Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

situation with my colleague

978 replies

MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 19:05

Let me start by saying that I am over 40, but if I sound like the most clueless of teenagers, that is because I am in relationships terms -- I was with the same man from my teens until a couple of years ago, and as I've been single since, and am the busy working parent of a demanding small child with no evening childcare, as a result I have pretty much zero experience of relationships, flirting etc.

Which is why I'm finding this confusing and talking to a bunch of strangers on the internet about it.

I've been in my current job at a large organisation (being deliberately vague) for just over a year. Over the last two or three months, I've found myself feeling close to a colleague from another department with whom I have intermittent meetings/dealings, after only vaguely registering him as a nice guy before that. Recently we seem to end up drifting together at any events we're both at, and falling into conversations which end up often being very long and wide-ranging, and often end up hovering by the lifts or in the corridor talking more, if it's something at the end of the day.

I thought I was overthinking this while I was away over the summer, but now it seems to be becoming more frequent, if anything, and the conversations more personal. It's a busy period at work, with a weekend event and a conference we both had to attend, and in the last five workdays alone, we must have spent four or five hours talking at a reception/on the way out of the building/on the way to the car park. I'm finding myself thinking about him more and more, and realised I find him attractive. He's 48, clever, funny, observant, and kind, and apparently amiably divorced, but clearly a besotted and very involved father to teenagers.

The issue, I suppose is that I'm completely confused about what this means. The last time I was in this situation I was 18, pretty and confident, and I was falling in love with the man I married. Now I am in my 40s, no looker, and my confidence has taken a big knocking for various reasons in the last five years, when I found parenthood tough, my career foundered, my marriage ended and I haven't been particularly happy -- my marriage was celibate for the last few years, and I have not thought of myself as someone who could be considered attractive for a very long time. I also have none of the basic comprehension of men that an average, single 40something woman has. At some level I am terrified, but mostly what I feel is as though I'm a beginner at a language everyone else seems to speak fluently.

How on earth do you know if someone reciprocates your feelings? How can you tell the difference between someone who likes you as a workmate and someone who is developing stronger feelings for you? I have butterflies. I'm off my food. When someone says his name I get a rush of pleasure. I am a teenager in the body of a 42 year old professional.

I realise this probably sounds like a complete non-problem to anyone with experience of adult dating, but despite being a functioning adult I am absolutely unable to conceive that anyone would find me attractive, and while we gravitate to one another when we encounter one another at work and can't stop talking, it's always 'accidental'. He's very self-deprecating, and I sense he's been out of the game for a while, too. I'm especially wary because presuming something about a workmate could have horrible consequences. Also, we're both originally from the same country, though have lived in the UK most of our adult lives, so I wonder whether this might just be nostalgia for 'home' from him. But then I think of all the times when an hour suddenly melted away just standing in the corridor, and the fact that he remembers absolutely everything I tell him.

Thank you for struggling through this any advice? How does this sound to you? What would you do? A bit of me hopes you will all say 'predictable office crush all in your head no basis in reality, no need to do anything'.

OP posts:
Thinkingaboutarevolution · 09/11/2017 09:14

..giggling by the filing cabinet...all sounds very flirty to me.

MargoLovebutter · 09/11/2017 12:46

Love it! Impressed you know that he has a baritone too - I wouldn't have a clue. Tell him, you'll repay by singing to him over lunch! Wink

MortalEnemy · 10/11/2017 09:24

The famous lunch happened yesterday, but no further singing took place. In fact, it's left me feeling a bit downcast. He wasn't making eye contact, kept staring off into the distance and presenting me with his remote-looking profile, and generally seemed kind of discombobulated. On his suggestion, we didn't just nip downstairs to the cafeteria in our building, we went to a rather more soigné staff place on another part of the site, which may have been part of the problem, as it felt weirdly non-worky and formal plush armchairs, flowers on table, hushed atmosphere. We still talked solidly for an hour and a half, but neither of us ate more than a few mouthfuls, and things only seemed to loosen up properly once we were walking back across to our own building up those delightfully narrow stairs-- and on more familiar territory, so of course we ended up hanging around in the hall talking until the need to actually go and do some work intervened.

The trip abroad after Christmas is now definitely happening, but after yesterday, I'm wondering whether it's going to be a source of torment for me, rather than an opportunity for jetlag, drinks and 'what happens on work trips stays on work trips only I'm obviously hoping it doesn't' misbehaviour. Sad

OP posts:
sleepyowleyes · 10/11/2017 09:30

It sounds like he was feeling shy and awkward, don't you think?

His intent was to take you somewhere nice but it backfired a bit because he was feeling self conscious, because he had built it up into being a "date" in his mind, probably.

How many different places are there to eat at your work? Can you suggest somewhere else next time?

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 10/11/2017 09:45

What sleepyowleyes said

Mix56 · 10/11/2017 10:17

Agreed. I think you must be patient. or if not, lead the way

StealthNinjaMum · 10/11/2017 10:31

I'm still thinking about his garden lawn that has been trodden bare by his pacing at his inability to push things further quickly.

Op do you ever flirt like maybe touch his arm or really forward behaviour knee? Or whisper in his ear?

MargoLovebutter · 10/11/2017 10:39

Gah, Mortal I feel your frustration. He is definitely NOT a player!!!!! It sounds like he felt a bit awkward and out of practice. The trip abroad probably will be a source of torment, but in a good way I think because he does like you but he seems in need of several strong drinks!

MortalEnemy · 10/11/2017 11:27

I'm laughing at the mere idea of him being a player. Grin Yes, I suppose you're all right, it was the This is Different to Work feeling that suddenly made everything feel new and tentative, like we haven't been talking to each other for months but were, I don't know, teenagers worrying about whether it looked slutty to head straight for the back row of the Cineplex. But yes, there are other places to go, If we ever do it again, somewhere else might be better.

Also, he said I could be 'intimidating'. Hmm Confused

I am the least intimidating person on the planet. I have always wanted to be intimidating and look like Tilda Swinton in one of her fiercer roles, but I am like a kitten in a .gif. I laugh at his jokes, I reply to his middle-of-the-meeting emails, and in fact some people would say I could probably do with playing a lot harder to get. Intimidating I am not.

Stealth, yes, I do, but I am someone who tends to lean over and tap or touch male or female friends' hands or arms for emphasis when I'm talking, anyway, so it probably doesn't code as flirtation. I need a Flirtation 101 remedial class for weaker students struggling with the curriculum.

OP posts:
MargoLovebutter · 10/11/2017 11:58

I suspect he is easily intimidated, rather than you being intimidating Mortal!

grobagsforever · 10/11/2017 12:35

If he's as nice as you say then for goodness sake ask him out before someone else does! You're a long time dead OP.

picklemepopcorn · 10/11/2017 12:41

I think we may have moved beyond the 'does he like me' stage. He does.

Next step, ask him how you can help him relax a bit. Tell him you really like him, but can’t work out whether he is interested because he seems very tense a lot of the time. Ask him if he can tell you a bit more about how he feels and what he wants from your friendship.

He may need some direct instruction, if social cues are an issue for him. The first inkling I had that my DH was aware I was in the room was a letter say8ng he couldn’t live without me and could we meet for a drink. Some people just don’t have the skills...

Mix56 · 10/11/2017 14:51

A love letter sounds like it would right up his street.

Ohyesiam · 10/11/2017 15:37

Placemarking for when I've got time

bluddyknackered · 10/11/2017 16:02

This would drive me bonkers. I definitely think he likes you, but he's just hideously awkward about relationships, it seems. I honestly think this is what booze was invented for :-)

I'd just email and ask him if he fancies a drink sometime. Then ply him with booze and see what happens.

(I can't remember as I read the start of the thread ages ago, but I think you said babysitters were tricky - surely you could find one for a night?)

ThisIsTheRightTime · 10/11/2017 16:17

MortalEnemy, the man I'm all a fluster about has confessed on several occasions he finds me intimidating too. He's reserved and discrete (with a wicked sense of humour and a brilliant mind) and I'm all gregarious and prone to gesticulating. I'll be honest; I take it as a backhanded compliment as I know he's not indifferent to my charms. GrinThink of it rather as though you are having a strong impact on him leaving him somewhat destabilised. Wink

MortalEnemy · 10/11/2017 17:25

You know, thinking about it coolly, I think the glacially slow pace probably actually suits me at some unconscious level, however much I complain on here. I was in the same relationship from my late teens till the age of 40, I have zero relationship street smarts, and my wisecracking is a cover for my terror of being hurt again. It may be that this shows, somehow, and that RumpledColleague is in fact playing a blinder, like one of those slow bicycle races where the winner is the one who makes it to the finishing line in the longest time without falling off the bike or putting down a foot. Grin

I know I said up the thread that we never have work Christmas parties well, this year, our head of dept decided we should have something, and organised a low-key dinner in a restaurant that we had to commit to with a deposit a little while ago. As for once, I will actually have childcare available visiting family member -- I decided to go, just to expand my social horizons a bit, despite not being wildly enthusiastic. Rumpled had already said he wouldn't be going.

Well, today I ran into the organiser who is chivvying people about pre-ordering from a set group menu, and she mentioned that Rumpled had asked if it was too late to attend and already paid his deposit. She even said how surprised she'd been that he was coming, as he never came to work evening events. Grin

OP posts:
eddielizzard · 10/11/2017 17:41

ooh gawd no love letters! he just likes a slow burn. the reason lunch was awkward was because you're now intentionally actually spending time together instead of just accidental / work meetings. it's gone up a notch and you're both wondering how to handle it. just take things slowly. this stage is delicious! no need to rush!

badbadhusky · 10/11/2017 18:59

Excellent update about your Xmas do. Let’s hope it leads to 😘 ❤️😉 💍 and 👒-buying for the MNers watching this thread. Grin

fustercluckery · 10/11/2017 19:31

Great news about the Christmas do (and shamelessly place marking!)

Mix56 · 10/11/2017 19:44

bravo !! need to get a rdv with hair dresser, legs done! party frock !!

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 10/11/2017 19:52

DO NOT DRIVE to the Christmas do. This is what alcohol is for. 🍷

MortalEnemy · 10/11/2017 20:06

I am definitely not driving to the Christmas do. Grin What does the thinking woman wear to a very low-key early evening dinner when she's going straight from a casual-dress work environment, so as to look carelessly fabulous but not try-hard and not excite undue comment among eagle-eyed colleagues who would need to be blind not to have noticed the two of us?

OP posts:
SchnitzelVonKrumm · 10/11/2017 20:16

That silk dress he remembered in detail, obvs.

Mix56 · 10/11/2017 20:16

A nice wrap dress & heels ? flattering & just enough cleavage