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Brave Babes (Hygge) Battle Bus: Snowed in and Drinking Hot Chocolate instead of wine

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SweetLathyrus · 01/03/2018 16:17

Hi, I'm SweetLathyrus, Sweet for short, and I've been on and off Gerald the Brave Babes Battle Bus since 2014. Over the years, lots of us have maintained the thread, most of all the lovely Mouse, who has been here since the early days, and still scurries onboard when she can.

The bus is a place of support, safety and occasional silliness for those of us struggling with our relationship with alcohol. Some of us are sober, some are trying to be, some are moderating and aren't ready to give up alcohol just yet.

So whatever your reason for questioning the whys and WTFs of your drinking, hop on board, make yourselves comfortable and join in. Driers and Triers, all welcome.

2018 has been a busy year so far, lots of new travellers as well as old faces; if you want to read back on the journey through Dry or Dryer Jan and Feb so far, here's the link to the last thread

And in case you want to know how it all started, here is the link to JWN's original, inspiring thread

We've donned the snow chains, topped up the antifreeze, and turned the heaters up to loud, so even though it's cold outside, our welcome is always warm, so hop on and join us.

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Twattage13 · 18/04/2018 06:15

Morning all

owl it takes a while for alcohol to leave if you've been drinking heavily. I can't remember how long but longer than 3 days! People talk about having a boing where you suddenly feel amazing - for me that won't be until at least a couple of weeks in. I'm still at the knackered and headachy stage - I've not picked up since last Thursday.

I am v sore today from my run as well! Couple of rest days now before I give it another pass on Friday morning. I had a super productive day yesterday (and the sun was out) so even though I'm tired and I've only lost 1/2 a pound so far this week, I am feeling much better in my head.

Going to dash now - am client side today - could do without as it's going to be a lovely sunny day and I'm much rather be WFH or at least in central London so I'm close to home. Sigh.

buttonz - that's a tough one. I suggest you either need to not go if you don't want to drink, or you need to have your excuse - antib's etc ready. Sorry I can't remember if you're trying to be entirely abstinent or not?

x

laurely · 19/04/2018 06:11

Good morning I'm hoping I can join the bus? Been lurking on and off for a while . Tried DRY last year but struggled. I don't really know where I'm at at the minute. . Since Christmas I'm back to a bottle / bottle and half wine a day. I function. I work in a professional role. I keep my house and family going. BUT ..... I know it's bad for me. My mental health suffers . And I'm fat . Alcohol makes me lazy moody sluggish etc etc . I'm not ready to give up but would like to moderate, the idea being to drink on Fridays and Saturdays . So I started this week . Didn't drink sun-tues. Then last night after a tough day I bought wine. I won't drink tonight .

Twattage13 · 19/04/2018 06:34

Morning all babes...today is my 5 year anniversary of stopping all wine, champagne, prosecco and spirits.

On 19 April 2012 I woke up in bed after another night on the wine that I didn't really want to do, but felt a compulsion which was unstoppable, and decided that I had hit rock bottom.

I spent over an hour crying in bed and then called AA. They connected me with a RL person and advised me to get to a meeting. I did try a couple of meetings but I struggle with a) the concept of meetings (I don't like the structure) and b) some of the AA philosophy. I am however eternally grateful to the person on their helpline who spoke to me for over an hour.

My wine consumption had been escalating since around 2007 when I decided to leave my first husband , fell in love with the second and moved out. The emotional toll of going through even a straight forward divorce and starting a new job, and moving house all at the same time, saw me self-medicating and getting into a routine drinking pattern with a colleague (my mucker) in Central London. We became really good friends - all based around wine consumption.

By 2013 I had broken my foot after falling off the sofa whilst drunk (I said I wasn't) and was drinking 1 1/2-2 bottles of wine, 5 nights a week. I was in short, an embarrassing drunken mess.

From that day I just decided to stop drinking, I remember I tried Soberistas for a while but then they made it a paying site and so I just did it alone (I wasn't on MN at that point). Not once after that day did I go near a glass of wine or spirits - I just stopped. I didn't find it massively hard if I'm honest - as I'd hit rock bottom, my mindset was determined.

I am also lucky to have had a supportive husband who does not drink much and respects me 100%.

After the first early days I went on girls holiday about two months later with my BF and my wine drinking mucker and a friend of hers - it was a v difficult week. The 2 latter girls did not like me not drinking at all, in the case of my mucker, it showed up all the things that she was still doing and that I was not. Ultimately although we stayed friends for another 3 years, it was not the same after that and with my lack of wine goggles, I realised that she had some unpleasant character traits that I had overlooked, and I let the friendship drop in 2015. That is the only friendship I've lost along the way, I'm pleased to say.

I also did a sober Glastonbury that year - it was so good not to be worrying about the toilet all the time on-site and I remembered all the amazing things I'd seen (including the Rolling Stones)!

There then followed sober holidays to various places and a sober Christmas / NY (I've done a few of those now) and birthday.

In the autumn of 2013 I was head-hunted for a job abroad, which I got after 5 interviews. I am not sure I'd have got it if still drinking, but with my lack of booze, I soared through. I moved abroad in March 2014 and decided that after 11 months of sobriety I would try to moderate on lager in my new surroundings.

It worked out well and I have been happily moderating on beer up until December 2017. My life improved exponentially in every area, particularly my career - I have posted about this before so won't go into it, but to say I now run my own business, I love my job, alcohol does not affect my performance.

When you've stopped you have to be vigilant still, the alcohol devil can creep up at any moment. For me I've been in a very stressful contract since September last year - without realising it my consumption crept up in December and I decided that I needed to have a period of abstinence and track my drinking again this year.

After doing DJ and joining this thread, I found it hard to get back into a normal rhythm around my holidays and Easter, however in the last 10 days or so I've got my mojo back and I'm on a roll again. Feeling really good this morning :).

My current plan is to go back to 1 night moderating on a Thursday and all other nights sober - this worked well for me previously and is something I feel comfortable with.

I'll stop rambling now but I wanted to reassure everyone that stopping the vino absolutely can be done. It gets easier after a period of time - TBH I was so sick of it by the time I stopped that I never wanted to go back to it. I have no interest in it at all and I know it will add nothing to my life.

I love waking up in the morning having had an amazing night's sleep. It feels soooo good...today the garden already has a bit of sun on it and the birds are tweeting...love this time of year early in the day.

Sorry bit of a self-indulgent post but I feel I'm allowed on my 5-year anniversary! Love to all babes...it can be done!

Hopefully something in here will help others in the early stages of the journey.

xxx

Twattage13 · 19/04/2018 06:35

That should say 19 April 2013 - it's not been 6 years! Not had sufficient caffeine yet this morning. x

venusandmars · 19/04/2018 07:53

Brilliant twattage and it is SO, so worth it to wake up on a warm sunny morning not feeling sick or shakey or wondering what the hell we did or said yesterday.

It's intetesting how the last couple of months have read like a struggle for you - drinking when you planned not to - etc. Now you sound strong and resolved again. Go you!

ChiaraRimini · 19/04/2018 10:57

Congratulations twattage what an inspiring story. Gives hope to all of us.
I am on day 13 and I feel so relieved that I am not damaging my mental and physical health with booze. It really is a drug like any other and the buzz is "borrowing tomorrow's happiness"
I have a girls night out tomorrow. I had said I was going to stay AF until next weekend. It's playing on my mind, I'm feeling tempted to drink and making bargains with myself about it which is not good. Not sure how to deal with it, I think I'm going to try and forget about it for today and worry about it tomorrow.

ChiaraRimini · 19/04/2018 11:26

Congratulations twattage what an inspiring story. Gives hope to all of us.
I am on day 13 and I feel so relieved that I am not damaging my mental and physical health with booze. It really is a drug like any other and the buzz is "borrowing tomorrow's happiness"
I have a girls night out tomorrow. I had said I was going to stay AF until next weekend. It's playing on my mind, I'm feeling tempted to drink and making bargains with myself about it which is not good. Not sure how to deal with it, I think I'm going to try and forget about it for today and worry about it tomorrow.

nightowl99 · 19/04/2018 11:44

Thanks for sharing your story Twattage - very inspiring. It sounds like you were drinking about the same as me or thereabouts before you stopped.

I'm sorry to say that after three days sober (including one trip to the pub where I managed not to drink) I fell spectacularly off the wagon last night. I drank about a bottle of wine plus several cocktails at a work do, followed by two more glasses at home. I think it probably added up to about 22 units all in all.

The evening culminated in a terrible drunken row with my other half and I woke up this morning feeling so down and ashamed. I'm so disappointed in myself - I don't think I'll ever stop.

Twattage, you mentioned that it wasn't massively hard to stop drinking as you'd hit rock bottom - but I have also hit rock bottom on countless occasions and vowed never to drink again due to the embarrassment and shame. Trouble is, I always do.

buttonz · 19/04/2018 13:01

Fantastic Twattage!

Out last night. Did drink but didn't get too pissed, unlike the previous two occasions when I got blind drunk.

Twattage13 · 19/04/2018 15:12

Thank you for all the nice comments. I have managed to escape from the client and am back at home - phew. Looking forward to an evening in the garden with the boy and the cat (currently crashed).

venus - yes you are absolutely correct. I haven't been in the correct mindset since holidays and Easter on top of all the stress at work. I have been struggling on a weekly basis. Everything clicked into place last week with me sorting out my resource issues at work and now I feel like I'm back in the game. If you're not in the right mindset to want to do this then you absolutely don't have the willpower on the difficult days!

chiara - one of the things AA says is not to project forward onto future days. Leave it until tomorrow and see how you feel.

owl - everyone is different and I know some people say that rock bottom isn't a thing. I had many, many failed attempts at sobriety probably from 2010 onwards and none of them worked. I don't really know why - I guess it comes back to the mindset thing. It made no difference even when I had done terrible or embarrassing things and lost friends etc. There actually was no trigger in April 2013, I'd just had enough and I was spent / exhausted and I wanted to change. I can't really say any more than that.

Forgot to say I also lost 3 stone after stopping wine, am 10 pounds up on my usual lowest weight but I've maintained that pretty much for the last 4/5 years as well now. All good things...

dementedma · 21/04/2018 08:06

ah, here you all are. couldn't find the thread. just checking in.
off soldier ogling today at the Royal gun Salute. Catch you later

Fairenuff · 22/04/2018 16:35

Hi babes

Just bumping the thread back onto page 1 so people can find us.

Fantastic post Twattage Smile

dementedma · 22/04/2018 20:25

hi faire
looks like the bus might have run out of steam. it seems to have ground to a halt

Slingsanderrors · 22/04/2018 20:49

We need to keep the bus going, it’s been a lifeline to me. So many influential babes here, sweet, Ma, venus, .........

I’m still here, af 4 days, moderating weekends. Nothing much to say though. It’s a struggle, husband is now retired, hanging around the house like a bad smell (indeed he is a bad smell), he’s drinking every night, which makes it harder. I want to get out but it’s not that easy.

Someone please give me a slap with Barrie.

Xx

Slingsanderrors · 22/04/2018 20:51

Didn’t read back, more influential babes, faire, twattage, baking.......

Saywhen · 22/04/2018 21:21

Hello all.
Agree this thread has been so important to me, I am so greatful for it. I don't post that often but I honestly don't think I could have got to day 3 at without it.

May 4th will be 6 months af it is such a relief. Never thought I would say I love not drinking.

Will try to post to keep the thread active.

AnneBoleynsHead · 22/04/2018 21:50

Hi Babes
I'm still here & lurking - haven't posted lately as failed miserably at Dry April 😔 just can't seem to recapture my January enthusiasm (blame it on my nightmare in-laws).
Ma don't despair we're all still here.

Fairenuff · 22/04/2018 23:54

The bus has gone through quiet patches before but as long as people need a place to meet and support each other, it will trundle on.

I sometimes think that big chunks of dry time might seem insurmountable to some of us so how about we all have a dry Monday tomorrow?

Who's in?

Smile

< realises that most sensible people have gone to bed >

Twattage13 · 23/04/2018 06:54

Morning all - OMG this is possibly the best day ever. Have made it onto the list of influential babes!!!!

Beyond excited...

Not had a lot to say - I'm sticking to my one day a week drinking - working well so far. Been away for the weekend at the PILs - glorious countryside weather - slept like a log...

Absolutely up for a dry Monday (and dry rest of the week)!

xxx

LookingforHope · 23/04/2018 12:58

Hi all ... just checking in. Feel overwhelmed with life and stressed and am drinking again. Had the most amazing holiday and coming back I have realised I can't actually cope with the unhealthy stress levels in my day to day life (manic job, difficult teenagers, getting used to being a single mum, gym addiction, unable to say no to social commitments ever in case nobody ever contacts me again, large falling down house, too much general life admin) but have no idea how to stop it all. I have literally nobody to help me. Also hate being 50 and am scared of dying alone in a hovel surrounded by cats. Help!

Fairenuff · 23/04/2018 14:12

< passes Hope a cup of tea > Brew

Sounds overwhelming, no wonder you're struggling. Any chance of getting the teenagers onside so that they do jobs for pocket money around the house? My ds painted my fence for me one summer. It was a big job, saved me doing it and he did it for £20.

I also made a list of everything that needed doing cleaning wise broken down into 5/10 minute tasks. I told the dc to pick 3 jobs each a day (school holidays). That meant that they could chose the ones they didn't mind doing too much and I picked up what was left over.

LookingforHope · 23/04/2018 14:52

Thanks for the brew Faire. And all good suggestions but you clearly haven't met my kids. They do nothing for themselves let alone me. I am a failure as a parent as did everything for them for too long and now have paralysing guilt over their dad leaving (even though he left of his own volition) and being away so much for work (in London today, won't get back till 10.00pm). On Saturday night felt bad about going round to a friend's so made them pasta bake and came home to find dirty dishes on the side, leftovers uncovered and out of the fridge etc and they just went to bed and left the mess. If I ask them to clean it up I get eyerolls and 'I'll do it later ' (they don't). They are only part of the problem though. Work said they would be flexible given my situation and then throw short deadlines at me and demand I work away at least once a week. I haven't even opened my post from holiday yet. Am a mess. Just want to go to bed for a year to escape! DS is 18 next Monday too and haven't even bought anything for him or planned anything (he is adamant he isn't bothered and I will get him a laptop but God knows when). And he has A levels coming up and then University forms to fill in. And then oh God the summer holidays with them both around all day. Aaagh!!!Confused

clearview · 23/04/2018 16:57

Hi...

Can I join please? I have now been af for 8 days after stumbling across the original jwn thread. Stopped drinking that same day and do not intend drinking tomorrow.

Taken me a while to admit I have an issue with alcohol and it would be nice to have a place to vent chat when I feel wobbly

Twattage13 · 23/04/2018 17:21

Evening clearview - raising my cup of rooibos at you!

I am also reading the original thread on and off - I am now up to December 2011.

Welcome :). 8 days is fab. x

clearview · 23/04/2018 17:56

Thank you for the welcome Twattage and for the support. I have done a few 'dry' spells to try and prove that I don't have a problem but always end up counting down the days till I can resume my twattish drunken behaviour Blush

I'm doing okay so far and reading the original threads is helping so much. I am following the advice to keep busy and am going back running tonight after a break.

I will not be drinking today been dying to 'say' that

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