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Cold feet about upcoming wedding... confusion and other man. Unusual relationship.

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MyFickleHeart · 06/02/2018 20:37

Hey there,
I read an amazing thread of similar topic here and was so grateful to hear the helpful advice from everyone so I thought I'd ask my questions here too. I have been engaged to my fiancé (BF of 4 years) for just over a year. We have recently moved into our first home (thanks to help from both of our parents) and got adorable cats we've been raising since kittens a year ago. I am a touring musician and my career has been picking up really heavily lately with my two touring original projects! At the same time I'm 33 (going on 34) and we're thinking about kids. My life dream has always been to take music as far as I can and I know that although I am fit and feel in the prime of my life, my music career also has an expiry in the capacity that I am doing it now. I have also always wanted children. I have had a lot of struggles with band dynamics (mental illness in two band members and serious health issues for them too) that have made it so heartbreakingly frustrating to move forward. Despite this, THIS YEAR my prayers were answered and my career is taking off! Both my bands got grants (against the odds) and have awesome albums out and tour opportunities. My band mates are on the road to recovery and I am thrilled to finally be living my life dream (somewhat unexpectedly). Unfortunately this has lead to some confusion of the heart.

My fiancé is a very sweet, gentle and supportive character. He came into my life when I wasn't looking at all for a partner... I had broken up with a great love of my life about 9 months prior and about to go on my first tour of Australia (I have now just finished my 4th). I have been a serial monogamist my whole life. I always feel good and happy with myself when I'm single and it feels right to dedicate my life to my art and personal health/growth. I am a romantic though and most of my partners have been adoring and kind men who were just not right for me in the end. I don't consider myself to have a fear of commitment, per se, just a fickle heart! I fall madly for them and then, over time the magic fades and either they, or I, find someone else who renews our passion and we part ways. I am guilty, often, of hanging on too long because I want to make them happy and meet their expectations. Also guilty of falling into resentment and dishonesty (though I'm not a cheater, I often get a wandering eye).

With my current fiancé (I have never been engaged previously) it seemed so perfect because he's so independent. He was only in open relationships before me and so when I said I wanted to be monogamous he was thrilled. He'd never had a long-term girlfriend beyond a few months (I can't imagine why, he's only 3 years younger than me and attractive/sweet). We talked about an open relationship early on and it made sense (arose totally organically) that we pursue that when I'm away on tour. I'm not overly promiscuous, I just actually feel guilty leaving him so often for so long and don't want him to resent me... I also get a wandering eye and it puts my heart at ease knowing that's "allowed". I have only ever thought about it, never taken advantage of our arrangement (until very recently) and he has been with people a couple of times. All of these compatibilities led me to the conclusion that he was the one for me. How else could I ever sustain any kind of long term relationship with anyone!? I need to feel free, yet need a home-base from which I can regenerate and create art. I love the consistency of having a caring partner at home, while also having the freedom to pursue my art without guilt. He wants kids, he's not in a rush, he's so even-keel and easy to be with - he makes me feel safe in my volatile artist's life. I have felt really set up for success!

OF COURSE there are many holes in my plan which have recently made themselves abundantly clear. Rewind the clock 4 years... my guy took me on our first date and it was to an underground rave where he got blitzed on drugs and my gut gave me a resounding NO. I told my band mates this "well, nope he's not the one for me, that's a relief" I didn't WANT to meet the one either. Then I went away on tour and crushed on him, then I came back and realized how totally sweet and considerate he was and gave him a second chance. He gently wooed me and made it so easy I couldn't resist.

Over the years our fire burned down to a slow simmer, I hear this is common (and has certainly been common for me). He has actually often been the one to withdraw from me in terms of sex, much to my frustration. It has become a two-way street, our sex life has ebbed to a mere 2 times per month average (often at least one of them I don't even orgasm, just do it more for him)... but we both enjoy cuddling and kissing and I kind of figured maybe that's fine. I am a very sexual person but my sex drive is very fickle and often dies after a couple of years with a partner. Also thought, maybe it's good for me to get a dose of my own medicine! I am usually the one who ends up pulling away. I have known I needed to work on it with him, talk about it... I've attempted to bring it up a few times to no real avail... but it's hard for me to talk about it and admittedly I'd just as soon let it slide most of the time and go on with our lives.

When he proposed, that day a year ago, I was annoyed with him. He was acting in that certain way that gets to me, all agitated and awkward, needing to have a smoke... I had somewhat guessed that he might be going there, it was Christmas eve and we had stayed in a hotel (on his mother's dime). She LOVES me and I love her back. She spoils us and truly treats me like part of the family. I feel so blessed. She wants us to have kids even more than we do (same with my parents). She has always been there behind the scenes helping him, giving him money on valentines or our anniversary, she's a real romantic! Sometimes I feel like I'm dating HER! And I admire her ability to make amazing things happen, she is truly impressive. His whole family feels so close to me. They feel like my family. I have many times been having doubts about our relationship, spent time with him and his family, and then felt like everything was going to be ok. Isn't that often the opposite of how things usually are!? Anyway it was Christmas eve and his whole family knew, probably even helped him organize it. A spa date, a glass of champaign. He asked me and I said yes. No tears, no butterflies... maybe even a slight sinking feeling. It was a practical choice. I couldn't bare to say no! Didn't feel compelled to do so either. I knew his whole family would be there that night, waiting to hear the news. I couldn't ruin Christmas! Also didn't feel sure one way or the other - I do love him, he does fit in my life very well. I figured love takes compromise and work, that's normal. He's the only one who has fit so easily in with my lifestyle and it has just flowed. Maybe true love is a lie, it all comes down to practicality.

So after all my ramblings (thanks for reading this far) here we are. I had told myself that if things didn't go well for my last two tours maybe it was time to make some changes. My fiancé has grown tired of my drama, feeling upset with my music career being so hard and us never having time or money to go on vacations. I'm in debt, I want to start a family one day, my time is running out! The last two tours just so happened to be the best of my life, and I can feel my career amping up more than ever and a deep desire to give it my all. Our wedding is supposed to be in 7 months and nothing is planned or booked yet. I just found out that I have the opportunity to tour Europe this Fall (a life dream of mine) and have begun booking my biggest tour of Canada yet. I feel like this is my shot!

On this last tour, I met with an old friend, near the end. We had always had a close bond and been affectionate with one another, in a totally plutonic way (though we had a certain special spark). He lives in Australia but I met him here, in Canada, just a little before I met my fiancé. At that time he was going through a bad breakup and I was still processing my last breakup so we just hung out and supported each other. He was very broken over her. He's a musician too - a brilliant one. Over the years we've kept in touch and always supported each other when in need, in the kindest and sweetest of ways. When I saw him that night in Melbourne, it was unexpected. I hadn't known if he'd make it to the show and had been focussed on everything else. I had hoped he would! When I saw him, got to hug him and be around him, I felt something strong I hadn't felt before. A powerful attraction. He felt it too. Fireworks. From then on I couldn't eat or sleep... I just wanted to talk to him and be close to him, as we often had done in the past - but now it felt different... I was definitely attracted to him. He is putting an album out too, one we had talked about years ago, now he's strong, happy and healthy. We ended up spending two magical days together and it was completely mind-blowingly amazing for both of us. The way we can talk to each other is something I have rarely experienced but there is also incredible fiery sexual chemistry and connection. Even though this was all technically within the consensual bounds of my relationship, it has completely thrown me for a loop. I feel I'm in love with my old friend. I feel like that must be crazy. I told my fiancé when I got home a few days later... I said I had been with someone and I told him who and how much and that I felt very connected to this old friend/now lover. He just smiled and shrugged it off "I'm glad he was good to you and that you had fun". I said... "thank you but, how do you feel about it that it might happen again - when I tour there again? I just feel a real connection to him, it was really nice" he said "as long as you're here, with me, in my bed, I am fine with that - I don't see him as a threat". At that point I bit my tongue, it was my fiancé birthday tomorrow, maybe this crazy love feeling will fade and I will come back to my senses. I recently bought a famous book on open relationships called "the ethical slut" and I told my fiancé I thought we should both read it and have more open conversations. That's where we left it. Since then I have talked to my old friend (we'll call him OF) every day, insatiably. We talk for hours, we just relive our encounter and old memories, want to know everything about each other and he's so unbelievable. He knew, that first night my situation with my fiancé... he asked before things got physical... he knows everything up to this point but I'm feeling terrible about my fiancé. I just feel like we need to postpone the wedding while I work out the mess of my emotions and focus on my career. He deserves better, he has been there for me in my dark/struggling times and now I feel he is not thriving with me, he has not made any real progress in his life. It's all so confusing. I'm sorry for the novel. This is complex. It helps me to write it all out. I know how selfish I sound and how opportunistic I've been. I have felt a distancing from my fiancé for some time but thought we should do some counselling (which he didn't think we needed) and things would work out. Relationships take work and aren't always amazing and fiery. I do love him, I am so afraid to leave him and upset the balance of our lives.

OP posts:
Angelf1sh · 07/02/2018 05:47

Well that was exhausting.

  1. Do not marry him. You don’t love him and you’ll end up getting divorced and that’s expensive. Just divide your assets now and part as friends.

  2. you don’t love this new guy either, it’s just lust. Stop confusing the two.

  3. take some time alone for a while and focus on your career. See how far it can go.

  4. don’t think about kids until you know where your career might take you. If you have a kid now you’ll resent it for eternity because you’ll always blame it for stopping you from touring just as you were about to take off. You’ll never know if you’ll hit the big time if you have a kid now but I guarantee that you’ll believe you would have and you’ll be bitter about it. It’s not fair on the kid. Succeed or fail as a musician and then think about kids because that way you’ll know.

  5. also recognise a bit more that you’ve behaved badly here. You’ve kind of led your fiancé on a bit tbh. You’re only engaged because you like his mum and didn’t want to ruin Christmas, you don’t really see the point of being married and haven’t done anything to organise it but you’re letting him still think it’s all happening. That’s not fair.

Angelf1sh · 07/02/2018 05:48

That last one should be 5) but I’m tired.

MistressDeeCee · 07/02/2018 06:17

Hi OP. Ex Artiste here (well I still dabble in it). I've been where you've been so -

When those grants and bookings roll in, it's heady. Fulfilment of your dreams. I had so much fun although at times it was incredibly hard work - as you know gigs aren't all 'magical' there's a lot of standing around after a long journey, knackered and having to get into 'show mode'. But - you're living your dream.

However, life being what it is we grow older sooner than we think. It sounds like a clichr but it truly isnt. You blink and the years have gone. I ended up almost 50, long divorced, no relationship, and not ashamed to say I did want a relationship. All my band members were settled - they're men (sometimes wonder if it's easier for men in different ways). I'd had relationships along the way but fraught with tension as they didn't like me gigging, being away etc & a couple were plain envious. To do with me being free-er than them in the way I worked. Or silly suspicions

I'm now 54, settled for last 5 years. He's an ex Artiste so we "get" each other totally. But it's not mainly about that - in my 20s-40s my work was my dream. As more years passed, things shifted and I realised actually, it wasn't and couldn't be 'everything' in life. Not when you are no longer young. Now, I do the occasional workshops and I'm happy with that. Happy with OH.

You sound very restless. You have an open relationship but that's still not enough for you. You've reconnected with this old friend - but you're still going to be away touring, and busy, aren't you? So it very likely won't work.

We all know what we want deep down. It's hard to face but you have to go with that. If you know you don't really want your partner and the whole set up, you won't mind him not being there to come home to in between your work etc, then let him go. Go out there have your fun.

If you do want him then try to make it work. He at least sounds amenable to your lifestyle. Hes not trying to block your path. His family are good. There really was no need at all for you to drill his brain with all that stuff about this other man.

Be honest about what you want from life now. But just remember the distant future lands quicker than you think it will, and as far as possible you want the memories you build to be happy ones. It's easy to end up alone. Not that I'm suggesting having a man is the be all and end all. But you're in a relationship so I guess you want one hence my comments.

CoolCarrie · 07/02/2018 06:34

Get a grip OP!

Mummyoflittledragon · 07/02/2018 06:40

Give the ring back.

Set yourself free.

Admit to yourself that emotionally you function like the average teenager.

Don’t have kids until you know you’re ready. Why are you submitting to the whims of others, who want kids more than you?

If you want to grow up, get therapy. If you don’t, great.

Right now your addicted to the thrill of a new, shiny relationship. They wear thin after about 2 years and you end up going for another and it’s oooh so exciting (orgasm orgasm). If you don’t grow up, you will repeat the cycle again and again.

falsepriest · 07/02/2018 07:15

Coming Winter 2018, directed by Richard Curtis.

Offred · 07/02/2018 07:25

I do want that dream, a family, a home

IMO you do not want a family and a home really. You like the idea of it, you are perhaps attracted to said idea because of what you feel it might say about you but in reality there is absolutely no way at all that being the way you are is compatible with serious commitments, especially children. If you want a child you should ask yourself what the child would get out of being born to you, not vague things like dreaming about a family.

I had secretly hoped that making that extra commitment and just CHOOSING someone who I knew was great, would smack some sense into me and help me just commit and stay committed through hard times. Hoped that we could then build a solid foundation for a family.

It doesn’t work like that.

I also thought that realistically maybe my music career wasn't going anywhere and it was time to change gears soon. I know those are probably a really immature ideas. At the end of the day, I am who I am.

This is pretty awful TBH. And no, none of this is about who you are it’s about what you choose to do. There is absolutely known reason why you can’t be who you are without choosing to use other people and play with their feelings and lives.

I realize I was kind of throwing myself to the wolves as this is whole "open relationship" thing really isn't the average situation, especially in these kinds of forums.

It’s not the open relationship. It’s the dishonesty and manipulative behaviour and, to be frank, the immaturity.

user1474652148 · 07/02/2018 07:42

You lack maturity and are not remotely ready for marriage or a family. Whilst you are revelling in the drama it would be unfair to bring a child into such a toxic unstable environment

blackberryfairy · 07/02/2018 07:44

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grobagsforever · 07/02/2018 07:46

Thanks OP I needed a chuckle. What a load of self indulgence twaddle.

CallMeOnMyCell · 07/02/2018 07:47

You sound like a teenager. End it with your fiancé and enjoy being single. Marriage and babies and all that come with it aren’t compatible with your lifestyle right now and your desire for an open relationship. When you have children you have to put them first, every time, and you aren’t in the right place to do that.

Offred · 07/02/2018 08:00

Yeah, well that’s the thing I think call. Children need you to be ready and willing to fit yourself and your life around them. Too many people have children and think they can make the child fit around them.

Huskylover1 · 07/02/2018 08:26

It's quite clear to me what you should do. Break up with your fiance and pursue your career, and shag whoever you want. Simples.

Your fiance is not the "one". He doesn't care if you fuck other men. He doesn't even care if you feel you are falling for your friend. Similarly you don't care if he fucks other women. Hardly Mills and Boon, is it? You are not passionately in love with him, so to get married would be a colossal mistake. Either break up with him, or, if you are not ready for that, tell him the wedding plans must go on hold, whilst you see where these latest career moves will take you, because that has to have your 100% focus. I highly doubt he will be bothered, as he can get high on drugs and fuck a load of other women, whilst you are off doing that.

You clearly aren't ready for children. Your lifestyle is not compatible to being pregnant and raising tiny humans. You've not even really raised your own cats, if you've been off on tour for most of the time since you got them. So either your fiance has done that, or they've been in a cattery?

You are almost 34. I doubt you'll have kids tbh. By the time you've finished all this pursuing of your music career, that ship will have well and truly sailed. Yes, yes, some women do have kids in their 40's, but in the main your reproductive system falls off a cliff at 35. Just bear this is mind.

AgathaF · 07/02/2018 08:40

I don't think I've articulated myself properly - I don't think you have either.

In a nutshell, you're engaged and share a house part-time with someone who you are at best luke warm about. You like his overbearing family though. He shags around, you've shagged someone else. You're lusting after the guy you shagged. You're wondering if this is a good basis for a happy married life.

I'd say that it isn't.

Wellfuckmeinbothears · 07/02/2018 08:42

Hi op,

You've had some blunt comments on here but in honesty they're quite correct. You are self obsessed. You describe yourself as a dreamy romantic but I don't think you are. I think you want to have it all. The sweet attentive fiance at home who lets you sleep with whoever you want while you're on tour...the old friend who feeds your ego. You are not ready to have children. You are not ready to get married. Break up with your fiance, give him the chance to meet someone who will be faithful to him.

rocketgirl22 · 07/02/2018 08:52

agatha may have just summed it up beautifully.

Go and enjoy your life and band, this is never ever going to work. Come back in five years when you are ready for marriage and babies.

0ccamsRazor · 07/02/2018 08:54

After reading the responses Op, what do you think that you will do?

Do you take on board what pp are saying to you?

notapizzaeater · 07/02/2018 08:56

I think you think you want the mills and boon romance but in real,life it's not like that.

NotReadyToMove · 07/02/2018 08:59

give him the chance to meet someone who will be faithful to him.
If I understood well, the fiancé had open relationhsips before meeting the OP and has had sex with other women too.
So the faithfulness in the way most people are thinking about isn’t there in this relationhsip.

PipGirl404 · 07/02/2018 09:01

What the fuck did I just read?!

Wellfuckmeinbothears · 07/02/2018 09:02

I realise that but in the op it said that he was delighted with the prospect of a monogamous relationship and it was the op who suggested the open relationship whilst she was away on tour. I interpreted that as him actually wanting a traditional monogamous relationship but I may have been wrong, its a very long post!

IndigoMoonFlower · 07/02/2018 09:04

So, why is his Mum paying for dates? Why not him? Why is she being so nice to you, is is because she's desperate for him to settle down? OP you mentioned that he has not grown or developed, but you have. I think you owe it to yourself to set yourself free from this relationship, even though his mum does pay for "nice dates" Is this even a grown up relationship if his Mum has to organise him going on dates?? Quote " it was Christmas eve and we had stayed in a hotel (on his mother's dime). She LOVES me and I love her back."

Offred · 07/02/2018 09:04

Come back in five years when you are ready for marriage and babies.

Oh god no don’t! I think you would do well to understand that the choice you are making now, in your mid thirties, is to focus on your career (which is incompatible with children) and that means it is unlikely you will have children.

IrisAtwood · 07/02/2018 09:05

I would look for a good editor and think about introducing some novelty.

GriefLeavesItsMark · 07/02/2018 09:08

A man who stays at home and looks after the cats while you tour Australia is a keeper. I didn't even know Australia had a touring circuit. I mean, apart from men with hats and the cast of neighbours, does Australia even have music?