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Am I having an EA? Head’s a mess. Pls help!

118 replies

XmasGuilt · 19/12/2017 21:58

Oh crikey. I can’t believe I’m finally plucking up the courage to write this. Am so scared of DH finding this. And scared of getting flamed. And scared of opening up a Pandora’s box.

Been with DH 13yrs, married 10. 2 DC’s (under 7). Have been faithful the entire time despite the r’ship always being lacking in physical intimacy/sex (twice a year on average). I loved sex and was v experienced/experimental before we met, whereas my DH has always seemed quite repressed and awkward about sex, and has rarely initiated contact. For instance, on honeymoon it took us a good couple of weeks to consummate our marriage.

He’s a good man. Decent. Funny, a good friend who’s always been supportive of my decisions/career/finances etc. He’s the main wage-earner and pays the full mortgage/council tax (I pay utilities/childcare/food shopping etc).

There have been years upon years of me feeling entirely shut-down sexually, no libido left at all, no sensation or urges. At first I felt mystified, hurt, then fat & unattractive (overheard him talking about my weight once and he was unapologetic, maintaining that he couldn’t be expected to fancy me as I was 2 stone heavier than when we got together). I thought about leaving but rationalised that we’re ‘soul mates’ etc and wasn’t brave enough.

Then as my own libido dwindled away to zero I attributed it to medication/tiredness/normal life with young kids. So the lack of sex hasn’t at all been a problem for me the past 5yrs. Happy just co-parenting, keeping up appearance/illusion of a normal marriage. Happy together mostly although chronic health probs and some other problems have been hard to deal with and caused tensions which flare up regularly.

I do 100% of DIY, planning, organising, thinking. Increasingly i see men who are capable in these domains AND have libidos too, and feel so sad & envious.

Skip to recently and I recruited a new assistant/work partner. From the first day it was evident we had a bizarre bond, with an identical background/sense of humour/tastes etc. We immediately developed a raft of in-jokes and short-hands, almost our own language at work. We work incredibly closely as a team of two (within a larger overall org) and spend lots of time having meetings together in coffee shops/our cars etc. He steals food off my plate and vice versa. last weekend we very drunkenly kissed at our work Xmas do. It was completely wonderful. We were v couply all night, and HE pursued ME all night (felt incredible!). It really felt for one crazy, giddy, amazing night that I was part of a fun, physical, loving and exciting couple.

I obviously felt mortified and horrified the next morning, but if I’m honest I also feel something close to ELATION! We’ve been endlessly, constantly messaging on soc media ever since. Most of it v innocent and bantery. Some of it chatting about what happened. Some of it v complimentary (tonight he sent me a message saying “I still think you’re awesome”). Although we agree it was a mistake and shouldn’t be repeated it still seems we’re being covert (we have agreed to delete our chat threads after each time we’ve talked) and I’ve been like a stupid, awful, love-struck teenager slinking off from my DH and kids at all hours to feverishly check his messages. I feel sick, giddy, butterflies, weak, can’t eat... I’m so pathetic about it all.

I’m so confused about my marriage. Obvs I’m not remotely thinking I could end my marriage for my colleague (he is younger, different life-stage, in a r’ship etc) BUT I feel like I’ve had a MASSIVE re-awakening and can’t imagine a life without sexual attraction anymore. Now my DCs are slightly older I’m starting to rediscover ‘me’ again. Also my career is suddenly looking a bit better, and my self-esteem is riding after loosing weight lately. I think I’m starting to wake up but I’m scared of what I’m waking up to.

This is so dizzying. I’m going round in circles, frantic. All I can think of is my colleague and how he made me feel.

But I’ve spent my life vowing I’d never, EVER, break my children’s family unit up. I imagine it would be the end of the world for my poor, poor little DCs, and I could only do that to them if my DH had been violent/had an affair etc. I’ve fantasised for years about him leaving me so I’d have a legitimate way out.

Fuck. Sorry that was so long. Thank you to anyone who’s made it this far Flowers

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XmasGuilt · 05/01/2018 22:58

Thank you Jemsy for your kind, wise and good advice. I really appreciate it. I’ve been feeling a bit terrible after some of the replies this evening (I know I deserve to feel terrible, but it still hurts and cranks-up my already stratospheric anxiety) Sad

I appreciate your advice around cooling things gradually and tactfully. I think that would work. I just need to put on my big girl pants and do it (even though every part of me hurts at the thought of losing our special bond).

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jemsywemsy · 05/01/2018 23:06

I understand. But you need to start questioning that "special bond", because it seems like it's really based on you needing something you aren't getting in your marriage. That gap is what you need to be concentrating on. If you do end things with your husband then it needs to be done in the way that's least painful for your children, which categorically means no other people involved.

Bumsnetnetbums · 05/01/2018 23:08

Not rtft but emotional affairs arent a thing imo. Boundary crossing yes affair no. Women seem to be fine with their husband shagging but not if they are talking. Dont get it myself.

MrsGrylls · 05/01/2018 23:19

I’ve nc for this. I’ve been having an affair with my close work colleague for a year. It started just like you describe your relationship with your colleague. He ended it today. I am beyond devastated. I’ve been physically sick and can’t stop shaking. My marriage is also dead but complicated by one of our DC being severely disabled and requiring intense care from both of us. We’ve totally lost our marriage under the strain of the last 10 years and my colleague woke my libido which had been pretty non existent since the birth of my daughter.

Anyway there are similarities. What I came on to say is that you are definitely having an EA, just the fact that you’re deleting your convos tells you that. Please please please don’t continue it. If you value your friendship and your working relationship just don’t go there. I’ve had so many difficult times with my colleague over the past year - some lovely highs but some terrible terrible lows. I now have no idea how I’m going to face him at work next week. I just want to curl up and never wake up. The jealousy you feel when you know he’s with his girlfriend will only get worse.

Wait until you’re free of your marriage and if you still have strong feelings and both agree that you might want to try a romantic relationship then I’d strongly recommend you stop being colleagues first.

Sorry if some of that’s a bit garbled. I can’t really think straight but your thread resonated with me and I’d hate for you to end up where I am. I’m beyond gutted and I can’t tell a soul and have to try and stay almost sane for DH and my dc.

MrsGrylls · 05/01/2018 23:21

And before anyone jumps down my throat for my pity party I’m obviously well aware that I’ve totally betrayed my DH and my kids and that’s all rolled up in the devastation I feel.

Bumsnetnetbums · 05/01/2018 23:22

Hugs mrs grylls sounds awful x

XmasGuilt · 05/01/2018 23:24

Oh MrsGrylls SadFlowers. I’m so sorry to read you’ve had such a terrible blow and must be in so much pain this evening. Gosh, what a desperate wrench, and so heavily complicated for you because of your DC and not being able to talk to people irl for support.

If you’d like to talk further and/or would like some support, please PM me. I’m thinking of you and sending un-MN-y hugs BrewFlowers

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NK1cf53daaX127805d4fd5 · 05/01/2018 23:25

I am in a very similar situation to you except it's an old ex that has contacted me. He has a gf. I turned him down even though I ache(d) to be with him. We have been messaging but I'm not initiating any of the messages anymore as I need to conserve my energy for leaving my marriage. Him accidently coming back into my life has been the catalyst for me wanting to end my marriage but I'm not ending it because of him.

Please minimise the contact and stop the xxxx's. See what happens when your marriage is over but don't do anything now. It's not worth it.

NK1cf53daaX127805d4fd5 · 05/01/2018 23:26

Mrs I can feel your heartbreak. Hope you're okay

XmasGuilt · 05/01/2018 23:28

And thank you for your extremely kind advice and sharing your own personal experience of where this scenario can go so wrong. I really appreciate your insight. I think this has really helped me wake-up to what could happen. I’ve deleted our archived chats, set my status to non-visible as to whether I can see when he was last online (to stop me endlessly hanging on his responses), and will try and go cold turkey by not initiating any contact over weekend. I feel sad at the thought of letting go of my silly fantasy and my buzz of happiness, but I can see now it’s for the best.

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MrsGrylls · 05/01/2018 23:30

Thank you.

I don’t want to hijack and I’m too scared of the flaming I’d get if I started my own thread so I’m going to disappear now.

Wish you all the very best OP.

XmasGuilt · 05/01/2018 23:31

Hi NK! We’ve been on a thread together lately I think, and I remember your situation. It really resonated with me. I think your phrase about needing to conserve your energy for ending your marriage is a really good way to look at things. You speak so much sense! And I’m impressed at your strength and self-discipline.

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XmasGuilt · 05/01/2018 23:31

Hi NK! We’ve been on a thread together lately I think, and I remember your situation. It really resonated with me. I think your phrase about needing to conserve your energy for ending your marriage is a really good way to look at things. You speak so much sense! And I’m impressed at your strength and self-discipline.

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XmasGuilt · 05/01/2018 23:33

No MrsGrylls, please don’t go Sad. You’d not get a flaming (certainly not from many of us here).
I think you need to talk and grieve. Please PM me if I can offer any help or comfort. I really do feel for you.

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MrsGrylls · 05/01/2018 23:34

Ps I said many times I was going to put my big girl pants on and go cold turkey / no contact. I could never sustain it. The close working relationship and the amazing chemistry meant I just couldn’t stick to it and neither could he. I don’t have the answers I just know that I wish I hadn’t crossed the line. The great sex and amazing phone calls in no way were worth what I feel now.

Really am going now Smile

NK1cf53daaX127805d4fd5 · 05/01/2018 23:36

We have Xmas. Sometimes I wish I didn't have that strength and self-discipline believe me. It's been so hard to say no as I've thought of this person for the last 17 years. But I walked away from him once before and survived so I can walk away again, or at least until I'm in a situation whereby it is appropriate for me to see him.

I am part of a the NC Dignity thread on here. You might find it very helpful, you too Mrs. Grylis. It is non-judgemental and lots of similarish scenarios on it.

XmasGuilt · 05/01/2018 23:43

Thanks NK- I’ll head over there!

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BackInTheRoom · 06/01/2018 01:05

The thing is, long term relationships need work, lots of work. Then somebody comes along and turns your head. Then it's Comparison time. Nothing can compare to the thrill of somebody new. It's like comparing a 6 seater family car to a Porshe.

OP, I don't think your love life sucked as bad as you're remembering. You wouldn't have settled for it having been adventurous as you said you were? Unless you loved him and we're happy and it was enough?. But now your colleague comes along and you're all awakened and are doing this massive comparison thing.

The thing is you need to talk more with your DH and invest in your marriage but it's too late. You've had a taste of excitement and your marriage will never live up to the excitement you now crave. All a bit sad really.

SandyY2K · 06/01/2018 01:55

You say you hired him...so your his superior at work? Dont play so close to home or at work. It's too dangerous.

If you don't cut out the texting and lunches...you'll be kissing again.

Of course it's a nice feeling...puts you on a high... makes you feel attractive...wanted...desired... but it will lead to stress and possibly heartache.

We all crave love...that's human nature. Your H wasn't very nice with his comments to you about your weight. It was a convenient excuse for him...as he has a low sex drive.

I'm not sure I'd actually want intimacy after he said that. He knows twice a year is crap for a sex life.

He's killed your marriage and is probably amazed you haven't said anything sooner.

He must have thought he hit the jackpot...finding a woman who actually put up with his very low libido and went on to marry him.

factory999 · 06/01/2018 10:03

I don’t have any advice, but just wanted to say that reading this thread gave me the courage to speak to my husband last night about similar things I’ve been feeling- it’s been an awful Christmas putting a brave face on because I’ve not wanted to spoil things. To my surprise he was open and understanding and we are going to try counselling, with the understanding that it may well still end with a split and us both being quite accepting of that. I hope you manage to find what you’re looking for with your situation too. Hugs Flowers

factory999 · 06/01/2018 10:04

For transparency, I’ve have also recently crossed a line with a colleague which made me realise that life with DH is fine but not exciting and doesn’t make me happy anymore. Sometimes I think you need that awakening to make you realise.

bastardkitty · 06/01/2018 12:49

I think your marriage is shitand you have every reason to leave it. I'm sure it is as lonely and unfulfilled as you have described. Your H is not your friend and has no interest in your happiness. You can leave because of this. It's wise to step right back from your colleague. He has made you think about what it's possible for you to feel and experience and this only highlights how poor your marriage is. Be brave and go.

PsychedelicSheep · 06/01/2018 22:22

I agree that messing around with a subordinate is inappropriate and silly. It’s not the age gap (my boyfriend is 11 years younger than me) but the fact that he works under you that makes it a bad idea, don’t shit where you eat innit!

Oh and it’s definitely an EA. Absolutely no question.

Bumsnetnetbums · 07/01/2018 09:36

Subordiate HmmConfused

PNGirl · 07/01/2018 09:55

Yes, subordinate. Defined as
"a person under the authority or control of another within an organization". The OP has stated she recruited him as her assistant.

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