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I feel so unhappy and don't know what to do.

127 replies

Cajb18 · 23/03/2018 22:04

I feel pretty lost and confused right now. I've been with my husband for 18 years but the last 5 have been really hard. It feels like it has just been one obstacle after another. He's secretive and doesn't share what he's done with his day, people he's seen, conversations he's had. He doesn't discuss his days at all.

He is not able to show any affection, gropes me everytime he comes near me, which makes me feel cheap. He thinks he is entitled to put his hand down my trousers or up my top anytime he feels like it, and gets grumpy when I ask him not too. He is unable to give me a simple cuddle without groping. He needs attention from other women and is a huge flirt. It's very rare we go anywhere without some women catching his attention followed by the sly looks, then the secret smiles start. Which is humiliating for me and I just want to run away from him and the situation. It's the mums at school and our children's out of school clubs that I find the most humiliating the secret smirks from the mums that they know my husband is interested in them. He is also addicted to sex. For the most part of our relationship he hasn't ever let me get a full night sleep and has always woke me up every few hours for sex. It's felt like constant torture. I've felt so tired for years, walking around like a zombie. Making constant excuses to my friends and work colleagues because I cant tell them the truth about what my husband is really like, mainly because I don't want them to dislike him.

I'd finally had enough when I caught him secretly filming me in the shower on his phone. I had a panic attack and told him to leave. After a week I let him back because the kids were missing him so much and he is a brilliant father. We went to relate for a year which helped a little but the therapist was female bad actually said she found hi. Very charming which if I hadn't of hears myself I wouldn't have believed. She was more taken in by his lies and crap than by helping us. Having said that, he did get a little better allowing me to get some nights sleep. He still doesn't show me any affection and I've had enough of his flirting. The humiliation makes me feel so sad, like me and his kids aren't enough for him. I've told him how it makes me feel but he denies doing it and tells me it's all in my head. I feel trapped and lonely, but then I think to myself , am I just been petty? after all it's only flirting, he makes my tea most nights, helps me with the house and kids, and provides for us. What do I do. I forgive him but hate him at the same time for how he is. Do I break up the family and leave him, or stay and put up with his flirting and me living without any affection from him?

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MammaH2018 · 23/03/2018 23:53

Imagine for a second that he wasn’t your husband

He’s just a man

He’s pestering you for sex
He touches you when he knows you don’t want him to
He want to watch you undress
He looks at your body when he thinks your asleep

This.is.sexual.abuse.

He has no right to do any of the above.

He will also likely be treating other women in this way. People at work, women who work in pubs and restaurants etc

He’s a creep.

Please, get out.

PerfectlyDone · 23/03/2018 23:55

What would you advise a friend or your sister if they found themselves in your position?

You deserve better than this. Honestly.

Cajb18 · 23/03/2018 23:58

Springydaff, I can't stop thinking of your words. By writing this post and reading every single one of the replies and undeniably agreeing with them all from this day forward things are going to change. The worst thing I've probably only told you half of the things. Why didn't I post on here years ago, the only reason I did it tonight is because ideas sat in my car for 3 hours not being able to face going home and saw a post on here and decided to ask for opinion s. I genuinely thought it was me who was being petty and over reacting.

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user764329056 · 24/03/2018 00:09

OP you have underreacted for a very long time and understandably you are ground down, this sounds totally soul destroying and you deserve so much more, I hope you find the strength needed to make change and head towards happiness

UnRavellingFast · 24/03/2018 00:12

OP flowers and respectful hand hold for you. I got out and you can too. Can you order books without interference? There's an author called Lundy who wrote an amazing book which I kept within another book's cover and read every day until I managed to gain the strength to leave. In this situation we need help to see through the brain fog they cleverly impose. Good luck. You're not alone. Keep posting.

PenelopeFlintstone · 24/03/2018 00:15

He's a creepy fucking rapist. Mine's not perfect, but even I would be leaving that creep like a shot! You should too. Think how wonderful it will be when he's not in your bed. Good luck, OP. Flowers

Unicornsandrainbows3 · 24/03/2018 00:19

Because it's hard to speak up and even recognise it for what it is. It took me years. Please, please call women's Aid and get some help with this. They can help you to get out safely.

SevenStones · 24/03/2018 00:24

I feel physically sick reading about this vile excuse for a man and what you've endured for all these years. Flowers

I hope it's not long before you manage to have your own life without that specimen anywhere near you.

Please start planning a strategy to get away as soon as you can. Flowers

Cajb18 · 24/03/2018 00:39

The laughable thing is - if every single one of you met him, and I hadn't told you what's her like, I guarantee you would all think he's lovely and be taken in by him. I get sick of hearing it off everyone, how lovely he is. If only they knew, it bewilders me how a person can be so deceiving.
I can't thank you all enough, helping me see reality. I can honestly say I have sat here and sobbed my heart out, loud heart felt sobs...releasing years of feelings and confusion which I've realised I have buried very deep.

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PenelopeFlintstone · 24/03/2018 00:59

Cajb, you might think everyone likes him but sometimes people can come across as too good to be true which gives us a bad vibe. You might find that when you leave him, people tell you that they always found him a bit smarmy/sleazy rather than charming.
Good luck.

MrsDilber · 24/03/2018 01:06

You sound worn out. Emotionally and literally. Big virtual hugs, OP. I really don't think he's going to change. You deserve better.

Cricrichan · 24/03/2018 02:11

He's a vile rapist misogynistic animal.

Leave him. Don't explain or enter discussions with him, just tell him you want a divorce (after getting your ducks in a row). And if you're comfortable about telling your friends and family or some of them, then do some. Don't not say it because of him, he doesn't deserve it.

People don't know what goes on behind closed doors but I guarantee that all your friends and family who think he's so wonderful would be as disgusted as we are.

Have you got daughters? Would you ever want them with a man like him?

ChickenMom · 24/03/2018 04:30

You’ve tried your utter best to give him the opportunity to change. Who cares what other people think of him? What matters is what you feel about your own life. You’ve put up with this for too long. Imagine what your life could be like. Full nights sleep. Nobody touching you. Not having to worry about who he’s flirting with. It could be brilliant. Let everyone else think he’s brilliant. Doesn’t matter. Spend your energy on making your life what you want it to be. A bed to yourself. Peace and quiet. Personal space. You are not being petty and you are not over reacting. Your kids will be fine. You’ll be happy and that will make them fine. Could you afford to move you and the kids out and rent another property while you sort everything out? You could find one you like and get it organised before you even tell him the marriage is over. Get it all set up and organised in the background. Start making plans. Investigating your options. Go see a solicitor.

Unicornsandrainbows3 · 24/03/2018 04:47

Op I get it. Mine is charming and charismatic in the extreme too.
One step at a time..

Tattybogle89 · 24/03/2018 05:03

Just wow. This is horrific. Op he is raping and abusing you. It is so sad that this has become your normal.
He sounds like an addict as well.

I can’t imagine being woken for sex I don’t want. Let alone more than one a NIGHT. How do you even manage that when it’s not what you want.
He sounds vile.
You have been conditioned to believe this is how things should be.
Dear god for your own sanity, get him out

rocketgirl22 · 24/03/2018 05:18

Your darling husband is a sexual predator.

You need to leave.

Your children deserve better. You must leave before they realise what he is too. They will grow to detest him believe me. Children are not as naive as we like to think. They know deep down something horrible happens to their mother day in and day out/night in and night out.

If he has a sex addiction and is untreated, then you are also at risk from STDs etc especially as you seem to be implying something is happening during the day that he does not share with you.

He has no respect for you whatsoever. Please reclaim your body, your life and your future and call it a day. I am utterly amazed you have lasted this long with a monster like this.

PerfectlyDone · 24/03/2018 06:47

I know this is a book of fiction but Marian Keyes 'Charming man' gives a good description of, well, a charming man who is actually a controlling and physically abusive rapist - it's not that uncommon.

My STBXH is/was in no way abusive but portrays a public image that is very different to how he has been behaving towards me (pillar of the community vs repeated liar and cheat). Many people who know him would not believe what he has been up to. I have found it liberating to be quite open in RL about how he has cheated on me and that we are separating because of it.
You will feel a weight of your shoulders if you found somebody in RL you could confide in.
This thread must be such a difficult read for you - I hope it is the start of a much better life for you and your DCs.
ThanksBrew

Shoxfordian · 24/03/2018 07:04

How are you this morning op?
Do you have family or friends you can talk to in real life about it for support?
If you call Women's Aid then they can support you as well.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/03/2018 07:10

Your H has abused you for years and has likely further ramped up the power and control since your children came into being. He should be in prison for the coercive control committed against you.

Their house is not a safe home because their mother is being abused within it. Good fathers do not do this to the mother of their children.
I am not at all surprised to read that he charmed the counsellor and that many people seemingly like him; abusive people can appear to be very plausible to others.

Womens Aid can and will help you here; please call them. Make a new life for yourself without this predator in it, they can help you leave this dangerous individual.

Arapaima · 24/03/2018 07:18

OP, your post made me feel like vomiting. It’s awful what he has been doing to you. Please, please don’t let your DC grow up normalising this horrendous behaviour as you have done Sad

springydaff · 24/03/2018 09:51

Keep quiet about your plans (to leave). Talk to women's aid first and work out a strategy.

'getting all your ducks in a row' means collecting all relevant financial and legal paperwork pertaining to the marriage. Do this FIRST before anything is said - any announcement should come at the very end when you are totally ready. Is he self employed?

He is NOT your friend. He has been hideously abusing you for many years - I for one would like to see him put away for what he has done to you, which is illegal, against the law. It is truly horrifying. The law is there to protect you from monsters like this.

My ex - charm itself. Charm charm charm smarm. You just couldn't see the seams, everyone adored him.

SingleAgainThen · 24/03/2018 10:06

I’m not generally shocked by much on this site but wow, he is horrendous!

I am currently in the process of leaving my emotionally abusive husband as I think his behaviour is unacceptable & he hasn’t come close to doing half the stuff you talk about.

I know the unknown can be scary but surely pretty much anything is better that putting up with his shit. I would be furious with his behaviour.

Be strong.

yetmorecrap · 24/03/2018 10:25

Let him be a good dad—- from 2 miles up the road!!

Cajb18 · 24/03/2018 10:46

Morning everyone. I asked him to sleep downstairs last night, which he did. But he's just come in the bedroom not said a word, just banged about, letting me know he's not happy. I feel numb, scared and confused this morning. I used to be such as strong person until I met him. But because he's up for an argument at the drop-off a hat, and is far more confrontational than I am. I've found myself backing down for years. (He's just brought me a coffee up, that's what I mean. Completely messes with my head. One minutes he's banging about making a point, next he brings me a drink). Someone mentioned addict. I said that to the councillor but she dismissed it. His whole topic of conversation for years has just been comments about sex, one after another all day long, innuendo, after innuendo. And I've had to laugh at them, but in my head constantly thinking " who's is this man" although I do continuously say to him...why do have to talk about sex all day and make repeat innuendos. I started pointing out to him everytime he was doing it and he has got a bit better. I think he may watch porn when he's not with me and his spam email seems to be of them girls that you pay to talk to over cam. I'm not sure if he does That or not but I have suspicions that he does. But that might just be in my head. I also regularly look for cams in our bedroom and have jumped up a few times in the night thinking I have seen a red light but I'm not sure if that's in my head either. That because I found a spy alarm clock cam that he bought off ebay. I was so relieved I found that, if I hadn't gosh know what he would have done with it. He also bought larger cams but I found them before he could do anything with them. That's another reason he agreed to go to relate.

He's says it's all my fault that he wants sex so much and too touch me all the time, because he can't help fancying me. He says if I let my self go a bit he wouldn't fancy me so much. He is always very complimentary towards me. I don't know how I am going to face the atmosphere in the house today especially with the kids being here. I've distanced myself from my family and my friends (the 2 friends I had) and suppose I have isolated myself. I have two older children from my first marriage who are my best friends but there's only so much I can say to them, although they know what he's like and show me lots of love and support. Another reason I was so determined to make this marriage work, my first marriage broke up with 2 young children and I didn't want my little ones being brought up without their dad again. I've always said that if they are happy and okay, my feelings are irrelevant until they are older. I've lived with it this long, I can do another 5 years. My kids are 9 and 6 and my six year old son idolises his dad. Things are going to change from today, writing it down for the first time and realising all the things he's done and how I distrust him so much although it's strange because I honestly don't think he would have an affair ( although I could be wrong) he just needs a lot of attention from women. I don't think he's a monster because he does idolise me and the kids, I honestly think hrs got mental issues that he doesn't even realise. To him his behaviour and actions are fine, and to a degree I have allowed him to make me think the same. Someone said I have been conditioned and they were right.
We're meant to be going to the theatre today to watch snow white, and on holiday in May with the older 2 and their boyfriends. I've had a look at houses to rent, but the cheapest is about £550 for anything half ok. I'm going to keep looking daily and grab the first one that is one, give me time, I will sort my like out. If this message is all over the place and sounds confused that's because I am. I'm writing my thoughts/feelings as they come into my head and I known sound all over the place.

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Unicornsandrainbows3 · 24/03/2018 11:19

Not a monster no but a predator. This is not idolising, it's abuse. And gaslighting (thinking it's all in your head when it's not). Please do not do any more counselling with him. Counselling with abusers never works as they are so good at twisting things and gaslighting and charming the therapist. You need a DV and sexual assault counsellor for yourself though, someone who can help you to see things clearly.
Have a look at this and see if it rings true for you.
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You will be confused and up and down for awhile. Give yourself that time, you're doing well.