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Friend's son serious mental health issues

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nc1984 · 26/12/2017 22:52

NC for this as quite outing. Wasn't sure where to post but thought relationships might be appropriate.
My friend's son is in his early 20s. He was super bright all through school (described by his physics teacher as the brightest pupil he'd ever come across) and sailed through all his exams, 11 A GCSEs, 5 A* A levels, and on to a top university.
He has always been quiet and introverted, but when he went to uni he seemed to cut off completely from his mum, dad and stepdad. He came home once in first year and then basically didn't come home after that. Purely by chance, when a letter was sent to his home address in error from the university, they found out he had changed his name. He went ballistic when challenged about it, and said it was nothing to do with them. He did an internship abroad at the end of his second year, and then at the beginning of his final year he announced he was dropping out of uni. I suspect he was kicked out, as it has since come out that he never attended lectures or tutorials after first year.
He stayed in his university city, but then vanished. His family reported him as a missing person, and the police did find him, but as he is an adult and did not want them to know where he was, they couldn't give any details. They have recently found out that he was initially sofa-surfing and then living on the streets and eating out of skips behind supermarkets.
In August he turned up unannounced at his mum's, after no contact for nearly two years. He moved back into his old room but is a mess. He barely talks, he doesn't wash or eat properly, he has no income, refuses to sign on, and he is aggressive and violent. He's threatened to kill his mum. They are scared of him, and tiptoe around their own house speaking in hushed voices. He refuses to get medical help, and my friend asked me to have a word with him (I was pretty close to him when he was younger and I was one of the few people he would talk to, even though it's about 3 years since I've seen him).
I knocked on his door and opened it just tosay hello. I was really shocked. The stench made me gag - I've worked with homeless people and they were never as bad as this! Apparently he hasn't changed his clothes or bedding for a couple of months and his mum had found dozens of bottles of urine hidden in his room. He refused point blank to speak to me. He was gaunt and skeletal, his hair was greasy and matted, and he scarcely had the energy to sit up (his mum called on me when he hadn't eaten for several days, and wasn't taking any fluids).
I went downstairs and said that I really think he needs perhaps to be sectioned. He obviously thought I'd left and stormed downstairs screaming at his mum that she had no right to tell anyone about him, and that he'd fucking kill her. He was really shocked when he saw me walk out of the kitchen and realised I'd heard all this, and ran back upstairs.
It's affecting his mum and stepdad's health (his father has washed his hands of him, says he can't cope with him), but they say that as he's not registered with a doctor they can't do anything. My friend said she was worried about what the neighbours would think (wtf??! This is so not like her!) if ambulance and police came to section him and I'm afraid I lost it and said well what would they think if she or her son were carried out in a body bag, as I can see that happening if he doesn't get help.
I'm at a loss as to what to do - does anyone have any experience of mental health intervention for adults? I really do think he needs to be in hospital.

OP posts:
notapizzaeater · 28/12/2017 18:54

Sometimes it needs someone from the outside to take control, his mum will be too close to see it. Wells done and I hope he gets the right help now.

Seeds1962 · 28/12/2017 19:39

I "interfered" with my older D Brother. He was quickly sectioned after I made the calls ( he had got really very poorly and paranoid and v ill physically and mentally, house barricaded from the inside with furniture and rubbish (when I went round cos I was worried, he made me climb in up a ladder through an upstairs window because "they" would get in, otherwise :( and I had to put a tin foil hat on my head to "stop" them hearing my thoughts :( ) , total tip inside, he wasn't eating or washing himself or clothes, piles of excrement and bottles of urine yes etc :( No food in the house and elaborate trip wires to stop "them" getting in
He did come back to our house and I hoped that he would stay, if he wished and we would take him, if he wished, to medical appoints, but it quickly became apparent that a change of place and clean clothes and hot food were not going to fix things, and his behaviour was frankly a danger to me, DH and our tiny child :(

So, I made the call, a GP and then MH team came round, assessed him, he refused to talk, eventually police had to be involved due to his behaviour and they took him away.
It felt utterly shit to do all this to my beloved brother, and he spent several months in Hospital, after the Section. He hates me for it still after 20 years have passed.
BUT as a result he was in exactly the right place to help him and save his life ie a hospital. They were great - They sorted stuff out and as his only NOK I helped ( from a distance) them get him settled in to a sheltered flat and 20 years later he is still there, still alive, taking his meds and has a life he seems content with. He still is virtually NC with me

  • ok its NOT what I would want for him or me but its a life he seems to enjoy and he seems content. Frankly, if I had'nt "interfered" he would have been dead :( So WELL DONE. Sometimes we have to make hard choices for the people we care about, who are not able ( due to such illness) to make those choices for themselves.
Launderetta · 28/12/2017 20:40

Wow seeds, you did exactly the right thing 20 years ago, you're an amazing sister. Well done! Star

OP, you're a pretty fantastic friend too; how are things with you & yours today?

Seeds1962 · 28/12/2017 21:07

Thank you Launderetta you are the first person apart from my lovely DH and my very best friend, who has ever said that!
it was hard, and despite the loss of any further real contact with my DB, I really don't regret doing it. The alternative doesn't bear thinking about ...

Same in this situation.

OP you did exactly the right thing! Flowers to you, and huge hugs xxx

Footle · 28/12/2017 21:50

Seeds1962, that makes me the third person to be massively moved and impressed by what you did for your brother. You saved his life, as surely as if you'd pulled him away from an oncoming bus. I hope your kids know what you did , and understand it.

Footle · 28/12/2017 21:50

Sorry, the 4th.

Babybauble · 28/12/2017 21:56

Next threat to kill anyone ring 999. This is so serious

another20 · 28/12/2017 21:57

Well done to all the PPs who have contributed to this thread by focusing down on the issue, getting the right info to the OP and encouraging and supporting her to go above the initial misguided wishes of the mother. Amazing MNers at their best.

Growingstuff · 28/12/2017 22:18

Hope you are reassured dear OP nc1984 that you did the absolutely right thing! You are a really terrific friend and I do hope they appreciate you for all your support xxx

Launderetta · 28/12/2017 23:25

I reckon there are a few thousand more on that distinguished list, seeds, now that you've shared your story here Flowers

Seeds1962 · 29/12/2017 00:00

Errm thanks for the positive comments but didn't mean to derail the OP,s thread and certainly wasn't looking for lots of people praising me!
Was just sharing my story (for the very first time, apart from to my DH and my best friend) of a very similar experience to the one the OP is experiencing. Hope this one has a better long term outcome in terms of family relationships.
Although I'd do what I did , again , even if I had known it would lose me contact with my D brother. Would rather he was alive and happier but NC with me . Than dead 20 years ago

MotherofaSurvivor · 29/12/2017 21:17

Any update OP?

nc1984 · 30/12/2017 13:58

A quick update - it's not great I'm afraid. A psychiatrist and nurse came round and it was decided that as there were no beds, he would be put on an intensive home treatment plan, seeing someone every day. His mum wasn't happy about this but they assured her that if he didn't cooperate he would be sectioned. He's still not eating/washing etc.
Yesterday an awful CPN came round. My friend's son is very intelligent and fed him a load of guff that there's nothing wrong with him and he claims his mum is lying about the threats to kill. Unfortunately this person seemed to swallow all of this, and now sectioning is looking like it's not an option. My friend was fobbed off with carers forms, and she's not in a position to be his carer - she has to work, and she's scared of him.
Her son is this morning apparently packing all of his things and even though he has no money, she thinks he's going to do a runner. It's making her ill. She's had panic attacks, and is in tears a lot of the time, she's in despair.

OP posts:
DoItAgainBob · 30/12/2017 14:22

If he tries to leave call the police. They can section him under a 136 but he'll need to out if his home for that to happen. They then will take him to a place of safety i.e. hospital

Sounds very tough for e retune but you're doing the right thing.

DoItAgainBob · 30/12/2017 14:24

I would also say email concerns to the mental health team. Not eating, washing, worries about absconding. Written form has much more sway and come back than a verbal chat.

alldownhillfromhere · 30/12/2017 18:14

Sadly the bed space isn't always there for someone, even in such a desperate situation. I'm sorry to say that 3 years ago my son was in this awful, distressed and also paranoid state, having made a serious suicide attempt, with little sense of reality and clearly extremely unwell. He wasn't sectioned. We were fobbed off due to lack of specialist placements, staff, resources etc and he ended up absconding and living on the streets for 6 months. It fell to his family to make sure he stayed alive. The state of mental health services is truly shocking.

SofaKing0101 · 30/12/2017 19:27

Hello Op
this exact scenario happened to us too.
my son had a breakdown, for want of a better word and was sectioned,
only, 'no beds available' and was allocated a daily visit from the MH team.

My son is also extremely intelligent and fobbed them off with guff. The disappointing thing is, is the MH team believe the patient and NOT the sane person watching. i.e. Mum,
After our 'visitor' got his name wrong on the first visit, I instinctively knew our intensive visits of therapy and chat (all of 15 minutes) were not going to get us anywhere.
Here is an instance. My boy was in his shithole of a room, I showed MH nurse upstairs, tapped on the door and advised son he was here. Son barricaded the door and wouldn't let him in. All he wanted was 5 minutes to get his coat on to come out, and 'gather' himself. It was a boiling hot day, MH visitor said 'I can't wait, what does he need a coat for (err hello??? what do you think you dealing with here,) and vamoosed. Q son weeping because he tried and in his eyes failed, to engage.
I am the least stroppy cow in the world (!) but I was so insensed at the indifference and lack of help at such a serious situation - suicide etc that I said OK I can do this myself.
For the last 5 years I have dragged my son back to sanity. No thats not right,,,,,he was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. AFTER I researched every mental health illness going, and got them to look at it, and they go, ooh yeah.
I don't know how we got to the fairly precarious life we have now, but we did it together.
I don't really have any advice as to help your friends son, but I do know the despair and desperation she is feeling.. I am well aware of the reduced resources that the NHS has. I am not knocking them for it, but sometimes, I just wanted to scream!!!!!!!
Anyhow, this is just a bit from me - there IS hope. Good luck.

HappyHedgehog247 · 30/12/2017 21:20

Sorry to hear this @nc1984. Trying to look on the bright side for you at least he is in the system. You/his mum/anyone can call 999 if you think he is immediate risk of harm to self or others. Can the family afford to go private (not necessarily inpatient but can get a depo (injection) dose of meds? Does he have a smartphone, if so you can set up track my phone on it for if he disappears?

Offred · 30/12/2017 21:31

IMO I think his parents should call up the MH team and explain that he is now threatening to abscond and that if he does and he comes to harm they will sue.

Also mention that they want them to note in his records that they do not feel they can keep him safe (CAMHS have repeatedly written in my DD’s notes that I have said I can keep her safe even though I haven’t said anything of the kind as a way to discharge responsibility for her) and that they feel the visit he has had was woefully inadequate.

Then they need to keep bringing him to the attention of services by calling EDT/police every single time anything happens so that he is considered more of a priority.

Lovemusic33 · 30/12/2017 22:05

You have to keep pushing and pushing to get anywhere. My stepson has just gone back into hospital, wasn’t sectioned this time but has been in the past, the mental health team take ages to step in, usually by the time they do it’s pretty bad Sad. Sadly there is a shortage of beds so they are never in a rush to hospitalise anyone.

RainingOutside99 · 20/01/2018 17:55

This is interesting to me. I have a son with mental health issues, I feel very alone and desperate. The crisis team were called last year but were hopeless. He was put on antidepressants, which aren't; working. I actually think they have made him worse. He actually wants to be sectioned. He is suicidal and has become very aggressive and angry since he's been on anti depressants. It has got to the point i feel scared of him. He is like Jekyll and Hyde. He wants to move out but can't afford to, and i think if he did so he would have a complete breakdown. He's paranoid and has no friends. I don't know where to turn or what to do. I have talked to the doctor about it, and all they do is nod their heads and send me away. I am absolutely desperate. It just feels like waiting for him to either kill himself or become full blown psychotic. If anyone can offer any advice or support i would be very grateful. Dont want to hijack the thread though...

Aridane · 20/01/2018 17:59

Hi, Raining - to get more responses, you might be best to start a new thread. Chat will have a lot of traffic, more than Mental Health

Teabay · 22/01/2018 00:21

How are things, OP?

RainingOutside99 · 22/01/2018 10:02

I have started a thread in chat, as per advice from Aridane, and that's been helpful, thank you.

villandrychat · 29/06/2018 11:29

Long overdue update. After six months almost to the day my friend's son has been sectioned after an incident in our town. He's deteriorated massively, is hugely paranoid, refusing to have a phone as he believes the CIA and the Chinese government are tracking him.

He's been beaten up and his laptop and belongings stolen (he has insisted on taking all his possessions with him when he went out and had been sleeping rough on occasions).

He's also got involved with a religious group (after being a staunch atheist since his teens) and has been quoting their religious book to anyone who will listen. He refused to speak to me anymore as I'm in a relationship but not married, so I'm a "sinner"!

I'm just hoping that he will now get some help, as he's refused any medical treatment so far. The police were called and he was taken to a unit in a neighbouring town. It's heartbreaking, but maybe meditation will now help.

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