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Need words of wisdom... is this just me.

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Menarefrommarsitwouldseem · 30/09/2017 00:23

Okay so this is going to be a long one. Apologies in advance...

I have a very good male friend and for the purpose of this thread I shall name him headfuck.

We have been friends for around 5 years and the friendship has increased as the years have gone by. He's single, very traditional and honestly for me quite perfect.

He was by my side during a messy separation. A separation which is still ongoing as for many reasons we can't sell the house just yet. We do however live separate lives and have separate bedrooms etc.

So anyway. Headfuck (hf) as I said has been there throughout it all. My total rock. We went from spending all our time on group outings together to going out alone.
Meals, cinema, concerts. Just anything really. He even used to come and do my supermarket shop with me ffs.
He would meet me after work and we would just sit in the car and chat for hours.

We sent (and still do) a huge skint of texts. We talk every day and he calls me before he goes to bed without fail.
We have SO much in common. It's ridiculous and all of our friends have noticed it. I started to develop feelings but was worried it wasn't reciprocated so bottled it. Just carried on being friends who basically acted like a couple without the sex.

He had the opportunity to go and work away in America for a year in January and on our last night out I sobbed in the cab home. I was distraught.
He went and I did some serious thinking. I come clean and told him how I felt and that I couldn't continue this half life. That I wanted to be with him and if he didn't agree then when he's back to the UK we have to calm down all the contact as we will never find a partner being so heavily invested in eachother and even if we did. There wouldn't be a man or woman alive who would be comfortable with our level of friendship.
His answer was I don't see you that way because you've been married in the past, you have children (who he has met and idolises), and you're older than me. He agreed with essentially what I was saying but said when he meets someone and gets married it wants it to be their first time. First time to have children etc
I do kind of understand that I guess but he's 27 now. Most people will have a history. I am 34.

So at that point with him being so far away I thought I would create some distance. It hasn't worked.
He's coming back soon (Jan) and we still speak every day. In fact more on the phone that we ever have. I wake up to texts.
He tells me how much he misses me. That be will cry when he sees me. That he can't wait to hug me, smell me. Go out.

We have even booked a weekend away to the highlands in a remote cottage ffs. 2 bedrooms though i should add.

I just don't know what to think or do anymore.
He's very mature in some senses but immature in others. Deep down I think be feels the same but his ideals stop him. His family have passed comment on our friendship and informed him he's " too young to take on all I have" and I can see their point but what about the fact that I know I will never find someone who I have that connection with and I seriously doubt he will. He would never admit all this though I suppose.
I just know that forever I will look for him in anyone I try to replace him with if that's what it will take
And I truly believe he will be the same.

Also not sure if it's worth mentioning. I know he's very sexually inexperienced. Hasn't had sex for well nearly as long as me and that's a good few years lol.
So I don't know if that plays a part.

I'm not sure why I'm even writing this really. I just feel like I am cracking up with the you say one thing and act another way feelings. I need some MN wisdom

Name changed for his as I like to resemble a mature adult. Not a silly teen haha

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RandomMess · 30/09/2017 15:34

So are you going to email/ text him and then block to regain control?

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Menarefrommarsitwouldseem · 30/09/2017 15:36

I'm going to have to.

I don't think be realises how much this bothers me
I think he feels that it's water under the bridge and it is back to how it was before I told him.
It's never mentioned and to him I come across normal. Like I've forgot and I haven't. Sad

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Menarefrommarsitwouldseem · 30/09/2017 15:37

You're right offred

Just because I wouldn't be like this doesn't mean everyone is the same
And he is cruel and it is unkind ironically more so when he's being kind and sweet.

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iMatter · 30/09/2017 15:45

He's playing you OP or else he is ridiculously immature.

I wouldn't have anything to do with someone who thought I was spoiled goods.

His relationship with his mother sounds OTT and she's far too invested in his life.

Is he looking for another mother figure?

I think he sounds creepy.

Cut him out of your life.

Find someone who respects, loves and fancies you.

Flowers

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Offred · 30/09/2017 15:48

He does realise. He might not have the same perspective on it but he does realise because this is what he wants you to feel like.

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Offred · 30/09/2017 15:50

When you feel like this you put up with whatever crumb he chucks you, you behave as though you are grateful for it and he can do whatever the fuck he likes knowing that you will always take it - that makes him feel powerful and on top of the world!

If you question him about this he would be all 'oh goodness no! I'm sorry! I don't want you to feel like that!' And then go back to doing the exact same thing.

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Menarefrommarsitwouldseem · 30/09/2017 15:57

It's funny you say that offred.

I have questioned how he is with me before. All the things he does for me.
The way he speaks. People often assume we are a couple and I can see why.

Anyway when I questioned it. He said " I'm like this with all my friends, I'm just a good friend to everyone"

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Offred · 30/09/2017 15:59

The point of that is to confuse you.

When you are confused I bet you give him the benefit of the doubt don't you?

And I bet he just leaves you feeling crap.

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Worriedrose · 30/09/2017 16:02

Offred is completely right
He's only offering you crumbs. And he knows you'll take them
He wrapping it all up in kindness, but it isn't.
Why he's done this none of us know.
But it makes you feel like shit and will continue to.
You need to find the courage from somewhere.
Send an email clearly setting out why you need no contact
I don't say this because he deserves it, I say this because then you are being clear and if he disrespects your boundaries again you know that he is not a true friend because you have told him clearly what you need

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Menarefrommarsitwouldseem · 30/09/2017 16:03

Yes confused because there aren't enough hours in the day to be so attentive to everyone.
So I always thought that was bullshit.

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Offred · 30/09/2017 16:07

I'd be willing to bet that you have slowly and unnoticeably become an anxious person who is generally unhappy over the course of knowing him.

That you haven't really noticed because; a. You met him in the midst of a sad and difficult time and b. Because of the boiling frog analogy.

I would also be willing to bet that if you do manage to get free of him within a very short space of time you will realise; a. That you are really glad he is gone and b. How low interacting him had got you feeling.

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Worriedrose · 30/09/2017 16:07

It's total bulshit and you both know it.
Do you want someone in your life that lies to you about something so serious?
You deserve much more than that

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Menarefrommarsitwouldseem · 30/09/2017 16:12

I do get anxious more lately and by self esteem is awful.

Weirdly I enjoy his company though. I feel fine with him.

I think part of me was hoping that because he is immature with relationships that he did feel the same and that he just didn't have the balls to go with his heart and not his head. I do think I am some kind of ego boost though and a substitute girlfriend until he finds Cinderella.
Cinderella with no history haha.

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Offred · 30/09/2017 16:14

It's interesting you say that about feeling fine when you are with him.

I think that's understandable because he has set you up to feel anxious when you don't have his attention and comforted when you do.

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Offred · 30/09/2017 16:15

It's like a physical addiction.

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Worriedrose · 30/09/2017 16:15

It's like an addiction though
You feel shit and anxious and have no self esteem
But when you're talking to him/ with him it's relieved briefly.
Then when you feel anxious again, you consciously/subconsciously need to get the fix
A cycle that's hard to break.
The boiled frog is a good analogy

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Worriedrose · 30/09/2017 16:16

Cross post!!!
Listen to us wise folk who have been through it!!

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Offred · 30/09/2017 16:18

Yy to been through it! Except I was his actual GF and I was not nearly as wise as you and continued it for almost 4 years until he quite seriously abused me and I had to report him to the police in order to get away!

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Worriedrose · 30/09/2017 16:20

Well I did it for 3 fucking years and have only just managed to extracate myself.
So my wise words are ones that I wish I had bloody listened to myself

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Annelind · 30/09/2017 16:21

I had a male bestie who was openly gay. I adored him, my kids adored him, but he didn't break my heart because he was OPENLY GAY. Your 'friend' may be gay or he may not - but what he definitely is is CRUEL and fucking selfish. I suggest you go over and read the 30 days no contact thread. Headfucks-for-men are 10 a penny. Let him go, and you'll have space for someone who loves you and wants you in every way a man loves and wants a woman.

I am so angry with your HF - majority of posters here are. We can't all be wrong!

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khanbal · 30/09/2017 16:27

Think you're investing too much in him. As you've needed him but it's a very unhealthy dynamic. I'm sorry OP you do really need to cut contact

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CatsOclock · 30/09/2017 16:29

I can see why you're calling him headfuck. He can't wait to smell you??!! Future bil!!???

I think many women make the mistake of not believing men when they tell them how it is. He's told you explicitly that he wants something other than what you can offer him. I think you should believe him when he says that.

He reminds me of an ex of mine. Took us months to get together after a close friendship, much like you've described. But ultimately, all that BS was always there in one form or another. (Took me years to realise that though.)

Find yourself a straight man (I'm talking attitude there) who wants what you want.

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Menarefrommarsitwouldseem · 30/09/2017 16:41

I know I agree with that wholeheartedly.

So he says he can't be with me. Because of my children etc

But the week before that I think we woiod be good together
Then the whole BIL thing.

Talking about what our children would look like.
How he would be different in the house if we lived together.

I say I really hate cooking and thinking of things to cook all the time
He says ohhhh I love cooking. I would run you a bath and do your dinner.

It's proper headfuck stuff. Because other than saying the fact I have a history is a no from him. All the other stuff he says is a well just weird.

I'm starting to see it all properly now. Writing it down makes me see what a fool I have been.

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Worriedrose · 30/09/2017 16:45

You have not been a fool
Get that out of your head
He's completely manipulated you.

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Offred · 30/09/2017 16:46

I'd be willing to bet the only thing that is wrong with you is him.

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