells are ringing for me, he's clearly enjoying financially controlling you and it sounds like he needs to realise your worth and pool all money as a family unit. If that doesn't happen, I'd seriously be considering looking at seeing a decent solicitor. Life is too short to give up your hobbies because a man disapproves, it's 2018! Be kind to yourself, you're worth more than this.

VanGoghsDog · 27/04/2018 08:59

Seems a slightly daft casual job that needs £1,000 spent to do it, especially if it then doesn't pay enough to cover any childcare.

Anyway, pool all finances, get a job, pay all expenses from joint money, take what money you need for your very cheap hobby.

OverTheHedgeHammy · 27/04/2018 09:01

YANBU at all, he's being a massive bell end.

You absolutely deserve to do this sport.

Ignore those saying £500 is enough for everything and you should have money left over, because why the hell should you? If he earns enough for you to have a nice lifestyle why the hell should you penny pinch??!!

He's being a Scrooge and that is a REALLY unattractive trait.

I suggest you either start becoming more involved in the business and start drawing a larger income for yourself, or take what you are already doing and use it to launch an alternative career, accountancy, book keeping etc, from home. Because this man is NOT looking out for what is best for you.

Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 09:06

Sorry, I've had to be vague about a few things as I don't want it to be identifiable.

But the work issue - I haven't been clear on that sorry. I very often do work with the business. This afternoon for example I'll be doing 3-4 hours as he's away on another job, so the au pair will have the children then.
Tomorrow I'll be doing my weekend work so she'll have them then.
Last month was really busy in the business and we were both doing long hours, 5am starts and late into the night. All facilitated by the au pair.

And then yes, it also means that if I have dr appointment or haircut I can go alone. I also take her on day trips with the children as I can't manage them all alone easily.

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Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 09:07

But if far rather have a husband who works normal hours than an au pair.

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CheeseyToast · 27/04/2018 09:08

It isn't so much about right and wrong as are you guys happy? It sounds as though you feel anxious and disrespected which is no way to spend your life. Are you going to set out your expectations or are you resigned to continuing in this way?

sunshinesupermum · 27/04/2018 09:12

So you work in the family business and get £500 a month?
What do you get for your weekend work?

If you worked elsewhere Mon - Fri would you get more as you have the au pair who could look after the kids while you work?

He is being unreasonable imo.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 27/04/2018 09:12

What do you get out of this relationship now, what is in this for you?.

What do you think your children are learning about relationships and just what are they learning here from the two of you?. Would you want them to have a relationship like this as adults?.

I would also agree with the comments citing the potential for financial abuse; he has all the power and control here in this relationship. No wonder you are feeling as low as you are; you are trapped, coerced and control.

slippynips · 27/04/2018 09:16

Ok so perhaps I haven’t quite understood - you work in his business but are not paid properly for the work you do? If this is the case then you seriously need to sort that out. Ask for a proper wage, or say you will have to look for something else so you can afford to do your hobby. I don’t think that’s unreasonable. Also, still not sure if your OH spends money on hobbies/interests/pub for himself or not - has he got double standards about your hobby?

I don’t get the impression you are looking to leave your OH, in which case you must address these issues with him to avoid resentment

cestlavielife · 27/04/2018 09:18

If he drops dead tomorrow where does that leave you?
If you do where does that leave him ?

Investment in a hobby is investment in your mental health and wellbeing. That is worth a lot.

Butterymuffin · 27/04/2018 09:22

Invoice him £500 for the last month's work you've done in the business and the childcare you've provided while he's been working. Would still be a bargain. He's being ridiculous.

Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 09:25

If I'd known this £500 was coming up for a few months I could have saved for it, but I thought it was around 250 (I've saved 200).

He is into fitness (as is the fashion..!) and has around £5k worth of fancy bikes, and around £1k worth of other fitness gear. I don't begrudge this AT ALL as I think he SHOULD enjoy himself!

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Cat12321 · 27/04/2018 09:35

Get a job, OP. Not working for his business, but working for someone/doing something else.

You need your financial independence x

ForTheLoveOfCrispyCreme · 27/04/2018 09:44

I don't understand why you don't have joint finances? You being at home with the kids, and working on his business. This makes you an equal partner.

If you were to leave him and have 50/50 custody, he soon realise how good he had it.

I know you have the au pair but that allows you to support his business! He should be more grateful to you

Hont1986 · 27/04/2018 09:53

I think a man posting about spending £100/m on his hobby and wanting to sell family property to fund his personal interests would not be getting the same answers.

But that is a separate question from the rest of your finances. You are a SAHM with an au pair, and clearly your husband is getting resentful of what he perceives as you 'not working'. I think you need to formalise your work and become an employee of his business with set hours, etc.

Zaphodsotherhead · 27/04/2018 09:59

I suspect he's 'iffy' about the hobby because it's your independence. And I think, if you start applying for full time work, you might well see him ramping up the unpleasant behaviour.

I wonder if he likes you working for his business because he can keep an eye on you? Ditto having an au pair, because they will know where you are at all times?

Bluntness100 · 27/04/2018 10:15

How many kids do you have? And what ages?

At least one of them must be at school if you say all under seven. Again I don't really understand why you can't get a job and why he can't just sort his admin out himself.

Right now you're at loggerheads over money. It seems he resents you not working, so there is an obvious solution unless there is a drip feed coming?

BatFaceGirl · 27/04/2018 10:30

Sorry, I don't get everyone saying OP should get a job and that her husband resents her being a SAHM. She has two jobs, one in the family business and one self-employed/casual.

It seems to me that the issue is her husband treating all household money (including bits sold on eBay!) as his, rather than family money with both partners knowing what income and outgoing are, and taking joint decisions accordingly.

Are you able to have a wider conversation with him about finances, without focusing on the training fees?

Blaablaablaa · 27/04/2018 10:39

Apart from the finance aspect - which is horrendous by the way - and his lack engagement with his family the issue that tells me more about him as a person is his criticism of your sport which clearly means a lot to you. If you love someone you embrace their interests even if it's not for you ( as long as if doesn't impact too much on family life)
My ex constantly put my hobby down and it almost made me embarrassed to do it ( like you I also taught others )

My now DH is my biggest advocate and supports me and my teaching . Even though he doesn't understand it. That's how it should be

Bluntness100 · 27/04/2018 10:43

Sorry, I don't get everyone saying OP should get a job

If she has a job, an external one, then she wouldn't have to sell crap and she would have money for her hobbies. He can sort his own admin out. She has an au pair and at least one of the kids are at school. Why continue like this, she wants to do the hobby, she needs money, she has the ability and the childcare, so go get one.

Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 10:49

Yes, that's how I feel Blaa. I've said it to him many times but nothing changes.

All those saying I should get a job - I do already work, as well as doing all the household stuff. Our au pair does 20 hours a week which tends to cover my necessary work/child/after school stuff. I know saying 'oh she's got an au pair' must make it sound like I have loads of free time, but I really don't.

I also resent him massively at times as I suspect he had an affair last year. I nearly left him but didn't.

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Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 10:50

I have no other childcare and can't rely on him for any as he frequently leaves at 5/6am and doesn't get in until 8-10pm

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DisgruntledGruntle · 27/04/2018 10:56

I don't think you are being unreasonable. It sounds like the money is there (good lifestyle, bills paid etc), it's just he doesn't want you to have access to it.
Why don't you work out how much it would cost him if you were to divorce and he had to have the children 50% of the time. I'm sure if he saw the figures, including his loss of earnings as he wouldn't be able to farm them out ALL the time, he would happily hand over the £500.
I'd also have a chat with him that you are unhappy with the situation, i.e. him being controlling and belittling your hobby and if he doesn't change, then you will not stick around forever.

ificouldwritealettertome · 27/04/2018 10:56

where's my half!?!?

Where are you all finding these assholes!? Seriously OP my God what a controlling wanker. Show him this post from me:

Dear Twat,

You have a family. Your money is the same. If you can't get your head around that then think of it this way: you owe your wife years of backdated childcare payments.

Sort your life out.

Regards, A Woman With A Much Nicer Bloke

PS. Fuck off

Blaablaablaa · 27/04/2018 11:04

@who it's about respect. He clearly doesn't respect you. He should be proud of you not putting you down ... although I suspect he does that to 'keep you in your place'

Sounds like a pretty miserable existence. I don't often say this but you'd probably be better on your own

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