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Friend's son serious mental health issues

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nc1984 · 26/12/2017 22:52

NC for this as quite outing. Wasn't sure where to post but thought relationships might be appropriate.
My friend's son is in his early 20s. He was super bright all through school (described by his physics teacher as the brightest pupil he'd ever come across) and sailed through all his exams, 11 A GCSEs, 5 A* A levels, and on to a top university.
He has always been quiet and introverted, but when he went to uni he seemed to cut off completely from his mum, dad and stepdad. He came home once in first year and then basically didn't come home after that. Purely by chance, when a letter was sent to his home address in error from the university, they found out he had changed his name. He went ballistic when challenged about it, and said it was nothing to do with them. He did an internship abroad at the end of his second year, and then at the beginning of his final year he announced he was dropping out of uni. I suspect he was kicked out, as it has since come out that he never attended lectures or tutorials after first year.
He stayed in his university city, but then vanished. His family reported him as a missing person, and the police did find him, but as he is an adult and did not want them to know where he was, they couldn't give any details. They have recently found out that he was initially sofa-surfing and then living on the streets and eating out of skips behind supermarkets.
In August he turned up unannounced at his mum's, after no contact for nearly two years. He moved back into his old room but is a mess. He barely talks, he doesn't wash or eat properly, he has no income, refuses to sign on, and he is aggressive and violent. He's threatened to kill his mum. They are scared of him, and tiptoe around their own house speaking in hushed voices. He refuses to get medical help, and my friend asked me to have a word with him (I was pretty close to him when he was younger and I was one of the few people he would talk to, even though it's about 3 years since I've seen him).
I knocked on his door and opened it just tosay hello. I was really shocked. The stench made me gag - I've worked with homeless people and they were never as bad as this! Apparently he hasn't changed his clothes or bedding for a couple of months and his mum had found dozens of bottles of urine hidden in his room. He refused point blank to speak to me. He was gaunt and skeletal, his hair was greasy and matted, and he scarcely had the energy to sit up (his mum called on me when he hadn't eaten for several days, and wasn't taking any fluids).
I went downstairs and said that I really think he needs perhaps to be sectioned. He obviously thought I'd left and stormed downstairs screaming at his mum that she had no right to tell anyone about him, and that he'd fucking kill her. He was really shocked when he saw me walk out of the kitchen and realised I'd heard all this, and ran back upstairs.
It's affecting his mum and stepdad's health (his father has washed his hands of him, says he can't cope with him), but they say that as he's not registered with a doctor they can't do anything. My friend said she was worried about what the neighbours would think (wtf??! This is so not like her!) if ambulance and police came to section him and I'm afraid I lost it and said well what would they think if she or her son were carried out in a body bag, as I can see that happening if he doesn't get help.
I'm at a loss as to what to do - does anyone have any experience of mental health intervention for adults? I really do think he needs to be in hospital.

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cakeymccakington · 26/12/2017 22:55

Even before I got to the point where you mentioned it yourself my feeling was that to get help he's going to need to be sectioned.
I'm not sure what the first step in that is, but it would definitely be something I'd look into

nc1984 · 26/12/2017 22:58

I agree - I think his parents are so tied up in this that they cannot see that they need to take some serious action. His mum is terrified he'll go back on the streets.

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Cricrichan · 26/12/2017 23:01

Your friend needs to speak to professionals but it sounds like he definitely needs to be sectioned.

nc1984 · 26/12/2017 23:03

She's got an appointment to talk to her doctor about it in January but I think something needs to be done before then. It's both terrifying and heartbreaking.

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Mincepies76 · 26/12/2017 23:03

The family start with the GP, they can request a mental health act assessment.

Katescurios · 26/12/2017 23:04

Found this and it seems that the first step is to have him seen by a medical professional.

www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/AboutNHSservices/mental-health-services-explained/Pages/mental-health-emergencies.aspx

It seems unlikely that your friends will be able to convince him to go to a GP given what you've described so I would suggest either

  • calling 111 And asking for a home visit
  • calling GP tomorrow and asking for a home visit
  • calling 999 although I would say this is only reasonable if he collapses from the lack of food/fluid

Sounds like a really difficult situation.

cakeymccakington · 26/12/2017 23:06

They could call 999 if he's being aggressive and violent because he would be posing a threat to them/ himself.

Going via the GP is probably the "nicer" way to do it though.

I hope he gets the help he needs.

nc1984 · 26/12/2017 23:08

I was tempted to call 999 myself when he raised a fist and threatened her. I wish I had now.

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cestlavielife · 26/12/2017 23:11

Given that he is clearly unstable and has threatened to kill then you should take it seriously and call the police.

Do nothing and you coukd be wishing you did som.ething...

So the neighbours may talk ?
Better that than a worst case scenario...

He needs help
The mother is at risk

Call 101 to report. Now.

cestlavielife · 26/12/2017 23:11

It s not too late to report this.

Stillme1 · 26/12/2017 23:12

Could you phone Out of Hours for some advice?
I also think that you could speak to Police on the non emergency number to discuss the fact that you were present and heard clearly that the son has threatened the life of your friend.
What about a call to Out of Hours Social Work?
It is heart breaking for you to see a boy your have known for years to be in this state now. However it is a whole lot worse for his own mum. If it was me I would be making calls all night to try to help my friend. This is absolutely awful

cestlavielife · 26/12/2017 23:13

You can also call the adult social services emergency number via your local council.

nc1984 · 26/12/2017 23:13

My friend seems to have lost all rational thought over this. She begged me not to involve anyone else (meaning police/social services/mental health services) but I fear I will have no option but to do so.

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wishiknewthen · 26/12/2017 23:14

This is more than a breakdown. This is extreme - (psychotic?) behaviour.
He needs to be sectioned without a doubt. This must be devastating for your friends.

cakeymccakington · 26/12/2017 23:15

It's going to be hard for her. She might feel she'll be judged badly or that she's "failed" him.
But this isn't going to go away.

Can you speak to her tomorrow and encourage her to speak to the GP or whoever?

If not then do it yourself

cestlavielife · 26/12/2017 23:19

You need to get ypur friend out of this situation and clearly the best way is to get the son taken to hospital for assessment.
I don't think wair8ng til tomorrow or til January is an option given what you have witnessed...better to overreact

(When my ex was ill with mh and aggressive I waited so many days. Oh i eill wsit til mornong etc....should have dialled 999 much sooner. You can do this and know you might be saving both their lives...)

nc1984 · 26/12/2017 23:20

I'm going to call round first thing tomorrow and tell her my concerns. It feels like doing nothing is not an option at all - im scared for him and my friend.

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cestlavielife · 26/12/2017 23:21

It s safeguarding her and him.
Call duty social worker now and talk it through if you don't want to call 999 or 101.
The situation wont improve by ignoring it.
He may lash out and harm her.
You can't ignore this.

cestlavielife · 26/12/2017 23:22

Tomortow may be too late.
Call someone now.

BreezedriftingOnBy · 26/12/2017 23:29

What area are you in OP? You need the OOH mental health/ crisis team. If you tell us your area some of us should be able to locate the right number for you (different names in different areas).

nc1984 · 26/12/2017 23:30

I'm in Yorkshire. Going to call OOH team for advice.

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cestlavielife · 26/12/2017 23:32

Good
You need to pass the responsibility onto professionals whether your friend likes it or not...to protect her and get help for him.
Emphasize the threats to kill.

NK1cf53daaX127805d4fd5 · 26/12/2017 23:34

He needs to be sectioned and he needs to be sectioned now. I agree out of hours services need to be rung. It doesn't matter what she says, they are all at risk

BreezedriftingOnBy · 26/12/2017 23:38

Agree previous poster- threats to kill, self neglect incl. neglect to eat several days, and urine in room etc... all very worrying.

Poor, poor kid, he will have had a horrendous and traumatic few years most likely.

MotherofaSurvivor · 26/12/2017 23:38

NC1984 Harrogate or surrounding areas by any chance OP? If so I have the Crisis Team number x

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