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Are men and women growing apart generally?

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Lifeisntbad · 30/10/2017 08:46

Just had a chat with a friend about this. My male and female acquaintances sometimes (with some exceptions) seem so different in outlook that I wonder about this. Obviously they are different from each other as well.
In my immediate circle of 40 /50 somethings the women are generally resourceful independent sociable and open. Many (not all) of the men are depressed, with no enthusiasm, slightly isolated and in some cases a little bitter.
While in one way gender differences seem to be blurring which can only be a good thing, in other ways men and women seem increasingly on different paths, coming together perhaps for having children and then diverging again.

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Offred · 03/11/2017 20:49

*wives who care for the husbands

QueenLetizia · 03/11/2017 20:50

It's True

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Offred · 03/11/2017 20:51

most of the time... obviously not exclusively... but that is the expectation.

In actual fact almost all of the women I happen to know have either left shit men or have great husbands/partners who share equally. I’m not idiotic enough to think my friends/family are any kind of representative sample that invalidates all the research...

greenberet · 03/11/2017 20:52

Ok if it's not brains is there some other reason _ genetic, hormonal we are wired differently - so for women it is instinctive but men need to make it a conscious choice

HandbagKrabby · 03/11/2017 20:53

No one really likes scrubbing filthy toilets, wiping arses, making healthy food no fucker is going to eat, remembering the likes, dislikes, emotional lives and schedules of several different human beings. Especially for no money and little respect. However if we all chose not to do it a lot of the nicest bits of life would grind to a halt. A lot of this stuff is worth doing and it’s worth doing well.

Offred · 03/11/2017 20:54

All the studies that supposedly conclude there is such a thing as a ‘gendered brain’ are tiny and not representative... also the researchers fully admit they could not pick a ‘female’ brain from a ‘male’ brain simply by appearance and that there is greater divergence within each group than between them...

QueenLetizia · 03/11/2017 20:54

And there's no middle ground for millions of women. I wanted my x to be a better man and a better father but he refused. He felt entitled to the privileges he benefited from. I tried to change things but he wouldn't change. So I left. He felt the hard done by martyr. It wasn't easy for me but I have benefited from being single in the end.

I shouldn't have been so invested in to being one half of a couple, the mother, the wife. Why did I offer myself up for the servitude and patriarchy so easily. I should have suited myself and worked and feathered my own nest and maybe maybe had one child and. no more than one child and even then only if I could afford the type of childcare that doesn't impact upon your career. This is the advice I will give to my daughter

Offred · 03/11/2017 20:56

I don’t believe that at all. And there is no evidence for it.

What there is evidence for is that boys and girls are socialised differently.

However neuroscience is in its infancy and it will be quite some time before we are able to conclusively say one way or another.

Much of what we do know however points towards socialisation though.

MarthaArthur · 03/11/2017 20:57

I can only speak for myself but every man i habe ever dated (theres been a few) habe wanted to be "free" and no strings sex with any girl who catches their eye. Everyone of them told.me they never want marriage or children so i guess times re just changing.

greenberet · 03/11/2017 20:58

Or as they seem unable to do this to match a woman's expectation society needs to fill the gap.

But society/government has a different agenda - they want everyone working who is capable, children effectively in a glorified 'prison' from 8 til 8 to facilitate this and somehow they gloss over what else keeps a home running - probably because none of them actually do it for themselves - they have somebody else doing the shitwork

TammyswansonTwo · 03/11/2017 20:59

GP appointments and pants on the floor?just proving the point that you're utterly clueless about the additional shit that women do.

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Trills · 03/11/2017 21:01

Human brains are amazing because they are so plastic

It's not surprising that when we treat people differently from the day they are born (or even before if we know what we are having) that their brains end up being, on average, a little bit different. (and it only on average, and only a little, and sometimes not really detectable)

Anyone who talks about male brains and female brains as a cause of inequality has got their cause and effect mixed up.

Trills · 03/11/2017 21:01

You have to be very careful when quoting MRI studies

blogs.scientificamerican.com/scicurious-brain/ignobel-prize-in-neuroscience-the-dead-salmon-study/

TammyswansonTwo · 03/11/2017 21:02

My husband isn't lazy. He's far from lazy. He works bloody hard, he cooks, he gets up in the night with the kids. It's not laziness, I think that's what you're failing to grasp. It's a cultural and societal issue, and it's almost universal where men and women have children together.

Offred · 03/11/2017 21:04

I’d be willing to bet it is a link to a newspaper report yes?

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greenberet · 03/11/2017 21:06

So we have the problem right here on this thread - I can teach my Ds to respect women, to contribute equally without having to be asked or told, to take responsibility for himself etc

But if we are also teaching our daughters as queen that basically men are not to be trusted then society fails

birdsdestiny · 03/11/2017 21:08

I don't have daughters but if I did my advice would be to do it on their own. It's easier.

Offred · 03/11/2017 21:09

No, we’re teaching our boys and girls about sexism and not to tolerate it... Hmm

TammyswansonTwo · 03/11/2017 21:12

No one taught me that men aren't to be trusted other than men who have proven themselves to be untrustworthy.

If I were a man and I'd been sexually abused by my father and sexually assaulted by 75% of my sexual partners, would I trust women in general? If I'd met lots of women that seemed lovely and decent and then acted like entitled fuckwits as soon as my guard was down, would I trust women?

Given the way I've been treated by men in my life I should fucking hate them, but I don't. I do however reserve a percentage of my trust that they're decent human beings until they've significantly proven themselves to be so.

TammyswansonTwo · 03/11/2017 21:12

That should read been abused by my mother I suppose. I'm sorry, I'm perpetually exhausted.

NameChanger22 · 03/11/2017 21:13

I honestly think women have put up with far too much for far too long, and a lot of women are starting to realise it.

Men need to pull their socks up (and pick them up off the floor once in a while) if they want to continue having relationships with women. Generally speaking they need to stop behaving like bratty children. I doubt many men really want to live alone.

Sorry men, women have woken up a bit.

Offred · 03/11/2017 21:14

So yes, it is a tiny sample size with inconclusive findings reported in a newspaper as a study finding a difference...

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