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Friend's son serious mental health issues

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nc1984 · 26/12/2017 22:52

NC for this as quite outing. Wasn't sure where to post but thought relationships might be appropriate.
My friend's son is in his early 20s. He was super bright all through school (described by his physics teacher as the brightest pupil he'd ever come across) and sailed through all his exams, 11 A GCSEs, 5 A* A levels, and on to a top university.
He has always been quiet and introverted, but when he went to uni he seemed to cut off completely from his mum, dad and stepdad. He came home once in first year and then basically didn't come home after that. Purely by chance, when a letter was sent to his home address in error from the university, they found out he had changed his name. He went ballistic when challenged about it, and said it was nothing to do with them. He did an internship abroad at the end of his second year, and then at the beginning of his final year he announced he was dropping out of uni. I suspect he was kicked out, as it has since come out that he never attended lectures or tutorials after first year.
He stayed in his university city, but then vanished. His family reported him as a missing person, and the police did find him, but as he is an adult and did not want them to know where he was, they couldn't give any details. They have recently found out that he was initially sofa-surfing and then living on the streets and eating out of skips behind supermarkets.
In August he turned up unannounced at his mum's, after no contact for nearly two years. He moved back into his old room but is a mess. He barely talks, he doesn't wash or eat properly, he has no income, refuses to sign on, and he is aggressive and violent. He's threatened to kill his mum. They are scared of him, and tiptoe around their own house speaking in hushed voices. He refuses to get medical help, and my friend asked me to have a word with him (I was pretty close to him when he was younger and I was one of the few people he would talk to, even though it's about 3 years since I've seen him).
I knocked on his door and opened it just tosay hello. I was really shocked. The stench made me gag - I've worked with homeless people and they were never as bad as this! Apparently he hasn't changed his clothes or bedding for a couple of months and his mum had found dozens of bottles of urine hidden in his room. He refused point blank to speak to me. He was gaunt and skeletal, his hair was greasy and matted, and he scarcely had the energy to sit up (his mum called on me when he hadn't eaten for several days, and wasn't taking any fluids).
I went downstairs and said that I really think he needs perhaps to be sectioned. He obviously thought I'd left and stormed downstairs screaming at his mum that she had no right to tell anyone about him, and that he'd fucking kill her. He was really shocked when he saw me walk out of the kitchen and realised I'd heard all this, and ran back upstairs.
It's affecting his mum and stepdad's health (his father has washed his hands of him, says he can't cope with him), but they say that as he's not registered with a doctor they can't do anything. My friend said she was worried about what the neighbours would think (wtf??! This is so not like her!) if ambulance and police came to section him and I'm afraid I lost it and said well what would they think if she or her son were carried out in a body bag, as I can see that happening if he doesn't get help.
I'm at a loss as to what to do - does anyone have any experience of mental health intervention for adults? I really do think he needs to be in hospital.

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Lizzie48 · 27/12/2017 14:38

It's really good that they have you to look out for them. You're a really good friend. Hope that young man gets the help that he desperately needs. Thanks

AFistfulOfDolores · 27/12/2017 14:51

I'm glad that something's being done, OP - I'll be surprised if he isn't sectioned given what you've written. It sounds psychotic, yes; perhaps schizophrenia, in which case I sincerely hope he starts getting help immediately.

Lizzie48 · 27/12/2017 15:02

Medication will really help, if it is schizophrenia. It could make such a difference to his life, as well as to your friend's.

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 27/12/2017 15:46

My Dd (23) has schizophrenia. What you describe sounds similar to what she described. We were lucky though, in that she was aware she had a problem and always asked for help. She takes her meds and when things spiral beyond what she can cope with, she knows to ask to be hospitalized (8 times).

Your friend's son does not appear to have that insight. It is a good thing you have acted and have gotten your friend to intervene on his behalf. Even against his will, it is necessary. He may be suffering delusions so "help" may been seen by him to be the enemy.

Your friend needs support to cope with this, which may be beyond what you can do for her as a friend. Please suggest to her to seek counseling for herself. It has been invaluable for me. But also, having you is an awesome support because of the continued stigmatism around mental health patients. Just remember that this young man did not choose for this to happen to him. It is an all-round tragedy.

Lizzie48 · 27/12/2017 16:16

I do agree with PPs that your friend needs to be completely honest. If they think she can be his carer, he won't get the help he needs, unless he's deemed a danger to himself or others. Then he'll be sectioned for 28 days, but after that, they'll be only too happy to palm him off if she says she can cope. That's how 'care in the community' works.

My brother has serious MH issues (diagnosed residual schizophrenia, though probably PTSD because of childhood SA, which DSis and I also have, though we can function). He has a flat through 'Community Links' ie sheltered housing. They don't actually do anything. My DM (78) manages this by paying for a cleaner. He was nearly chucked out because of the flat being infested with rats, he really can't cope on his own. She goes to Africa on charity work, so we get drawn in if she isn't around.

My DB is abusive with my DM, she felt like she was having a stroke not all that long ago when dealing with him. She has someone else on board now to help with the finances, plus she's finally had his PIP application approved so hopefully that will make a difference. She's away again now so we'll see how it all works in practice.

My point is, it's a tough situation and, whatever help your friend's DS gets, it will be a lifetime problem. She really must be totally honest when he's being assessed and not give the impression that she can cope. Because they will be only too happy to leave her to it! She really needs to spell out how difficult it is, which is very hard but for her own sake as well as his, she needs to be completely honest about it.

Thanks for them and for you. It's s horrible process.

Footle · 27/12/2017 16:50

I have no advice but I feel for everyone involved, and am hoping very hard that your courage in helping her get help is matched by some strong action by the crisis team.

bluesu · 27/12/2017 17:03

OP you totally did the right thing. This must be so hard for your friends. I hope he gets the help he needs

Sinuhe · 27/12/2017 17:24

Well done OP- you are a great friend! Flowers

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 27/12/2017 18:35

I second the advice to have your friend keep the paper trail. Include in that collection documents associated with admissions/discharges and medications and any written diagnosis he might receive, and perhaps copies of costs and billings. They may come in handy when applying for disability. (However, I am in U.S. so it is probably different over there.)

nc1984 · 27/12/2017 21:11

Two nurses from the mental health team came round and he refused to engage with them at all. It looks like he's going to be sectioned tomorrow (no beds in any of the centres in our area tonight). A psychiatrist is going round tomorrow to action this as far as we know. My friend is scared her son will disappear though! The doors are locked, but he has a key so they are sleeping downstairs tonight so he can't just sneak out. He knows something is up but doesn't know about the sectioning. He is furious with me for "interfering "!

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nc1984 · 27/12/2017 21:24

Oh and his waster of a dad (recovering alcoholic) rang me up to have a go at me about interfering! He's only concerned that details of his behaviour when my friend's son was a child will come out (serious alcoholism they split when he was 6 but he saw a lot of his dad in drink). Told the self absorbed twat to fuck off!

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SnowFairyDust · 27/12/2017 21:40

Ah OP you've done brilliantly, let us know how you get on, I hope the situation is much improved for everybody very soon.

Thedietstartsnow · 27/12/2017 21:45

My autistic son has been similar to this in the past when very stressed.i think this young person needs sectioning ,and an evaluation of his mental health

Footle · 27/12/2017 22:30

nc1984, congrats again on 'interfering'. Let's hope the psych gets there in time.

Haribogirl · 27/12/2017 22:32

That’s excellent service from Mht, staying all night in your house wow
Your lucky if you can get to see anybody in my area

nc1984 · 27/12/2017 22:34

Haribogirl it's his parents who are sleeping downstairs, not the nurses!

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Mcgieml3 · 27/12/2017 22:47

Very brave! Hope it is ok tomorrow...

Offred · 27/12/2017 22:51

I’m very glad they have responded by taking this appropriately seriously.

I think the son is probably too unwell to realise how unwell he is.

Well done for ‘interfering’ OP and I’m glad your friend is supportive of this.

It can be very scary to open yourself up to this kind of scrutiny with your own child but it is so important to get outside help.

Flowers
Pannacott · 27/12/2017 23:47

Good for you doing this. I hope he gets into hospital and gets some thorough assessment and treatment.

Pandoraphile · 27/12/2017 23:56

Bless you for doing that. I think your actions will have an incomprehensible benefit to that family, especially the poor son who is clearly very unwell (MH sufferer myself). Do please keep us updated. All the best Thanks

mogulfield · 27/12/2017 23:57

Good for you Op, he’ll thank you one day when he’s better Flowers

littletinyme1 · 27/12/2017 23:58

They are very lucky to have you as a friend.Star

PsychedelicSheep · 28/12/2017 10:07

Yes well done for ‘interfering’ and being willing to stick your neck out rather than passively hoping things improve somehow.

It does sound as though she’s showing some of the ‘negative’ symptoms of psychosis/schizophrenia, right age of onset too. Here’s hoping he gets better with the right treatment and support.

OnTheRise · 28/12/2017 18:30

Yes well done for ‘interfering’ and being willing to stick your neck out rather than passively hoping things improve somehow.

This. You've done well, OP. At last he might get some proper help. Poor bloke.

Reflexella · 28/12/2017 18:45

Well done - good to hear that you got a good response from services x
You’ve done the right thing.
Meds could change his life.

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