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Cold feet about upcoming wedding... confusion and other man. Unusual relationship.

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MyFickleHeart · 06/02/2018 20:37

Hey there,
I read an amazing thread of similar topic here and was so grateful to hear the helpful advice from everyone so I thought I'd ask my questions here too. I have been engaged to my fiancé (BF of 4 years) for just over a year. We have recently moved into our first home (thanks to help from both of our parents) and got adorable cats we've been raising since kittens a year ago. I am a touring musician and my career has been picking up really heavily lately with my two touring original projects! At the same time I'm 33 (going on 34) and we're thinking about kids. My life dream has always been to take music as far as I can and I know that although I am fit and feel in the prime of my life, my music career also has an expiry in the capacity that I am doing it now. I have also always wanted children. I have had a lot of struggles with band dynamics (mental illness in two band members and serious health issues for them too) that have made it so heartbreakingly frustrating to move forward. Despite this, THIS YEAR my prayers were answered and my career is taking off! Both my bands got grants (against the odds) and have awesome albums out and tour opportunities. My band mates are on the road to recovery and I am thrilled to finally be living my life dream (somewhat unexpectedly). Unfortunately this has lead to some confusion of the heart.

My fiancé is a very sweet, gentle and supportive character. He came into my life when I wasn't looking at all for a partner... I had broken up with a great love of my life about 9 months prior and about to go on my first tour of Australia (I have now just finished my 4th). I have been a serial monogamist my whole life. I always feel good and happy with myself when I'm single and it feels right to dedicate my life to my art and personal health/growth. I am a romantic though and most of my partners have been adoring and kind men who were just not right for me in the end. I don't consider myself to have a fear of commitment, per se, just a fickle heart! I fall madly for them and then, over time the magic fades and either they, or I, find someone else who renews our passion and we part ways. I am guilty, often, of hanging on too long because I want to make them happy and meet their expectations. Also guilty of falling into resentment and dishonesty (though I'm not a cheater, I often get a wandering eye).

With my current fiancé (I have never been engaged previously) it seemed so perfect because he's so independent. He was only in open relationships before me and so when I said I wanted to be monogamous he was thrilled. He'd never had a long-term girlfriend beyond a few months (I can't imagine why, he's only 3 years younger than me and attractive/sweet). We talked about an open relationship early on and it made sense (arose totally organically) that we pursue that when I'm away on tour. I'm not overly promiscuous, I just actually feel guilty leaving him so often for so long and don't want him to resent me... I also get a wandering eye and it puts my heart at ease knowing that's "allowed". I have only ever thought about it, never taken advantage of our arrangement (until very recently) and he has been with people a couple of times. All of these compatibilities led me to the conclusion that he was the one for me. How else could I ever sustain any kind of long term relationship with anyone!? I need to feel free, yet need a home-base from which I can regenerate and create art. I love the consistency of having a caring partner at home, while also having the freedom to pursue my art without guilt. He wants kids, he's not in a rush, he's so even-keel and easy to be with - he makes me feel safe in my volatile artist's life. I have felt really set up for success!

OF COURSE there are many holes in my plan which have recently made themselves abundantly clear. Rewind the clock 4 years... my guy took me on our first date and it was to an underground rave where he got blitzed on drugs and my gut gave me a resounding NO. I told my band mates this "well, nope he's not the one for me, that's a relief" I didn't WANT to meet the one either. Then I went away on tour and crushed on him, then I came back and realized how totally sweet and considerate he was and gave him a second chance. He gently wooed me and made it so easy I couldn't resist.

Over the years our fire burned down to a slow simmer, I hear this is common (and has certainly been common for me). He has actually often been the one to withdraw from me in terms of sex, much to my frustration. It has become a two-way street, our sex life has ebbed to a mere 2 times per month average (often at least one of them I don't even orgasm, just do it more for him)... but we both enjoy cuddling and kissing and I kind of figured maybe that's fine. I am a very sexual person but my sex drive is very fickle and often dies after a couple of years with a partner. Also thought, maybe it's good for me to get a dose of my own medicine! I am usually the one who ends up pulling away. I have known I needed to work on it with him, talk about it... I've attempted to bring it up a few times to no real avail... but it's hard for me to talk about it and admittedly I'd just as soon let it slide most of the time and go on with our lives.

When he proposed, that day a year ago, I was annoyed with him. He was acting in that certain way that gets to me, all agitated and awkward, needing to have a smoke... I had somewhat guessed that he might be going there, it was Christmas eve and we had stayed in a hotel (on his mother's dime). She LOVES me and I love her back. She spoils us and truly treats me like part of the family. I feel so blessed. She wants us to have kids even more than we do (same with my parents). She has always been there behind the scenes helping him, giving him money on valentines or our anniversary, she's a real romantic! Sometimes I feel like I'm dating HER! And I admire her ability to make amazing things happen, she is truly impressive. His whole family feels so close to me. They feel like my family. I have many times been having doubts about our relationship, spent time with him and his family, and then felt like everything was going to be ok. Isn't that often the opposite of how things usually are!? Anyway it was Christmas eve and his whole family knew, probably even helped him organize it. A spa date, a glass of champaign. He asked me and I said yes. No tears, no butterflies... maybe even a slight sinking feeling. It was a practical choice. I couldn't bare to say no! Didn't feel compelled to do so either. I knew his whole family would be there that night, waiting to hear the news. I couldn't ruin Christmas! Also didn't feel sure one way or the other - I do love him, he does fit in my life very well. I figured love takes compromise and work, that's normal. He's the only one who has fit so easily in with my lifestyle and it has just flowed. Maybe true love is a lie, it all comes down to practicality.

So after all my ramblings (thanks for reading this far) here we are. I had told myself that if things didn't go well for my last two tours maybe it was time to make some changes. My fiancé has grown tired of my drama, feeling upset with my music career being so hard and us never having time or money to go on vacations. I'm in debt, I want to start a family one day, my time is running out! The last two tours just so happened to be the best of my life, and I can feel my career amping up more than ever and a deep desire to give it my all. Our wedding is supposed to be in 7 months and nothing is planned or booked yet. I just found out that I have the opportunity to tour Europe this Fall (a life dream of mine) and have begun booking my biggest tour of Canada yet. I feel like this is my shot!

On this last tour, I met with an old friend, near the end. We had always had a close bond and been affectionate with one another, in a totally plutonic way (though we had a certain special spark). He lives in Australia but I met him here, in Canada, just a little before I met my fiancé. At that time he was going through a bad breakup and I was still processing my last breakup so we just hung out and supported each other. He was very broken over her. He's a musician too - a brilliant one. Over the years we've kept in touch and always supported each other when in need, in the kindest and sweetest of ways. When I saw him that night in Melbourne, it was unexpected. I hadn't known if he'd make it to the show and had been focussed on everything else. I had hoped he would! When I saw him, got to hug him and be around him, I felt something strong I hadn't felt before. A powerful attraction. He felt it too. Fireworks. From then on I couldn't eat or sleep... I just wanted to talk to him and be close to him, as we often had done in the past - but now it felt different... I was definitely attracted to him. He is putting an album out too, one we had talked about years ago, now he's strong, happy and healthy. We ended up spending two magical days together and it was completely mind-blowingly amazing for both of us. The way we can talk to each other is something I have rarely experienced but there is also incredible fiery sexual chemistry and connection. Even though this was all technically within the consensual bounds of my relationship, it has completely thrown me for a loop. I feel I'm in love with my old friend. I feel like that must be crazy. I told my fiancé when I got home a few days later... I said I had been with someone and I told him who and how much and that I felt very connected to this old friend/now lover. He just smiled and shrugged it off "I'm glad he was good to you and that you had fun". I said... "thank you but, how do you feel about it that it might happen again - when I tour there again? I just feel a real connection to him, it was really nice" he said "as long as you're here, with me, in my bed, I am fine with that - I don't see him as a threat". At that point I bit my tongue, it was my fiancé birthday tomorrow, maybe this crazy love feeling will fade and I will come back to my senses. I recently bought a famous book on open relationships called "the ethical slut" and I told my fiancé I thought we should both read it and have more open conversations. That's where we left it. Since then I have talked to my old friend (we'll call him OF) every day, insatiably. We talk for hours, we just relive our encounter and old memories, want to know everything about each other and he's so unbelievable. He knew, that first night my situation with my fiancé... he asked before things got physical... he knows everything up to this point but I'm feeling terrible about my fiancé. I just feel like we need to postpone the wedding while I work out the mess of my emotions and focus on my career. He deserves better, he has been there for me in my dark/struggling times and now I feel he is not thriving with me, he has not made any real progress in his life. It's all so confusing. I'm sorry for the novel. This is complex. It helps me to write it all out. I know how selfish I sound and how opportunistic I've been. I have felt a distancing from my fiancé for some time but thought we should do some counselling (which he didn't think we needed) and things would work out. Relationships take work and aren't always amazing and fiery. I do love him, I am so afraid to leave him and upset the balance of our lives.

OP posts:
cardeyscat · 07/02/2018 12:42

Some creative types manage to maintain relationships and families without the idea that we are somehow of a different temperament/ cut from holy cloth. I'm not sure it has much to do with being creative.

This ^^

I'm a touring musician with a family. It's not glamorous or easy. It is fulfilling and worth the stress... at the moment. You sound like you think an awful lot of yourself. Why not ask friends around you what it's like? Why the need to tell a bunch of strangers how wonderful your life is? It doesn't ring true.

GloriousDolores · 07/02/2018 12:53

I think you're gettting a lot of stick because of the way your post reads and you're not getting the same level of enpathy you would have if you'd written it more straightforwardly.

I cant get over the fact some responses are defending your fiance, someone has even called him sweet.

He isn't. He wanted to shag other women and is prepared to let you shag other men to ensure this can happen. Dont marry a man who places so little value on you. It sounds to me like he didnt want to propose but his mother persuaded him to. He probably doesnt want to get married but is afraid of letting them down too.

Don't marry him, not because you're a dick or too immature like you are getting told here, but because you're a people pleaser, and you're probably lovely but while you've been wandering around with your head in the clouds you've got yourself in a bit of a tangle with strings being pulled by lots of people for lots of different reasons and none of them are what's best for you.

Good luck

serialcheat · 07/02/2018 13:16

@Grunkle has summerized everything, brilliantly. You haven't just had your cake and are eating it, you've cleared out the whole damn cake shop.

Maybe in 20 or 30 years you'll be ready for a ' normal ' relationship and be ready to settle down, but I don't think you'll EVER be ready for KID'S.

Kids need love, security and stability, things that go completely against your grain.

Sorry.

CodPuncher · 07/02/2018 13:49

OP one thing I'm not clear about, what is your job? You haven't mentioned once what you do?

dirtybadger · 07/02/2018 13:55

I don't understand why you'd want to get married. You have no children, and no joint finances which might benefit from the legal stuff that comes with marriage. You don't sound like you want a traditional family life (which is fine, I'm not married and childless). So why bother? Not worth the divorce. It might be different if you were desperate to marry your DF, and just wanted to be married for the romance, etc - but that doesn't apply. So don't get married. Then you have as much time as you need to make your decisions. Keep being honest with your DF and see what happens.

I think ideally you'd leave your DF and be single. Your relationship doesn't sound fulfilling or happy, so what's the point? If you leave DF for this other bloke, you'll just be doing the same thing again in a couple of years. It's not a good idea to bounce from one relationship to another.

Freshme · 07/02/2018 15:29

OP, you'll hear lots of good and sober advice here, but some people on the internet seem to be unable to get through the day without trying to put someone down in what to them undoubtedly seems a witty and perceptive way. 🙄

There's also a massive cultural difference at play, an average Brit wouldn't bare their soul in this way, by being ready to do that you become extremely vulnerable, and bullies feast on people like you.😶

Yes, your post was LONG but stop apologising for it. Stop being such a people pleaser. In the end you've already been given some useful advice, and you will get some compassion and understanding from a minority of posters too. People who can't provide advice without being vile are not worth listening to in any life situation.

NotReadyToMove · 07/02/2018 16:22

I’m quite surprised to se that man described as a ‘sweet man’ that the OP is taking advantage off.

As if he had no default at all. Nope, not doing drugs or pushing her into accepting a marriage (the set up was definitively organise so she didn’t feel she can do say NO), nor refusing to have sex with her even before they are married (but still having enough drive to go and find someone else). HmmConfused

StripeyDeckchair · 07/02/2018 22:36

Don't marry him.
The poor guy deserves to marry someone who love him, cares about him & wants to be with him.

You sound like you enjoy the thrill & lust of an early relationship and not the progression into a long term commitment to each other.

Mummyoflittledragon · 08/02/2018 04:26

@PuertoVallarta
I fear there are no men alive who can love like you do. Just as I fear there are no men alive who can love like I do.

Seriously, you’re looking in all the wrong places, finding men, just like op, who are addicted to the adrenaline and thrill of the start of the relationship.

I am a highly sensitive person myself, who I’ve read (cannot confirm the voracity of truth) feels emotions 10 times more than someone, who is not an HSP. You really are talking bollocks. And it’s sad you’ve developed this mindset. My dh isn’t an HSP. But he loves me deeply all the same and is sticking by me through chronic illness and disability.

GlitterUnicornsAndAllThatJazz · 08/02/2018 06:15

OP you're getting an unfairly hard time. I enjoyed your writing style. Ive been in an open relationship with a musician.

My view is one person cannot be all things to their partner. If he gives you comfort abd stability and you love him, keep the relationship as things are, but drop the marriage idea.

Dozer · 08/02/2018 06:23

The band has got a “grant”? From a publicly funded organisation? If so the band is not financially sustainable (yet). The music industry is rough and very few make a decent living.

LizardMonitor · 08/02/2018 07:49

GloriousDolores: the OP calls the DF ‘sweet’, 3 times in tne OP, in fact.

But it is true: HE wanted the open relationship, and you shouldn’t have to feel you have to buy time to your with a free pass for sex elsewhere.

How come a man past 30 has his mother fund his Valentines offerings and your birthday? Does she feel you are the only one who will have him? All those short relationships... why? Maybe he actually likes it that you are away so much.

You and he need to talk. Children put a tremendous extra dimension on a relationship. Any difference, reluctance or resentment will magnify under the demands of parenthood.

I would be very surprised if you would be happy with an open relationship (aka him shagging others) once you are at home with a child.

You need to talk honestly together about what you want. Not how you think you should be or how family would like it, but you two.

And you need to ask yourself how far your OF is the escape, or perhaps consolation prize, from your DF.

Your career chance is NOW. Give yourself 18m to focus on it.

IndigoMoonFlower · 08/02/2018 09:17

Could he be gay and wanting to get married to keep his family happy? Hence, wanting an open relationship and not being interested in sex?

I doubt he REALLY wants to get married and is just going along with what his Mum suggests to make her happy. Being a drug addict can kill your sex drive, so maybe his drugs are his first love. Either way, neither of you are marriage material.

LizardMonitor · 08/02/2018 09:33

I wondered that, Indigo. The gay bit.

allyjay · 08/02/2018 09:45

Did nobody really read one of ops follow up posts about the DF calling from the festival he was at and basically saying he wanted to shag another woman there? Op herself said she thought that was the beginning of the end. ....

Please don't marry him op I think he sounds horrible tbh. A dickhead like a previous poster said. Pursue your career and dump this loser. You deserve more. Best of luck love

hotcrossbuns765 · 08/02/2018 09:59

Jesus wept. Call the wedding off. You love yourself far too much.

LizardMonitor · 08/02/2018 10:51

"He said "oh that's crazy timing, I'm just in a situation at festival where I'd really like to sleep with this girl and I wasn't sure what to do!". So, I granted him permission and never went with anyone myself until now. It was a lot to process and I think it was the beginning of the end. When I got home he seemed distant, less sexual towards me. "

So, you had always been monogamous, he had had only short-lived and open relationships, but was delighted when you told him you wanted a monogamous relationship...then this!

You have your music and a busy touring year, he is a commitment-phobe with a mother desperate to see him married....neither of you can function financially without help from your parents....this is not yet the basis of a relationship leading to marriage and definitely not children.

Freshme · 08/02/2018 13:02

He said it was a girl he wanted to shag, but she never met any of them, did she? It might well have been a guy. However in OP's place I'd prefer it if it was a guy and the whole lack of sex+ promiscuousness on the side was explained by the fact that he's gay. Who knows, maybe his mother is aware(or has her suspicions) that he's gay/bisexual but being desperate for him to procreate/for grandchildren she's doing everything in her power to hitch him before he's come out.
The alternative is that he's forcing the OP's hand into calling his intention to sleep around an "open relationship", because she's such a free spirit and should understand, plus guilt tripping her that he's not "getting anything" when she's on tour (effectively working; while he's at festivals)
However when she's not on tour he's not willing to have sex with her 🙄
If he's gay, he's still using you, OP, but it's a bit less vile and more understandable than if he's heterosexual.
I also didn't like how he put you on the spot with his "proposal" at Christmas with you knowing that the whole family got together and would be waiting with baited breath.😐

That's not a real proposal, that's practically bullying.

GinnyBaker · 08/02/2018 13:14

My God.

Are your songs 35 minutes long?

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PuertoVallarta · 08/02/2018 23:08

I feel like if you were that sensitive as you believe, you wouldn't go around telling other people they are talking bollocks when they share their own experiences.

Either way I'm sorry but this whole message board is testament to the fact that men don't love us as much as we love them. Are all the women here doing all the emotional work and the housework and the endless grooming and the thankless childcare "sad" and looking in the wrong places?

Or am I right that men have rigged the whole game?

Stats seem to be on my side. It's heartbreaking but true.

PuertoVallarta · 08/02/2018 23:09

Above post was meant to be @Mummyoflittledragon

Mummyoflittledragon · 09/02/2018 13:24

@PuertoVallarta
Or perhaps I don’t believe myself to be the subject of a Keats Ballard. La Belle Dame Sans Merci springs to mind.

LightDrizzle · 09/02/2018 15:59

I don’t know the industry and would welcome enlightenment, but I agree with the pp that getting “grants” doesn’t sound like you are on the brink of making it. Surely that means you’ve ticked certain boxes in meeting the criteria of the awarding body and you are not making a living from gigging and selling your music?
Are major labels excited by you? Are you getting decent venues and ticketed gigs with a share to your bands?
Nothing wrong with pursuing a marginal musical career as a life choice, but make sure you aren’t looking with rose tinted spectacles before making decisions based on imminent success.

Honeycombcrunch · 09/02/2018 16:51

Op, do you sing 'doh, re, mi, me, me, me, me, ME?' Smile

I agree with pp that you shouldn't get married or have children until you grow up a bit.