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Friend's son serious mental health issues

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nc1984 · 26/12/2017 22:52

NC for this as quite outing. Wasn't sure where to post but thought relationships might be appropriate.
My friend's son is in his early 20s. He was super bright all through school (described by his physics teacher as the brightest pupil he'd ever come across) and sailed through all his exams, 11 A GCSEs, 5 A* A levels, and on to a top university.
He has always been quiet and introverted, but when he went to uni he seemed to cut off completely from his mum, dad and stepdad. He came home once in first year and then basically didn't come home after that. Purely by chance, when a letter was sent to his home address in error from the university, they found out he had changed his name. He went ballistic when challenged about it, and said it was nothing to do with them. He did an internship abroad at the end of his second year, and then at the beginning of his final year he announced he was dropping out of uni. I suspect he was kicked out, as it has since come out that he never attended lectures or tutorials after first year.
He stayed in his university city, but then vanished. His family reported him as a missing person, and the police did find him, but as he is an adult and did not want them to know where he was, they couldn't give any details. They have recently found out that he was initially sofa-surfing and then living on the streets and eating out of skips behind supermarkets.
In August he turned up unannounced at his mum's, after no contact for nearly two years. He moved back into his old room but is a mess. He barely talks, he doesn't wash or eat properly, he has no income, refuses to sign on, and he is aggressive and violent. He's threatened to kill his mum. They are scared of him, and tiptoe around their own house speaking in hushed voices. He refuses to get medical help, and my friend asked me to have a word with him (I was pretty close to him when he was younger and I was one of the few people he would talk to, even though it's about 3 years since I've seen him).
I knocked on his door and opened it just tosay hello. I was really shocked. The stench made me gag - I've worked with homeless people and they were never as bad as this! Apparently he hasn't changed his clothes or bedding for a couple of months and his mum had found dozens of bottles of urine hidden in his room. He refused point blank to speak to me. He was gaunt and skeletal, his hair was greasy and matted, and he scarcely had the energy to sit up (his mum called on me when he hadn't eaten for several days, and wasn't taking any fluids).
I went downstairs and said that I really think he needs perhaps to be sectioned. He obviously thought I'd left and stormed downstairs screaming at his mum that she had no right to tell anyone about him, and that he'd fucking kill her. He was really shocked when he saw me walk out of the kitchen and realised I'd heard all this, and ran back upstairs.
It's affecting his mum and stepdad's health (his father has washed his hands of him, says he can't cope with him), but they say that as he's not registered with a doctor they can't do anything. My friend said she was worried about what the neighbours would think (wtf??! This is so not like her!) if ambulance and police came to section him and I'm afraid I lost it and said well what would they think if she or her son were carried out in a body bag, as I can see that happening if he doesn't get help.
I'm at a loss as to what to do - does anyone have any experience of mental health intervention for adults? I really do think he needs to be in hospital.

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nc1984 · 26/12/2017 23:39

Kirklees/Calderdale West Yorkshire

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BreezedriftingOnBy · 26/12/2017 23:42

OP, don't ask for advice - ask for help. You have a seemingly very unwell young man who has threatened to kill his mum, at different time points. Make it their responsibility, not yours or his mum's, to assess the risk (and carry the responsibility) this young man poses to himself/ others.

MotherofaSurvivor · 26/12/2017 23:43

Kirklees & Calderdale Mental Health Crisis Team 01924 316830 Open 24hrs

nc1984 · 26/12/2017 23:46

Thank you Motherofasurvivor

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HappyHedgehog247 · 26/12/2017 23:47

I'm glad you're calling. If they don't do anything tonight urgent gp home visit tomorrow or 999 if needed. Both he and his mum are too wrapped up in it to see how urgent it is. I'm glad they have you and thank goodness he came home x

BreezedriftingOnBy · 26/12/2017 23:56

OP please call tonight. You have to weigh different worst case scenarios- your friend feeling betrayed/ hurt by your actions vs. something awful happening and the potentially devastating consequences for your friend and her son.

nc1984 · 27/12/2017 00:37

Well I rang OOH service, and they agreed that he needs intervention but it has to be from her as next of kin. I feel like I've at least done something but will be going to see my friend first thing in the morning to let her know what I've done.

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LoveProsecco · 27/12/2017 00:55

I hope she listens to you

Candyfloss70 · 27/12/2017 00:55

It sounds as though he should be sectioned. Can they get him to a&e?
That will start the ball rolling.
If not, keep calling for help, it may take time but once he is seen, they will get the help they need. Call 111 if they can't get him to a&e.

nc1984 · 27/12/2017 09:05

I've spoken to my friend and she is going to ring the number I rang last night. I'm also going round to be with her as she is on her own with him. I think she was relieved that I had done this and was taking it so seriously.

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Chaosofcalm · 27/12/2017 09:12

OP thank goodness she has such a thoughtful and practical friend.

Thank poor family. Well done for supporting them.

cestlavielife · 27/12/2017 09:48

Good luck.
If crisis team won't act unless he speaks to them then call paramedics.

He needs to be seen and assessed.

OnTheRise · 27/12/2017 10:29

Well done, nc1984. I do hope your friend has the strength to make that call. If you go round to her house for her to do it, and he kicks off again while you're there, dial 999 straight away. Don't let her persuade you otherwise. He has threatened to kill her and she needs to be safe.

Cricrichan · 27/12/2017 11:02

Well done Op and hope they're able to help him.

cakeymccakington · 27/12/2017 11:03

Well done OP. She's very lucky to have you as a friend.
Sometimes you need someone else to confirm how serious something is.
I'm glad she's phoning this morning

Paperdoll16 · 27/12/2017 11:44

I'm so glad she's responding positively to your offer of help, finally.

I can imagine if he did continue in this way and professionals came across him in the worst case scenario then I feared your friend could potentially find herself in a huge investigation for enabling or even contributing to his death. 😳

I hope they get the help they need, today.

user1499786242 · 27/12/2017 11:48

How heartbreaking!
You are a wonderful friend!

MotherofaSurvivor · 27/12/2017 12:18

What Paperdoll said!!!!!!! Definitely enabling x

Mary1935 · 27/12/2017 12:32

Yes he's very mentally unwell - poor soul- he will also be physically unwel and could well die if intervention is not sought. If she gets no movement from these people by tomorrow I would call an ambulance - or the police - the police have legal powers to take a patient to a place of safety ie hospital. I hope they all get the help they need.

Ceebs85 · 27/12/2017 12:43

I work for a crisis team in Yorkshire. Not the same one you've contacted. Just wanted to say what a great friend you are.

The tricky thing now will be if he refuses to see anyone. But if concerns are high enough a dr and social worker might be requested to assess him under the mental health act. Given the risk of violence (make sure this is made clear) police assistance may be requested. And trained private ambulance staff may be needed to convey him to hospital.

It may be that the shock of others involvement makes him realise he needs help, but on thr face of it it sounds like he's at real risk physically and lacks capacity to realise he is unwell. I hope he accepts the help he needs and things go well today.

nc1984 · 27/12/2017 13:42

I'm now at my friend's and a doctor is here. Hopefully something will happen now.

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KarenW · 27/12/2017 13:46

I hope that things go well, sending lots of unmumsnetty hugs!

OnTheRise · 27/12/2017 13:49

That's a good start. I hope your friend is strong enough to give her son the help he needs.

Offred · 27/12/2017 13:57

My DD had exactly the same symptoms plus also hearing voices telling her to be violent for around two years. We have been told repeatedly this is not psychosis because she is a child, therefore I imagine as he is an adult they will consider this is psychosis.

You need to create a paper trail of repeated interactions with services - this in reality means calling the police every time he is aggressive.

The police usually work with an adult psychiatrist on call for situations like this.

The more you shield him from services the less likely he is to get the help he needs.

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