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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Leaving an angry man

116 replies

newmumintown · 29/07/2017 17:27

I am about to send this email to my husband (who is away from home at the moment). I should be pretty self-explanatory, but i just wanted to see if anyone had any thoughts...should I even send it, anything I can add that might make him realise he's become a bastard, recommendations about what to do next???
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where to start? i wanted to let you know how i am feeling and maybe get some sort of dialog going before we lose the ability to communicate completely.

i can not live like this anymore. i dont want the children to live like this anymore. i can't stop thinking that your anger and nastiness is only going to continue until you are on to your next family and you realise that you are making the same mistakes again. maybe by the time you get there you will be ready to do something about it. i just wish that it didnt have to come at the expense our beautiful children (and myself), who will be heartbroken.

it is ok and perfectly natural to be angry. what is not ok is using that anger on the people you love by swearing, shouting, calling names and lashing out. it is also not ok to get angry 10 times a day for fairly minor everyday occurrences. i know you think i'm blowing it out of proportion ("its not as bad as youre making out"), but i can already see the effects...x talking to me (and his brother) like shit because he sees you do it. x cowering when he makes a mistake. i still keep picturing x's face when you whacked him over the head with that inflatablel by the pool, sunglasses all skew-wiff, not knowing what had hit him. that's all i could think about when we got home.

you have so many fantastic fatherly qualities, but they are all overshadowed by the thoughts that you could turn at any time from loving, patient, generous and funny to scary and threatening. i feel ashamed that i have let this go on for so long, but never in a million years did i want my amazing kids coming from a broken home, shipped from parent to parent, no single place to call home. but i cant let it go on and, knowing that you dont think there is a problem on that front, i know that you wont do anything about it.

it's not up to me or the children to keep you happy to stop you from getting angry, it's impossible to stop anyone in the world from getting angry at some point...there is always going to be some event, problem, mistake, accident etc that is going to happen and the point is to know how to handle it in a way that doesnt scare, upset and traumatise your family. like it or not, there are times when you scare us. and those times are not rare.
deep down in my heart i know that things are never really going to change, you've as much as told me so by refusing to accept that it's a problem and getting some help with it. i keep hoping and believing and every time you tell me to fuck off or remind me how useless i am because i dont go out to work or scare or belittle the kids for some minor misdemeanour that hope continues to disappear and my hatred of myself for letting it happen gets worse.

i hope you can see this email for what it is...not 'having a go', not letting myself off the hook for my share of the blame (I certainly know I'm "not so fucking perfect"), not feeling sorry for myself, just being totally brutally honest about the breakdown of my marriage and the seriously shitty outlook for my family - the people i love the most in the world - for the foreseeable future. its completely shit and i actually feel sorry for you in some ways that this was the way you were brought up, living with an angry man, so this is normal for you. im also really really angry that you would wish that sort of childhood on your children. and ultimately, you are their most important role model for life. they look to you for how a man should behave, in life and in relationships and they are learning to treat the people they love with disrespect and aggression. to use force and intimidation to get what they want rather than discussion and reasonable behaviour.

and also we as a couple should be showing them how relationships should be...loving, mutually respectful, reasonable, happy...i dont see much of that on either side. in fact most of what they see is disdain and silence. we should be ashamed of ourselves. i know i am.

but again, we carry on, making the same mistakes, covering the same ground, having the same conversation about what life should be like. it cant go on. i dont want it to anymore. i just wish you would see it and want to learn how to control it, because its time to decide what we really want to happen and make it happen

OP posts:
Dracarys17 · 18/08/2017 11:09

well done newmumintown you are being really strong and brave!

This thread has made me well up, you've all described my STExH to a T! I never thought about the link between anger and control/power. It's true though and definitely something I see in my DF too.

He's also focused on him, what he has done (getting help), still only sees it as an anger management issue (even though I have pointed out that he doesn't get angry/lash out in other environments, just with me), not that he's been abusive (physical and emotional) etc.

Good luck today OP

ginandlime · 18/08/2017 11:31

Good luck. Flowers
If he tries to confront you at your parent's house, surely that is in breach of the non molestation order? Mine states that he can't come within 100 metres of me.

newmumintown · 18/08/2017 13:44

Wow we are away. Holed up at my mum's waiting for the bomb to drop. Nervous as hell but phase 1 complete! Papers will be served some time after 2.

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TeenyW123 · 18/08/2017 14:32

Well done Newmum.

Make sure you familiarise yourself with 'The Script'.

It's a list of th shit these abusers come out with to suck you back in.

Perhaps someone can find it please?

JK1773 · 18/08/2017 14:40

Remember any contact from him call the police. Give him no leeway at all. Really well done. I hope you get some peace now Flowers

Desmondo2016 · 18/08/2017 14:44

Keep strong. Remember this is the journey not the destination and unfortunately there will be more hard times ahead but it sounds like you have all the necessary strength and resolve to come through

hellsbellsmelons · 18/08/2017 15:13

Well done
Sit tight and wait for it all to kick off.
Handle everything with a calm and measured response if you need to.
Ignore if you can.
I really hope it goes OK though.

SunshineHQ · 18/08/2017 15:59

Good luck thinking of you.
We left my abusive Ex nearly three years ago, with Women's Aid advice, and I somehow managed to sort out a 2 bed flat without him knowing, and left while he was away on a work trip. It was terrifying, and the most gutsy thing I have ever done.

Effendi · 18/08/2017 16:06

Oh my, good luck and sending good vibes to you!

HaudYerWheeshtBawbag · 18/08/2017 16:21

I wouldn't send that OP, if you want to leave make it clear and simple, state we will be getting a divorce if you don't attend anger management and marriage relate, and until then we will be separated.

Clear and simple, personally I wouldn't give him a change I'd just divorce!

HaudYerWheeshtBawbag · 18/08/2017 16:24

Sorry only read your OP

Good luck today x

Teabay · 18/08/2017 17:07

Well done OP - you are an amazing mum, and an amazing WOMAN too!

Remember that, when you were a woman and not just a "crap wife" (fave phrase of my exH)

You are FAB! Hope things going ok.

newmumintown · 18/08/2017 18:18

He's been served. We've spent the afternoon cowering behind the curtains as the sheriff's officer took forever to get to him. He eventually turned up, had a bit of a cry and tried to get me to let him in to 'cuddle the children' and only went away when I said I was going to call the police. Had a tearful conversation, acknowledges he has a problem, we can work it out, I hate myself, I'll get counselling. This would have worked 6 months ago, not now. Thanks everyone x

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Kr1stina · 18/08/2017 18:37

Well done OP, you have done so well, you are decisive and brave.

Glad to hear your family are so supportive.

Can I just check that he doesn't know your MN name ? Is he likely to stalk you here ?

ginandlime · 18/08/2017 18:39

Well done, a brave decision. Stick with it! Flowers

Offred · 18/08/2017 20:09

This is you, this is not us.

You need to absolutely take all the credit for how wonderful and strong and right you have been today.

I'm sorry it was hard but you have handled it absolutely perfectly, you wonderful, wonderful woman, you!

Flowers
newmumintown · 18/08/2017 20:46

I don't think he knows my mn name. Getting lots of 'Woe is me' messages now. Does it really take it to be this far gone before they admit a problem? It's totally over for me but if there was even a shadow of doubt in my head he'd have me convinced by now. Un-bloody-believable.

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ClopySow · 18/08/2017 20:53

Sadly it does seem to take you leaving for them to actually admit there could be a problem and want to address it. It's too little, too late more often than not.

How are you feeling this evening?

Naicehamshop · 18/08/2017 21:23

Well done newmum! Flowers

timeisnotaline · 18/08/2017 22:09

Oh well done!! You are amazing :)

Desmondo2016 · 18/08/2017 22:12

And we'll done to your parents for being perfectly supportive

cestlavielife · 18/08/2017 22:21

Well done
Stay strong
Give it a week or so then arrange for dc to see him... ideally have your dad or someone go along and have them meet in public place e.g. park.
If he makes threats or shows anger that's a good reason to keep visits with dc out in the public.
Far better your dc have a lovely stable nice peaceful home to come back to .

newmumintown · 18/08/2017 23:26

Yay for me! I'm feeling much better! Dark cloud has lifted and I know hard times are to come (maybe even tonight after he has a drink or starts to get angry rather than upset) but, my god, the change in atmosphere and positive feelings are so much better than constant eggshells and occasional rage! My poor parents, I think this has aged them 10 years but they are so fantastic. This has happened so quickly and i can honestly say, hopefully without it sounding too cheesy, that if it wasn't for you guys opening my eyes I would still be in that house, probably apologising for overreacting. Boys are happily sleeping, fingers crossed for a quiet night from their daddy

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greenberet · 19/08/2017 00:09

op I take my hat off to you - your courage and bravery is admirable. Can I just ask please if there is more to your story than you have put in your letter - I have recently got divorced from an angry man - who is still extremely angry - his behaviour was mainly emotional & financial control although he did throw things and could be extremely intimidating.

I am interested that your solicitor identifies the domestic abuse - mine never did despite claiming to - and as a result my divorce has been hell. I actually feel that I was abused by my solicitor too.

I read the Lundy book - it explains a lot.

I wish you & your kids the best - you also have great parents. Keep strong Flowers

ginandlime · 19/08/2017 10:11

newmum, do read the terms of your non mol order. They're all different to deal with different circumstances, but he may not be allowed to contact you via phone or social media. He may only be allowed to contact via a solicitor. This means you don't have to cope with 'woe is me' or angry texts.
Well done for getting as far as you have, it's damned hard, I've been there. Good luck for the future.

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