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Who is right?

89 replies

Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 08:28

Background - my husband is self employed in a demanding and sometimes very busy industry (think construction based). He works very long hours and works every day except Christmas and very rare days out. He makes (I think) good money.

I do not work and instead look after our children (all under 7) as with his long and erratic hours, childcare would be more expensive for any job I ended up doing. I do try to make money though and do SOME casual work however and take a small wage from our business for the admin tasks I do.

I moved a long way from family and friends to be with him, and apart from one friend I have no help whatsoever. Because of this we recently got an au pair. She is very good but obviously costs money. She is paid partly from his money and partly from what I earn (which doesn't fully cover her money).

So. Here's the question.

I do a sport which I have done for over 20 years. It's very very important to me, more so because I have been fairly depressed for the last few years with having small babies and no friends.
It costs money but not much (it would average about £50-£100 a month over the year) but I pay the vast majority from my money.

I also train others in this sport and need accreditation. The training brings in NO money after costs, it's purely for my own enjoyment.
My husband constantly criticises my sport and it's been a major sticking point over the years. Everyone who does it is a loser and it's a waste of money etc etc. It would have been easier to just stop but then I'd properly have fuck all going on.

Last week I realised that my accreditation was running out. It's due every 3 years. If I let it lapse then a lot of hard work will have been in vain. It will cost around £500 with travel and a night away to complete it.
I must stress however, that I won't see that £500 again - it's just for enjoyment and won't bring in any money.

I don't have £500 because everything I bring in at the moment goes to pay the au pair. So I'm trying to sell some things to fund it.

Last night I told my husband that I'd managed to raise £200 from selling things. His response was 'where's my half?' This is because one of the things I sold belonged to childred when they were little. It was a fancy car seat. It raised £50.

He thinks this is massively out of order and I was reduced to tears this morning talking about it. He doesn't want the £25, 'it's the principle.' I've pointed out that otherwise I just do not have the money at which point we had digs about 'oh and why is that??' (Because I don't work. He never seems to realise why he makes so much more than me).
He told me that anyone I asked would tell me how unreasonable I'm being.

So am I?

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Adayindisney67 · 27/04/2018 11:05

Erm you're married...
You look after his children so he can work!
So if he isn't willing to split childcare, why exactly are you not having equal spend at the end of the month.. everything should go into one pot and after bills should be split equally..

Can you not see he is financially abusing you!

Adayindisney67 · 27/04/2018 11:13

Also he sounds like a wanker... What happened with the suspected affair? Wake up OP this man is walking all over you..

Me and my other half split absolutely everything down to the penny and take turns to treat each other..

Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 11:19

With the suspected affair....
He was working away with the girl (and others) for a month. Staying in the same house. I know he's always liked her anyway.

He was really distant while there and a twat when he came back. So I checked his phone (not something I'd usually do!!). There were lots of messages between them from the moment he left the shared accommodation. Like lovesick teenagers. It was embarrassing frankly. Also him telling her she was his best friend and he'd love her forever and his heart was breaking (presumably from having to stay with boring old me) and plans when they'd met up.

He admits that she visited his room and that he went to her house but apparently nothing physical happened

I don't believe him but no proof. I kind of stopped being in love with him after that.

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Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 11:20

They were abroad (totally legit work trip though) and it was a year ago. I can't forget it though.

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Adayindisney67 · 27/04/2018 11:22

You need to leave and get some independence. He is a right nob! And yes you are entitled to half of everything! Please go see a solicitor. I feel for you I really do 😔

Of course he cheated. Have you had an sti test? Plus if he's done it once...

Adayindisney67 · 27/04/2018 11:24

Your problems are alot more deep rooted! He has you like a puppet on a string.

loveyoutothemoon · 27/04/2018 11:25

You're avoiding another posters question about how old your kids are, I'm interested to know too. Obviously a few are at school and are a few receiving free hours at nursery. I really think you should get a job elsewhere and more hours.

Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 11:26

One is in school others not.

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loveyoutothemoon · 27/04/2018 11:26

I meant it as a question-are your kids receiving free hours at nursery?

Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 11:28

No. Nearest nurseries are full and they're not all old enough anyway.

I'm being deliberately vague re ages as I don't want it to be outing. Sorry.

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Storm4star · 27/04/2018 11:34

From all you’ve said, there are bigger issues here than the money. He is being a dick for not giving you the money you need for your hobby. I don’t want to make assumptions about his mindset so am totally theorising, but are you still intimate? (Not something for you to answer, just to think on). I would totally understand if your not, after him having an affair, I wouldn’t blame you at all by the way! But just wondering if he feels he works all these long hours, things aren’t good at home etc and so he’s kinda switched off from you as a family. It seems you don’t really think much of him either (which again may be fully legitimate).

I just think the not giving you the money is a symptom of a bigger problem rather than the problem itself.

EggysMom · 27/04/2018 11:36

I don't understand why your finances and expenses aren't pooled - you mention that much of your income goes on the au-pair. Why can you not both pool your income, share the expenses (including the au-pair) and then split what is left, so that you have even amounts of money to spend on hobbies?

And no, if you've taken the time and effort to sell an unused item, regardless of who funded it years ago, I think you are within your rights to spend that money on your hobby. If left to him, it wouldn't have generated any money, it would still be gathering dust.

LimonViola · 27/04/2018 11:36

My initial response was going to be that it seems he resents you not pulling your weight financially. He is working all of the hours under the sun from what you've said, to provide a good life for you all, and to enable you to work less and be there for the kids more. Unless you would personally prefer to be able to have a full time career, that's a good deal for you! But if he would prefer you to be contributing more financially it's not a good deal for him. If you were both happy with the way things are, fine, but clearly he isn't.

So my advice was going to be to get yourself a proper full time job, in something with some possibility of progression and decent pay in the future. You can afford as a family to pay for childcare and soon, your youngest will be at school too.

But then I read your post about the affair. So let's cut to the chase: why are you still with him? Do you love him? Do you want to be with him? If it weren't for the income he brings in, would you want to be with him?

IsaidMrDarcynotArsey · 27/04/2018 11:37

Sell the bikes give him his half.

Shizzlestix · 27/04/2018 11:39

Is your sport male dominated? Is that why he doesn't like it? Does he think (he has a guilty conscience!) that you'll meet someone else?

Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 11:42

He is working all of the hours under the sun from what you've said, to provide a good life for you all, and to enable you to work less and be there for the kids more

He's not doing it as a favour to me.
He works 24/7 because he's a workaholic and he likes working 24/7. He doesn't have to, and I've told him repeatedly that we'd ALL prefer to have less money and a happier family.

But he likes making money. It's HIS hobby..!

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Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 11:44

It's not jealousy.

Basically, according to his mindset, if something makes money it's worth doing. If not, it's treated with derision and scorn, despite him paying occasional lip service to the 'of course I'm fully supportive' 'it's good for you to have an interest' tropes.

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QuiteLikely5 · 27/04/2018 11:47

Op

You are seriously undervaluing yourself here. You are worth so much more.

He is greedy, mean and resentful.

What is the point in having all this cash if you have no access to it.

£500 pcm is not good enough and you need to demand an increase.

I would see a solicitor. You are entitled to so much more.

You are virtually a single parent anyway!

Demand access to the finances. Make him respect you. Know your worth

QuiteLikely5 · 27/04/2018 11:49

Relationships require: honesty, trust and respect

Judging by what you have said all three are missing. He treats you with contempt for a start.

The foundations of this relationship are missing

Bluntness100 · 27/04/2018 11:56

Ok, it all sounds a bit fucked up if I'm honest. The crux of the matter is probably not money it's how you feel about each other, the money is a symptom of that . You're not in love with him, he may well feel the same about you. You're two parents co habiting, not a married couple.

If he earns a lot of money, I'd simply tell him the au pair becomes full time, he sorts his business shit out and you go get a job and some independence.

Right now this is a shit way to live where you are swabbing over 25 quid from the sale of a second hand car seat. So you need to take control.

Demanding more money from him will result in an argument and a loss of dignity for you. It's not as easy as "know your worth" when the other party resents you. He's clearly not going to say "yeah you're right my bad". So take control of it, get financial independence so you're not selling second hand shit and arguing over twenty quid.

Buckingfrolicks · 27/04/2018 12:09

You, dear OP, are being taken for a fool by your DH

He is out of the house all hours, bringing in good money, pleasing himself with how he spends it. He has an unpaid, committed worker who he does not have to pay a salary, NI, tax or holiday or sick leave pay to. Fuck me that is a good deal. And then... he sees his kids how often? He spends how much time with you? Fuck all is my bet, other than to have a warm wife to shag when the mood takes him, in those few hours spent at home.

You? You are living at his behest and approval, working unpaid, no NI contributions, no sick pay, no holiday pay, no employee protection; or failing being an employee, you have no shares, no dividends, no voting rights. Fuck that.

You look after the well being of all your DCs, squeezing in a hair cut or dentist appointment when you absolutely have to. You doubtless work fucking long hours in the home. For fuck all appreciation.

The au pair is there to facilitate you working on his business. Fuck that.

You have the audacity, the gall, the selfishness, to want a hobby of your own that you are good at and committed to. He not only does not give you the money required but then bitches about 25 quid? Fuck me.

You have every right to absolutely demand a rethink on all this. Never mind the possible affair...

He's a selfish, self centered, lazy, entitled, shit, and feel free to tell him I said so.

PosyFossilsShoes · 27/04/2018 12:36

This sounds quite fucked up, bordering on abusive.

He hasn't understood that the only reason he is able to pursue his hobby of making money (as you describe it) is that you facilitate him doing it. If he had to contribute to the household in terms of childcare or housework he wouldn't be able to.

To then use the huge amount of unpaid support work you do as a reason to belittle you is a Mammoth Bellend Move.

When you say that you're still financially responsible for so much despite his far greater earning capacity - that's a red flag.

Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 14:33

He's not a bad person. When he's here he's great with the kids etc.
I just can't get over a) the affair, and the not knowing what happened, and b) the complete disregard and sneering towards my interests.

I don't know how to go forward from here. I won't be leaving him as I don't believe it would be in the children's best interests.

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Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 14:35

I don't believe he'll ever tell me what happened with the affair. He was incredibly remorseful and full of regrets when I found out, but kept denying it until I showed him the text screenshots.

He vehemently denies anything physical happened.

How will I ever know?

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PeppermintPasty · 27/04/2018 14:48

Gosh, this thread is making me feel a bit sick. Sick for you, I mean OP. You are so blasé about all the different levels of abuse! That's what it is, abuse. It's giving me a suffocating sort of feeling just reading what you are putting up with.

Financial, emotional, bit of gaslighting thrown in, an affair. Ugh, he's horrible.

Have you thought of actually getting your ducks in a row, getting to a lawyer for some advice, seeing where you stand? This is so miserable, you deserve way better.

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