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Ds asked am I bipolar? - I think this is divorce fallout!

123 replies

greenberet · 02/03/2018 08:38

My acrimonious divorce has been well documented on here.

Yesterday I found out that X is taking CMS to appeal as his mandatory reconsideration was rejected. He is paying me what he wants to pay not what he has been told to pay. He is saying they are using wrong info to calculate ( co director so can basically manipulate) and so I assume he is going along the lines of cannot afford it which has been the bollocks since he left.

I also found the land registry details for the house he has recently bought with Ow in Sheffield which confirms a mortgage - this will be in addition to the rent he is paying down here of £1600 pm.
So what he is saying is unlikely to be true but I have to prove it.

The kids had to help me clear the loft yesterday 20 years of a previous life - Ds moaning all the time - can't we just leave it in here, this is pointless, waste of time etc - this happens everytime I ask for help - i am frustrated too having to clear it all as X just buggered off taking his personal stuff - leaving behind anything to do with his past life

Ds rant then progressed to you shouldn't have got married you shouldn't have had me you couldn't have kids ( ivf ) that should have been a sign - just bin it all just burn it - why can't you get a job like everyone else why are you a psycho c88t, don't go to court over CMS waste of money, if you don't shut up I'll smack you, why did you waste all that money on sols, my life is ruined, you have both ruined my life because you cannot behave like adults.

A bit later on he came to me and said do you think I have bipolar - I asked him why - he said because of his moods.

Later on I asked him to bring bins in - and I got more of the same - I'm not going out in this weather why does it have to be done now, nobody else is bringing bins in, you are crazy, you have all this shit in your head, no one else is like you.

This reduced me to tears. I am struggling to cope with the ongoing abuse I get from my x- Ds has issues - basically he needs to talk to someone about his feelings that obviously run deep. He has been referred to CAMHs but refused to go.

I am picking up the financial strain that X refuses to engage in - I am dealing with the emotional fallout - x not seeing kids on his contact time cos wants to be in Sheffield and then he send kids a pic of the bloody snow.

The kids know all the above - how must they feel knowing x refused to pay their school fees but has now bought a house with Ow so paying for her kids.

There is a long standing issue with my kids they are donor sperm - they have always known this - but with everything else going on and what my Ds has said this looks like it's coming into play somewhere. Ds is a volcano waiting to explode - on the outside everything looks ok but underneath I have no idea just get these outbursts.

Today he wants me to take him to a job interview 30 miles away - I don't want to go out in the snow - this is going to kick off - it's a part time job - but it is me that is unreasonable.

Not really sure what looking for - just documenting ahead of future counselling sessions for me - I'm counting down to kids are 18 - does my responsibility to my kids end here? All financial support stops - x no longer has a financial responsibility - I have to choose between my own financial security and supporting them still - emotionally I want to do a runner because I have had enough - physically I will be moving out of the area - this all seems fine for the x to do - but if I do it too what are the consequences - my Ds having a breakdown - my Dd having nowhere to live - who thinks about this - not the fucking courts who have made all the decisions so far that's for sure - but you know what once the divorce is over everything is tickety boo - they wave their wand and just like that we are all sorted everyone happy everyone moved on - job done!

OP posts:
Blackkitten · 02/03/2018 15:54

OP I do not know your backstory but you are coming across as being very angry and defensive. I agree that you seem to blaming everyone and everything for your problems. Of course you should get a job, why should other people support you. And of course you continue supporting your children what ever their age. I feel sorry for your poos DS.

greenberet · 02/03/2018 15:55

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greenberet · 02/03/2018 16:04

So if it's too upsetting to clear out a loft what is it going to be like when we move

Took advantage of it being a snow day because otherwise he is busy doing his own thing

Of course I should get a job why should others support me - no one is supporting me - the amount of tax my x has paid is supporting me - and I should continue supporting them whatever their age - what at 18? What about their DF when does he support them? Before 18 would be nice

Waste of time being on here just end up dealing with fucking idiots

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Isthereaguide · 02/03/2018 16:24

greenberet sorry mn isn't helpful for you. I don't think you have to justify your work situation here. Returning to work after so long and with anxiety or similar (I don't and don't need to know your mh issues) must be incredibly daunting. That your ex didn't value stability re family home for your DC is very poor and well done for attempting to keep it going for them.

Most of my spare money goes on therapy because I desperately want to stop my shakey mental health impacting on my children. I know how difficult that can be.

I hope you find a way to connect with your son. I have little children and haven't had to face the difficulty that can come with the teenage years. I hope you find the right support. Flowers

SandyY2K · 02/03/2018 17:01

I was just about to say pp were being harsh worth you until you said my post indicated I have issues and have left another poster feeling suicidal. I'd be grateful if you could let me know which thread that is.

You really are coming across as angry, defensive and bitter.

This (below in bold) is what I said on this thread to you. I'm struggling to understand why you took so much offence.

Is there a reason you can't get a job? ...This was in response to what your DS said.

Acrimonious divorces do affect children unfortunately.

I doubt that any teenager is going to be happy about doing a crappy job like clearing out the loft.

Surely that doesn't surprise you.

Blackkitten · 02/03/2018 17:07

Wow OP you really are a charmer . You said you were on benefits so others are supporting. Your ex might be twat and not support you kids but that does not mean you need to follow suit.

Isthereaguide · 02/03/2018 17:09

Sandy, the thread op referred to I think has been deleted. The poster had a strong reaction to a couple of posts, yours being one of them. It's someone who has posted about difficult relationship re sex/consent which might prompt your memory.
I think anyone reading would have seen it was clearly an op in a difficult place, nothing to do with your post.
Not sure whether it's ok to have described a deleted thread but it's a really shit thing to have said about you. And really unwarranted.

LimonViola · 02/03/2018 17:17

Yes Sandy, I saw that too. The OP was clearly unable to listen to any posts at all, yours was perfectly appropriate and kind yet she flipped and accused you of pushing her closer to a breakdown. It certainly wasn't anything you said on that thread, don't worry.

SandyY2K · 02/03/2018 17:24

@LimonViola and
@Isthereaguide

Thank you both for clarifying. I can't recall the thread, but I actually take time to be really empathetic here, even when the OP is clearly wrong... such as having an affair. I'm still supportive.

I'm not one to hurl insults at all, so I was genuinely concerned that anything I said would make someone suicidal.

LimonViola · 02/03/2018 17:34

I think that may be why it was deleted but I'm unsure. It's horrible to accuse a stranger of pushing you closer to suicide and quite manipulative (don't say anything I don't want you to or you'll be responsible if I hurt myself), even if you're in a bad place. And if you actually are in that bad a place that a nice supportive post leads to that reaction a thread on a forum isn't gonna be ideal Flowers just didn't want you worrying you had done something wrong to someone.

Northernparent68 · 02/03/2018 18:41

Op, It takes two to make an acrimony divorce

greenberet · 02/03/2018 22:03

Sandy I have seen you refer to a couple of instances as being "mental" maybe it's just a turn of phrase you use but when people are really struggling with MH issues it comes across as being a bit crass. Maybe the poor girl was already feeling suicidal that was my impression and unless you have been here you have no idea how such a remark meant with no malice can affect someone.

Northern I'd love to know how you arrive at this assumption - does it also take two to make a marriage abusive

Not bitter Angry yes month in month out for the last 4 years I have had to deal with some shit or another

Black kitten what I have paid in tax more than covers the benefits that I am currently receiving 10 times over .

I have tried to speak to Ds again today - deep down I think he knows he needs to speak to someone but he is still refusing

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Joysmum · 02/03/2018 22:26

Get help for your issues.

You can’t change your ex but you can get help in handling your situation differently and ensuring your children aren’t caught up in your strong reactions as they have been.

Haffiana · 02/03/2018 22:28

@TatianaLarina Please don't stop posting on this thread. I have raised this before, that this OP gets a kicking every time she posts because she does not respond the way that other posters think she should.

Joysmum · 02/03/2018 22:40

this OP gets a kicking every time she posts because she does not respond the way that other posters think she should

Of course she does and quite rightly so.

She titled the thread about her son feeling so broken and confused by his feelings he asked if he was bipolar. She then went on yet again to rant about the ex whilst saying nothing of her concern for her son, the talk that provoked (I suspect none) and nothing if the reassurances given and asking if she handled it right.

In fact she further expressed relief that they be 18 soon, nothing about their feelings and once again all about herself and her anger.

It’s fair to say she doesn’t respond the way the majority would believe a parent should...in any of the numerous threads she posts.

Get help OP so you can deal with life better and then better support your kids. It’s down to you.

Offred · 02/03/2018 23:04

For me anyway it is nothing to do with her not responding the way I think she should. It’s to do with repeated posts re her harmful attitude and behaviour re her kids, her obsession with blaming ex to the exclusion of everything else and how everything in every post is always the same as a result of the fact that she isn’t posting these threads for any advice or intending to think about her DC in any of this and that people are getting taken in by not AS previous posts and inadvertently confirming the very beliefs that are causing harm to her DC.

If people think OP needs MH support etc then that’s what LOADS of people have patiently and frustratedly said to her in every thread. And they are right but you can’t expect MN to be like therapy and this is not the MH board so people are addressing the relationship aspects of the posts, the op just wants people to say ‘oh yeah your ex is to blame for everything you are totally justified in taking to your bed or sending your DC to their abusive father because you don’t want them anymore’ when people are actually saying stuff like ‘you need to learn to cope and put your ex out of your mind and your life, your DC need you to’ which consistently makes OP angry.

Offred · 02/03/2018 23:15

And though I’m really loathe to say it because I hate the whole MN is sexist thing, IMO if OP was a male poster I really believe people would not be jumping to excuse this treatment of her DC or this obsession with hate of her ex.

I do think OP has clearly suffered through a very long an abusive marriage and her ex is clearly a terrible father and partner and this does make it different because of the gendered nature of abuse in relationships, but still the abuse she suffered is not the full story here. There is clearly a MH issue that really needs RL support, not loads of posts on MN.

Offred · 02/03/2018 23:17

Or not the relationships section. MH would be more productive but that requires accepting the OP has some part in this situation and that the ex is not wholly and completely responsible in this situation.

WellThisIsShit · 02/03/2018 23:21

Thanks for replying OP.

Yes I understand that your ex has behaved in a hideous way and it’s so awful having someone who can really destroy us from the inside-out because they are inside our lives and homes and families. Horrendous.

What I meant by home was the home that you have now with your children, not the old place before the split. I’m sorry that it’s been hard to move on from that, it’s shit, it really is, but for children, what their home is, is where their mum is, and their bedrooms are, isn’t it?

And yes, I’d hope it’s where their other parent is, but sadly that doesn’t always happen and it doesn’t seem to have happened in your case (or mine for that matter!), so really, all they have is you.

So, home is very much where the heart is isn’t it? Where the love and security is? Where they belong, where your family is, and where their family is.

I get that you’re mourning the life and the house your husband ripped apart a few years ago. I get that you cannot rebuilt in the way you want, and I get it bloody hurts! I get that, because, like quite a few on mumsnet, it’s happened to us.

It’s smashed dreams and lost futures. Add in ill health and it’s a living nightmare. I get it. Really, really, I do.

If it wasn’t for DS, I’d have killed myself a few years ago. The pain, my physical deterioration which ripped away my independence and ability to pick myself up from the hole my abusive exhusband left me in, and the grieving for the close family that died of what I eventually will... well, I think, without wanting to do the ‘my life’s shit too dance’ (!), I can to a certain extent, I think , I can feel your pain.

But I had to carry on as DS needed one parent to give him the love and care he deserved. And that was me. Whether I liked it or not.

Even if it was the hardest thing and I don’t get it right all the time. And I often feel terrible for not being able to give him the life I thought I would, or be the mother I hoped I would be... but, it’s not his fault so you just have to carry on and be as good as you can be.

And yes I needed psychological help too, and still do actually, as I’m just about to start a next round of therapy focusing on some really tough stuff I’ve not been ready to get to before now.

It all takes time.

But you do need your hook to keep you trying to get better. To keep you hoping that maybe thing can get a tiny bit better. That you deserve to live in a happier, kinder way?

I’m worried that that your little bit of will to change, to hope, to struggle and not accept that this is it... well, I’m wondering where it is?

For me, it’s DS, I cannot let this be it for his sake.

I’m a bit worried that you can’t seem to feel linked to your children...

What I’m worried about with your posts is that it kind of feels like you can’t focus on your children’s pain and feel it beyond and separately than your own.

I asked you how your boy felt, thinking he might be bipolar is such a big scary thing for him to be thinking. But it’s like you can’t feel his pain. And that’s very very sad. For you, and for him.

Out of everything you’ve written about on here, I’d say that’s one of the sadness and most broken things. And I wonder if you can see it?

Will you get angry at me for saying this? Will you search my history to hit back? Because that feels like something someone very defensive would have to do, to protect themselves. Or to show anger to divert from anything else. Hiding in anger seems to work well as a defensive mechanism. And as a way of staying still at the moment maybe as well?

Sooo... this is me hoping you can still read on through the need to protect yourself, maybe you can hear me still cos I’m really not being mean, promise!

It feels like you’re a jar so brim full of hurt and pain and rage and disbelief, that you can’t see or feel or hear anything beyond your borders.

Like, you’re stuck in this glass jar which is all covered with horrible awful stuff that is just too unspeakably dreadful for you to deal with (like... blood and gore and electric snakes whipping through quick sand and mud). How can you ever get past that to interact with anything on the other side? How could anyone?

But your babies are out there calling you (even if they look like hulking great teens now, they are still your babies)... and nice things are out here, like cotton sheets and tea pots and sunrises and green mowed grass. But you can’t get to any of this.

It feels to me like you are trapped in a hellish type of world and I’m not hating you for it. I wouldn’t wish my worst enemy to have to live in there...

Or... I’m tired and have a waaaay too over active imagination and you’re fine! :)

Hermonie2016 · 02/03/2018 23:38

Op, I have had a difficult divorce and a tough finance settlement so I can relate to your situation however you seem to focus on the unfairness which may or may not be the case but its not healthy.Each time you are drawn back to unfairness replace the thought with a gratitude and write it down.It really does change your mindset.

You will survive financially, maybe not the life you had but it will be ok.Lots of joy in life is free.

I think if you focus on your children you will realise how much "wealth" you have.If their father doesn't see much of them then it's his loss and no amount of money can change that.

Do you have a close friend? Someone who will kindly help you think positively of the future.It's a shame that you have spent 4 years being angry as life is already short.
My heart goes out to your son who is obviously struggling and just wants a strong mum so he can feel safe.

Fake it, til you make it for him and your daughter.

greenberet · 03/03/2018 00:35

Well thank you again - I get what your saying - I don't know why some people on here see me as they do - maybe their own situation tints their perspective.

I can tell you I get my kids pain I really do - everything I have gone through has been about them - trying to keep their life as intact as I possibly can. We are still in the old home - the old home before the split - it should have come to me but x manipulated it all - and my sols let me down badly - some of you will say going over old ground yet again.

Do you think I went through fertility treatment thinking I may not have kids to get to this point and not fight everything I have for my kids -

I'm not mourning my old life - it's done - I want to move on get past this fucking shit but unless I take every hit and say nothing, do nothing just take it all then this is how it is - I can't do this I won't do this I do not deserve to be treated like this and nor do my kids - what is it they say the best thing a father can do for his kids is respect their mother.

Well I get no respect and I am not letting my kids believe that this is how it should be - so maybe I create my own hell - but my x is a master manipulator - very passive aggressive and he has fucked with the kids heads long enough. Yes I have depression but would I get this stick if I had cancer - I doubt it very much. And I've had this too!

I want my kids to be able to stand up for themselves not be bullied out of fear, not be afraid of saying the wrong thing because somebody will shoot you down, to have the courage of their convictions even if they are the only ones thinking this because sometimes the minority is right! Not to have to conform because they are afraid of being different, or conform so they fit in or are accepted -I want them to believe in themselves so much that no fucking shite can get to them. But not to be arrogant or entitled or up their own fucking arses. This is what I am fighting for and the biggest battle is against their DF who is currently everything I do not want them to be.

He chooses how he behaves - I'm sorry but I cannot take 4 years of shite without it effecting me - and what he is doing effects the kids - that is the ultimate bottom line that he refuses to see and this makes me angry - and my anger is probably with myself because I chose him thinking he would be a good father - because I modelled him on my own father - who I now see differently too - yet no one gave me the balls I needed to deal with life - my own dm 'protected' me from the truth because she thought this was the right thing to do -I don't blame her - she too took the hit for her kids! But had I been more aware I may have seen things differently could have given my kids a better start, not tolerated as much as I did thinking it was for everyone's good.

The only beneficiary of it all was the x made his life easy whilst we all adapted to accommodate him.

But I'm not doing this anymore and I want my kids to realise how wrong some of the things they thought were right were not . So I'm having to do an about 360 turn at a time when their lives are in turmoil and all they want is how it was - because to them this was peace. I don't have much time left - it may already have run out - because they too want to live their own lives without all this shit. So if I don't achieve this and right now I'm not sure I have then they face the possibility of choosing abusive relationships because they think this is right and there is no way I want to see my kids go through what I have been through. Yes we have had 4 years of hell but if they can have happy and healthy relationships that are true, where they can communicate no matter how difficult it is, where they know their own worth then I will have done my job.

But sometimes I crumble because sometimes I see that I am failing when I ask for help and I get the same response their father used to give because really he couldn't give a shite - as long as his little world was ok sod the bigger picture - but the bigger picture is important - lose sight of this and you are sunk anyway - so yes I get my Ds would have had difficult feelings in emptying out the loft - but we have to learn to face these feelings - not shy away from them - because this is what causes the issues in the first place.

I know what my responsibilities are and I can tell you I am putting my kids first all the bloody time because if not I would not be here - I'd be living the fucking life of Riley without a second thought to what the fuck was happening to them.

I'm done yet again I'm having to defend myself to complete strangers why? because i fight that's why - maybe each time you knock me down I get up that bit stronger because deep down I know my own truth. When I fully believe this so that it seeps out of my every pore I will be gone from here because I will no longer need you lot - thank you to those that have supported me - the rest of you - good luck

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LimonViola · 03/03/2018 07:27

I'm done yet again I'm having to defend myself to complete strangers why? because i fight that's why - maybe each time you knock me down I get up that bit stronger because deep down I know my own truth. When I fully believe this so that it seeps out of my every pore I will be gone from here because I will no longer need you lot -

Do you honestly believe this narrative that you're bravely fighting on while your enemies on mumsnet are trying to knock you down for a laugh? Like you're some kind of warrior railing against injustice?

Cos nobody has posted with anything other than advice and support even if you don't like it.

Your kids must be beyond exhausted.

Also a 360 turn would leave you exactly where you were to start with.

LimonViola · 03/03/2018 07:28

And you don't have to defend yourself to anyone on here. All that matters is what your kids think and you think. Why do you think you are so desperate to 'defend yourself' against people on here who are trying to help?

You're making the choice to keep re engaging, nobody else.

greenberet · 03/03/2018 08:35

Yes Limon I do - some people get a kick out of other people struggling because it makes them feel better about their own lives - and yes that is exactly what I'm doing warrior against injustice - I like that - maybe I'll make that my new name

Advice and support - now that's a whole other discussion - where does it say anywhere that you have to act on advice - the actual issue here is that people giving advice think I should act on it - probably because that is the path they have chosen - but I don't you see - just because it was right for them doesn't make it right for me -and the fact that I don't do what they have done makes them question their own decisions - that's why They don't like it and come back time and time again to try and get me to see things their way to justify their own decisions.

My kids are exhausted we,re all exhausted but that's what happens when you don't take the easy route .

360 - depends which direction you go in after this though doesn't it?

I don't know the answer to that - maybe as I said I'm learning to stand up for myself - I could walk away - easy - but you have engaged - and I'm answering _ I have this thing that people don't believe me - that I have to prove myself or defend myself time and time again - sometimes it bothers me othertimes it doesn't - maybe I'm learning to deal with difficult situations - I can say what i like here - you don't know me - I'm never going to have to deal with you in RL and the worst that happens is I get a bashing - well I've had many of those - or my thread gets deleted- maybe one day I'll learn not to let shit get to me - so for that reason alone there is some positive in all this

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GriefLeavesItsMark · 03/03/2018 09:58

So you are doing all this for your kids, but you won't take your son for a job interview because it's snowy. Benefits of working can include independence, boosted self-esteem, an enhanced CV, and better life opportunities.

Ok, your choice.