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What would you make of this?

108 replies

gingergenius · 17/09/2017 16:32

I'm a bit confused! Have been with OH for 6 years. I have 3 kids (not his) and he did live with us for about 18 months, but it was clear it wasn't a good dynamic so we split up for a few months as there was some tension but ultimately it wasn't working for my kids so I asked him to move out (think older kids/early teens clashing with alternative father figure- recipe for disaster but I naively thought it could work. I have learned my lesson).

We started seeing each other again but I try to keep our time together to around 3 times per week - kids tolerate him but would prefer to have me to themselves. They do however acknowledge that it's not him particularly, it's just that he's not their dad, which I get. So we've been bobbing along with a reasonable amount of compromise and everyone has been comfortable with the arrangements.

Last week, I saw OH more than normal as we also work in my business together and sometimes this happens. He stayed over more than normal. Kids were fine (we are very open and talk lots and I know they would say if it was problematic) - I've had masses of work this week and my eldest wanted to watch a movie with me - Saturday night was the first night I've been able to due to client deadlines, so we agreed on Friday night that we'd have our movie night on Saturday.
Told OH that was our plan on Saturday morning and he was most put out, stating that as it was a Saturday night we should spend it together.

I pointed out that we'd seen a lot of each other and that it is important to me that my kids don't feel I put him over them.

He's still refusing to acknowledge my point and still if the opinion that because it was a Saturday, I should somehow have put him at the top of my tree.

I love my kids. I've made mistakes but they are my priority and we are very close (they are 9, 12 and 15).

Am I wrong to think he should back off? I feel like he's really out of order for stropping about this - but every time I try to get him to see my point of view he shuts it down by telling me he doesn't want to get into an argument. I'm really confused! WAS I unreasonable???

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TheStoic · 18/09/2017 05:27

My partner would never DREAM of complaining about any time I spent with my kids. And vice versa. What sort of an adult gets in a strop about a parent spending time with their kids??

Get rid of him. He sounds bloody awful.

Barbaro · 18/09/2017 06:28

Get rid of him. A man who is happy to steal an animal to upset others deliberately is not someone you want to be associating with.

SabineUndine · 18/09/2017 06:32

Is the dog a kind of hostage so you will continue to see him? TBH this guy sounds like a complete shit to me and I don't blame your kids for not wanting him around.

Tearsoffrustration · 18/09/2017 06:37

In isolation I would say if you usually spend Saturday night together then you should have given him more notice.

However from the backstory then I wouldn't want anything to do with him.

picklemepopcorn · 18/09/2017 06:51

I think your historical issues are affecting your judgement.

I think you are too obliging to OH, your boundaries with regard to the children are pretty good, OH cannot share you with your very reasonable children, he can't even accept the family unit's claim to the dog being bigger than his. He's putting his own needs first all the time.

No. Stop.

ShowMePotatoSalad · 18/09/2017 06:54

It's a difficult one. Obviously your kids come first but at the same time relationships should be fair and equal, not just based on the needs and wants of one of you. I wonder if you pick him up and drop him as and when it suits you, and that's what's upsetting him?

It sounds like you would both be happier not being together anymore?

Ropsleybunny · 18/09/2017 06:56

Definitely put your children first.

ShowMePotatoSalad · 18/09/2017 06:57

Saw the drip feed. The whole thing seems a strange situation to me, and not healthy.

mindutopia · 18/09/2017 07:04

From what you said, you decided to spend the evening with your kids. If he can't respect that, you shouldn't waste your time with him. People seem to be making this about your kids vs him and your kids needing to respect him, etc. But you decided you didn't want to see him that night after spending much of the week together. No one gets the right to tell you what you can and can't do in your free time. Sulking because he can't have you all to himself is controlling and manipulative. Irrespective of all the other questionable behaviour and the fact you wouldn't be with him if not for your financial ties, yes he is being unreasonable about this. You get to decide how you spend your time.

gingergenius · 18/09/2017 07:05

Apologies for drip feed. Deliberately left out details of breakup etc as didn't esntthis to become the main focus of my question - i.e. Was I in the wrong to want to spend Saturday night with my kids.

Think I have things to think about and decision to make but thanks all.

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blueberrypie0112 · 18/09/2017 07:09

No you are not wrong. It should not even be a big deal yet it is.

0ccamsRazor · 18/09/2017 08:14

Why are you with him Op? Your relationship bar is set really low, are you afraid to be on your own?

gingergenius · 18/09/2017 08:16

No. Not at all. Lots of history. Lots of historical good times, before things went wrong. Very entwined professionally. Lots of reasons really.

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bigfatbumfreak · 18/09/2017 08:22

Yes your flagging a dead horse, and it isn't even the dead horse you were flogging last time, it's deader,

another20 · 18/09/2017 10:28

This is an abusive and controlling relationship that you are in, as well as subjecting your children to it.

"...think older kids/early teens clashing with alternative father figure- recipe for disaster but I naively thought it could work. I have learned my lesson..."
Does n't look like it. It isn't working if you kids need to make themselves scarce in their own home when he is around. So for 5 nights last week your DC were walking on eggshells and hiding in their bedrooms.

"kids tolerate him"
Thats not good enough for your kids. They are v young and have already been subjected to a family break-up, endured a "clashing father figure - recipe for disaster", endured another relationship breakdown where their mother was cheated on and left with money issues - then THEY are punished by this evil person who steals their pet and refuses to give it back despite police involvement. Beyond cruel.

"He's still refusing to acknowledge my point and still if the opinion that because it was a Saturday, I should somehow have put him at the top of my tree. I feel like he's really out of order for stropping about this - but every time I try to get him to see my point of view he shuts it down by telling me he doesn't want to get into an argument."
Controlling, uncooperative, sulking, stone walling, abusive behaviour.

"There were some things that he did which have given the kids reason to give him a wide berth and although I still love him and I'm willing to give him another chance, I'm aware I don't have the right to expect the kids to do the same."
Plenty reasons here for anyone to give him a wide berth - not just your kids. No you dont have the right to expect the kids to give him a 2nd chance - but you are imposing this on them by having him in your home and demanding your time away from them.

"And they are respectful. They aren't rude, They just don't want to hang out with him!"
Shame OH doesnt have the same qualities that you expect from your DC. By his actions and your submission you are teaching your children to tolerate and accommodate bad behaviour in their own home.

"First my eldest son has the biggest problem with him. He's polite and will be respectful but because of dog issue, he'd prefer not to spend the evening with him, and would just go to his room if OH was here." Poor kid spent the last 5 out of 7 nights banished to his room.

"they are respectful and know that wilfully being rude is not acceptable." They must be confused because this behaviour (and much worse) is acceptable to you from OH.

"They found it all very upsetting." Did you find it upsetting yourself or to watch their distress? If so why have you erased that hurt? What has he done to make it up to you kids? Does he still see that he was right to kidnap their pet?

"There was money and another person involved." "I'm trying very hard to move on from these issues" - Looks like you are trying very hard to absorb them - moving on would be getting rid of this nasty individual.

"but I'm trying to focus on the current problem"
This is where you are going wrong. Look at the whole story, put it together, what do you see? What does he have to do worse than being a routinely bad adult in your DCs lives (clashing), having an affair, causing money problems, pulling the dog stealing stunt and causing immense distress and trauma to your kids, arguing, sulking etc when you want to spend time with one of them for the first time in OVER A WEEK when he has been with you all of this time?

Do know how much lower you can go here? Do you have any red lines?

"I've spoken to the DC and made it clear to them that he will not be moving back in because it wouldn't be appropriate or fair for anyone" - but he is there already.

"as long as he doesn't pull the same shit."- but he is and he will and he continues to do so.

gingergenius · 18/09/2017 11:21

@another20 when did I say I haven't spent time with my kids in over a week? I spend time with them every day! He came over later in the evening so there is no clash of interests. My son had asked me to watch a film with him which was too old for my other two so we waited until they were in bed before watching it. I'm not sure how I've given the impression that I haven't spent time with my kids, and apologies if that's how it seemed but that's just not the case. And no, he isn't living here. Sometimes he comes over later once the youngers are in bed and we chat over a bottle of wine and sometimes he stays and sometimes he goes home. We are not even remotely close to looking like we live together.

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gingergenius · 18/09/2017 11:22

And y s he realises he's behaved appallingly. He is now in therapy and deeply regrets the hurt he's caused. He has made that clear to my children.

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Butterymuffin · 18/09/2017 11:44

Has he made his regret clear to your children by bringing the dog back?

Fluffypinkpyjamas · 18/09/2017 11:49

Excuses and more excuses. Little point in posting really.

ElspethFlashman · 18/09/2017 12:02

Nah, this is bollocks.

Your kids don't like him. With reason.

He's in your house this week 5 days out of 7 and pushing for more.

But because he doesn't come round till 9 it doesn't matter? It somehow doesn't count?

This bloke who your kids can't bloody stand is in their house, downstairs, at least 3 times a week. You think that's fine, cos apparently they're ok with it.

Let me tell you a story. My parents had a friend I detested. She didn't like me, and I didn't like her. She was a cow. She "popped round" every single Sunday for YEARS and stay all afternoon.

I was polite, I vacated the living room and went up to my bedroom. Looking back I spent every Sunday in my bedroom. When I was an adult I brought it up and my parents basically said I should have been more emphatic. But I was a kid, it wasn't my place to tell them who they could or couldn't be friends with. She wasn't evil, she was just someone I disliked. My parents obviously enjoyed her company. It wasn't enough to rip their friendship apart. So I out up with it, and avoided her.

I really wish my parents hadn't been waiting for me to be the bad guy. I really wish they had been the bad guy for me.

gingergenius · 18/09/2017 12:03

@ElspethFlashman I'm sorry for your experiences

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gingergenius · 18/09/2017 12:04

Again, your comments are good for thought. Thankyou. I need to sort things out.

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Ellisandra · 18/09/2017 12:31

Bottom line for me - you said that if you didn't have the conplication of the business, you probably wouldn't have tried again with him.

Therefore, you're always going to put your kids first, because this isn't the relationship for you.

I think that kids have to come first - overall. But there are times when they come second because it's fine for you to have a relationship too.

On this occasion, I wouldn't have put your wisest first. But I think there'll be other occasions when actually you should prioritise your romantic relationship. But you won't, because deep down, you don't want this man enough. If you did, you wouldn't be saying that you probably wouldn't have got back together if not for work.

It just sounds like it's not enough for you.

Ellisandra · 18/09/2017 12:33

^ fat fingers and autocorrect!
On this occasion I would have put your eldest first

gingergenius · 18/09/2017 12:49

@Ellisandra yes that's possible. I do still have feelings for him but ultimately you're probably fairly close to the truth. It's got me down tbh. Probably because I'm clinging on to happier times. This thread and its responses has caused mixed feelings and I've got to do some hard thinking about how to deal with it. It's complicated by work matters so I'll need advice to avoid my business imploding.

Thankyou for your thought provoking response though. As I've said before, I really need to work out a plan.

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