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Who is right?

89 replies

Whoisintheright · 27/04/2018 08:28

Background - my husband is self employed in a demanding and sometimes very busy industry (think construction based). He works very long hours and works every day except Christmas and very rare days out. He makes (I think) good money.

I do not work and instead look after our children (all under 7) as with his long and erratic hours, childcare would be more expensive for any job I ended up doing. I do try to make money though and do SOME casual work however and take a small wage from our business for the admin tasks I do.

I moved a long way from family and friends to be with him, and apart from one friend I have no help whatsoever. Because of this we recently got an au pair. She is very good but obviously costs money. She is paid partly from his money and partly from what I earn (which doesn't fully cover her money).

So. Here's the question.

I do a sport which I have done for over 20 years. It's very very important to me, more so because I have been fairly depressed for the last few years with having small babies and no friends.
It costs money but not much (it would average about £50-£100 a month over the year) but I pay the vast majority from my money.

I also train others in this sport and need accreditation. The training brings in NO money after costs, it's purely for my own enjoyment.
My husband constantly criticises my sport and it's been a major sticking point over the years. Everyone who does it is a loser and it's a waste of money etc etc. It would have been easier to just stop but then I'd properly have fuck all going on.

Last week I realised that my accreditation was running out. It's due every 3 years. If I let it lapse then a lot of hard work will have been in vain. It will cost around £500 with travel and a night away to complete it.
I must stress however, that I won't see that £500 again - it's just for enjoyment and won't bring in any money.

I don't have £500 because everything I bring in at the moment goes to pay the au pair. So I'm trying to sell some things to fund it.

Last night I told my husband that I'd managed to raise £200 from selling things. His response was 'where's my half?' This is because one of the things I sold belonged to childred when they were little. It was a fancy car seat. It raised £50.

He thinks this is massively out of order and I was reduced to tears this morning talking about it. He doesn't want the £25, 'it's the principle.' I've pointed out that otherwise I just do not have the money at which point we had digs about 'oh and why is that??' (Because I don't work. He never seems to realise why he makes so much more than me).
He told me that anyone I asked would tell me how unreasonable I'm being.

So am I?

OP posts:
yetmorecrap · 27/04/2018 14:57

He appears to come from the ‘whats yours is mine’ and ‘what’s mine is mine ‘ school of thought. If he can spend vast amounts on fitness stuff and the like, then he is being tight for the sake of belittling you, it’s not as if he needs £25!!

Dadaist · 27/04/2018 15:02

You are being financially mistreated! He needs to recognise that it’s family money - and if he wants you to earn more money then he’ll have to cover for your work as you cover for his, hour for hour! But in the circumstances it might do you good to get a part time job?

FizzyGreenWater · 27/04/2018 15:07

He's simply not worth staying with.

  • no help
  • not a team
  • belittles
  • financially unfair
  • unfaithful.

the list goes on...

He's not 'great' with the kids - he barely sees them. If you mean that when he happens to see them, he's friendly and interested and chats to them - well, that's really not much is it? Kind of the basics of interaction that any other adult might display.

I'd contact a solicitor and lay out your situation and see what they say. He'd be facing either taking time out to finally do some parenting of his own children or paying maintenance - proper maintenance - which would at last cover some of the costs of what you actually do and costs you incur. You'd get a proper job, use the maintenance to pay childcare, probably stay in the house at least temporarily and not have to deal with this longer term. If you stay, he'll really grind you down once the kids are grown and gone.

MimpiDreams · 27/04/2018 15:07

I'm in a similar situation to you and was having a very similar conversation with my DH earlier today. I want to do a course for pleasure and social contact but have no income. Difference is my DH fully supports me and said he will make sure the funds are available once I find one I like.

cestlavielife · 27/04/2018 15:10

"He is great dad when he is there .."

But he is never there ! Easy to be great when you pop into dc lives for five minutes

pog100 · 27/04/2018 16:32

"it's very kind of him". This betrays just what an awful dynamic about money and power you have developed in this marriage. You are, or should be, a partnership FGS. You need to sort this out or separate, it's not healthy.

Quartz2208 · 27/04/2018 16:35

Yes your dynamic is so unhealthy

You are right by the way you should be able to have this for yourself

FantasticButtocks · 27/04/2018 16:49

When you say you won't be leaving him as it's not in the dc's best interests for you to be apart...how do they benefit from living with an absent father who is really only around on Christmas Day? Who mistreats their mother by having an affair with someone, belittles her hobby, thinks family money is his, and generally doesn't participate in family life, or in his marriage? His belittling of something that is important to you demonstrates a lack of care and a lack of respect for you. His comments about the money from selling an old car seat are small minded and mean. He sounds awful.

Sorry you are in this situation. Questions to ask yourself (not asking you to answer on here, just suggested food for thought) Do you intend to continue like this, or do you have a plan to change things in some way? If you are no longer in love with him, what are the real reasons you are staying with him? How does you two being together benefit your dcs?

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 27/04/2018 16:55

If you broke up the children would see more of him because he'd have to look after them on his days.

auntyflonono · 27/04/2018 17:08

I bet there are a few more things you can sell (and forget to mention to him) to pay for your hobby. Once you have done that start gathering evidence about the finances, keep it secret, look for tax details etc. Some advice from a solicitor would be helpful, well worth the money for a couple of hours. Ask about the house and your entitlement.

Didiusfalco · 27/04/2018 17:09

Oh op he sounds awful, I suspect zaphodsotherhead is right and the sport is something you do that is independent and out of his control and so he doesn’t like it. Plus, because he’s a cheater - and he is - he thinks this outside interest gives you the opportunity to cheat, because cheaters think everyone could behave as badly as they do.

Essentially also sounds like you are working for his business and not getting paid properly. I would start digging in to the finances and thinking about what your exit plan could be.

Dissimilitude · 27/04/2018 17:17

It would drive me absolutely mental if someone tried to dictate what I could or couldn't do with my spare time, especially if the financial amounts involved were relatively minor, and extra especially if the other person felt totally free to spend whatever the fuck they like on themselves!

Chinesecrested · 27/04/2018 17:22

Surely family money is joint money? If he wants half the money you earn from selling things, you should have a joint bank account?

SpacePenguin · 27/04/2018 17:31

He's being extremely unreasonable. Nevermind all the other stuff, but you should both have equal disposable cash to spend with no questions asked. So, if he's spending hundreds on bikes you should have an equal amount to spend on your hobby in whatever way you please. You should not have to sell anything to raise cash for this if your family unit has enough money to pay for it. You own half of every penny of income that comes into the house.

There are so many other issues in your posts that I don't even know where to start, but one thing is clear. You would be miles better off without him.

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