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Leaving an angry man

116 replies

newmumintown · 29/07/2017 17:27

I am about to send this email to my husband (who is away from home at the moment). I should be pretty self-explanatory, but i just wanted to see if anyone had any thoughts...should I even send it, anything I can add that might make him realise he's become a bastard, recommendations about what to do next???
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where to start? i wanted to let you know how i am feeling and maybe get some sort of dialog going before we lose the ability to communicate completely.

i can not live like this anymore. i dont want the children to live like this anymore. i can't stop thinking that your anger and nastiness is only going to continue until you are on to your next family and you realise that you are making the same mistakes again. maybe by the time you get there you will be ready to do something about it. i just wish that it didnt have to come at the expense our beautiful children (and myself), who will be heartbroken.

it is ok and perfectly natural to be angry. what is not ok is using that anger on the people you love by swearing, shouting, calling names and lashing out. it is also not ok to get angry 10 times a day for fairly minor everyday occurrences. i know you think i'm blowing it out of proportion ("its not as bad as youre making out"), but i can already see the effects...x talking to me (and his brother) like shit because he sees you do it. x cowering when he makes a mistake. i still keep picturing x's face when you whacked him over the head with that inflatablel by the pool, sunglasses all skew-wiff, not knowing what had hit him. that's all i could think about when we got home.

you have so many fantastic fatherly qualities, but they are all overshadowed by the thoughts that you could turn at any time from loving, patient, generous and funny to scary and threatening. i feel ashamed that i have let this go on for so long, but never in a million years did i want my amazing kids coming from a broken home, shipped from parent to parent, no single place to call home. but i cant let it go on and, knowing that you dont think there is a problem on that front, i know that you wont do anything about it.

it's not up to me or the children to keep you happy to stop you from getting angry, it's impossible to stop anyone in the world from getting angry at some point...there is always going to be some event, problem, mistake, accident etc that is going to happen and the point is to know how to handle it in a way that doesnt scare, upset and traumatise your family. like it or not, there are times when you scare us. and those times are not rare.
deep down in my heart i know that things are never really going to change, you've as much as told me so by refusing to accept that it's a problem and getting some help with it. i keep hoping and believing and every time you tell me to fuck off or remind me how useless i am because i dont go out to work or scare or belittle the kids for some minor misdemeanour that hope continues to disappear and my hatred of myself for letting it happen gets worse.

i hope you can see this email for what it is...not 'having a go', not letting myself off the hook for my share of the blame (I certainly know I'm "not so fucking perfect"), not feeling sorry for myself, just being totally brutally honest about the breakdown of my marriage and the seriously shitty outlook for my family - the people i love the most in the world - for the foreseeable future. its completely shit and i actually feel sorry for you in some ways that this was the way you were brought up, living with an angry man, so this is normal for you. im also really really angry that you would wish that sort of childhood on your children. and ultimately, you are their most important role model for life. they look to you for how a man should behave, in life and in relationships and they are learning to treat the people they love with disrespect and aggression. to use force and intimidation to get what they want rather than discussion and reasonable behaviour.

and also we as a couple should be showing them how relationships should be...loving, mutually respectful, reasonable, happy...i dont see much of that on either side. in fact most of what they see is disdain and silence. we should be ashamed of ourselves. i know i am.

but again, we carry on, making the same mistakes, covering the same ground, having the same conversation about what life should be like. it cant go on. i dont want it to anymore. i just wish you would see it and want to learn how to control it, because its time to decide what we really want to happen and make it happen

OP posts:
rizlett · 31/07/2017 16:24

sorry. manipulate you not him.

yetmorecrap · 31/07/2017 16:31

I personally think everyone is different and 'some angry guys' (and I'm married to one who is a bit volatile) whilst not being exactly receptive at least would know what your reasoning is. They are going to probably make you feel crap, sent or not sent though. You know your DH better than anyone on here. I for instance would rather get something like this from a partner than just 'here are the divorce papers and I'm leaving next week'. It comes down to what you feel ok with at the end of the day, it probably wont make any difference to how ok/lousy he reacts but if it makes you feel its easier to explain then I don't see whats wrong with that. Some guys are just very difficult to have a rational argument/chat with if its something not to their liking.

Offred · 31/07/2017 16:48

I wrote one of these (after years and years of writing many that were ignored).

In the end I never sent it to him. I went to the police and it is going to form the basis of my victim impact statement.

pallasathena · 31/07/2017 17:15

I'd focus my energies on leaving. Can you afford to do that?

hellsbellsmelons · 31/07/2017 17:24

they adore him
No they don't.
They cower when he shouts.
They are shocked when he is physical.
They are learning, like you are, how to appease him.
To try to keep the peace.
They probably dislike him a lot.

I would send the email.
You've typed it out anyway.
But I'd change the end.

because its time to decide what we really want to happen and make it happen
Replace with
Because I don't love you anymore and because you've killed any love or respect I had for you, I will be leaving and filing for divorce.
Please get yourself a solicitor and let me know the details

Hermonie2016 · 31/07/2017 17:46

I left stbxh for similar reasons.I think if you feel you need to try once more then consider sending an email but I'd recommend it's short and to the point, if he cared about the impact on your feelings he wouldn't be angry so I don't think "impact statements" will work.

You might feel it's useful to detail any physical aggression as it could help you later down the line.

It could be your H will be calmer when he has the children solo, as it will be time limited.This is often the case.

If anger is normalised to him (learnt behaviour) it will take enormous effort from to change..not impossible but needs serious investment from him.

Angry men are often angry because they get a benefit from the behaviour..when you see this link you realise that's why they won't give it up.Anger gets him compliance and maybe his needs come first because everyone knows not to upset Dad.He growls because he wants to show everyone he's top dog and you need to toe the line.

When you become aware of the link between anger and power it makes it easier to understand why he's not keen to change.

yetmorecrap · 31/07/2017 17:50

I agree with you on that hellsBells.or if the OP doesn't want to instantly file for divorce change to separation. personally I think if the outcome is going to be 'pissy' either waysometimes it helps to get it off your chest and make sure you don't leave anything outwhich is easy to do in a face to face. I guess everyone feels differently about how to confront what is not going to be a nice situation . I had a friend who simply changed the locks and left a letter taped to the door!! another stripped the house whilst he was away and sent him a voice message in middle of night whilst he was away for work. some cant face tears and tantrums and throwing stuff etc whilst feeling low or if kids present. It really depends very much on the couples dynamics.

pudding21 · 31/07/2017 18:00

The anger is pure control tactics, can he control himself in public? I will give you an example, at the weekend my 9 year old woke up and picked up a recipe book and decided to make me pancakes in bed. I let him do everything, and then helped him tidy the mess afterwards. He was so so pleased with himself. If this had been 7 months ago and we were all in the house, ex would have come downstairs, shouted at us all, moaned and made us all feel like shit.

Ex text me this morning to say that DC had made him pancakes but he did most of it so there wasn't much left. Still controlling, but no anger. He used to shout and create at home to control ME.

When you start looking at the anger as a means to control you and keep you in your place, you will start to get more drive to leave. Why should you be controlled?

newmumintown · 31/07/2017 18:09

it's so good to get new perspectives from people who have been there. i know this can't go on and i know i don't love him anymore because of it. i also know things will get much worse before they get any better as it will all be about him and his feelings rather than minimising the damage to the kids. i hate that i made such a bad choice in father for them

OP posts:
pudding21 · 31/07/2017 20:06

Newmum: you're totally right but you're prepared for it. My ex told me he wouldn't make it easy for me and I'm still entwined in some way and finding it difficult to disconnect completly. He also said to me the other day that it's only tough on him not the kids, not me. He is so full of self pity it's very unattractive. If he'd had let me go easily, told me to go get some space and backed off you know there might have been a chance, but he's showed himself in the last few months and now I'm not in it it's much easier to see. It's been a roller coaster of emotions as I do still love him. AnywAy, I wanted to say I had to leave saying I wanted to seperate and have space to gather strength to tell him it was totally over. I did that three months in once I'd come out the fog. Do it how you think is best, don't waste too much time. I wanted to leave for three whole years! Good luck and keep posting. Watch your passwords for your emails etc, some pms from mumsnet send a notification to your email. Cover your tracks and get a plan in motion.

Aussiebean · 31/07/2017 20:23

Have a look at the thread 'I'm leaving him'.

It might help as the op is going through similar but she is further along

newmumintown · 01/08/2017 20:39

If I tried to take the children, yes. I have no savings of my own but very supportive parents who know the score and want to help. My mum also witnessed the threat.

OP posts:
newmumintown · 05/08/2017 07:10

Well, I'm on the way. I had a meeting with a solicitor yesterday who reckons I'm in a very good position to get out, take the children and get a temporary residency order. We have laid out a plan for getting out within the next month which gives me something to aim for. Just need to try to keep things calm for the next few weeks to make sure the nastiness is kept to a minimum. I didn't send the email. I realised (with all your help) that if he didn't already know that what he did in anger was wrong, I wasn't going to change that, there's just something missing inside him. It's going to be hard but I need to do it for my gorgeous boys.

OP posts:
AdalindSchade · 05/08/2017 07:14

Well done!

KJPxx · 05/08/2017 07:26

It takes a lot of courage to realise your relationship has broken down, I know it's taken me long enough and I was petrified about how my OH would be around the kids when he has been so awful, aggressive and miserable for so long. However. I came to realise his anger and misery was from the relationship with myself. We had became a couple who rarely spoke, when we did it was cross words. Shared no intimacy and no interests, but when I would be out at work and he was in the house with the kids I used to sit and chat with them about their day - this man who was so shitty to me was actually a different person when I wasn't around. They'd watch movies. Play games. Go to the park. He'd laugh with them - I forgot he could even smile!!!
So maybe sometimes the toxicity comes from the unhappy relationship and once that toxic core is gone, both you and your husband may find you are both happier with a healthier outlook on life.
It's not a nice realisation but it made sense once I did. Good Luck OP. Sometimes people are cynical and say just leave. Walk away. You shouldn't discuss it etc etc. Truth is theoretically that may work but it doesn't practically xx

ChinUpChestOut · 05/08/2017 07:33

OP I've just read through this thread and I've been shocked not only by your DH's behaviour, but by some of the other MNers' xDHs. A marriage should not be about appeasing the other, with DCs learning the 'treading on eggshells' behaviour as they grow up.

Well done for taking on board the advice from the collective wisdom of MN, and well done for taking the first steps to getting yourselves out. I hope your planning goes well - perhaps starting with taking copies of any financial statements, which will not be easily available to to you once you've left?

Aussiebean · 05/08/2017 07:36

Woohoo. Cheering for you and dcs. Flowers

newmumintown · 16/08/2017 19:50

Shitting it. I'm serving divorce papers on him on Friday when I'm hopefully away with the kids. On the grounds of domestic abuse. I have a non-molestation order in place that he will he unaware of until he has the paperwork so he can be arrested if he upsets me, but he's still going to go mental. Reassurance please......

Have made my plans and now can only wait and see if it all comes off. Sitting here feeling sick need a hand hold!

OP posts:
KJPxx · 16/08/2017 20:06

Reaching out to you OP, you're incredibly brave. I can relate to the way you are feeling, I know it's going to be a long process OP, and a tough one but I will pray for you and your children and pray that you all get the safe, fresh start that you need. Good luck OP. Please check back in when you are free xxx

butterfly56 · 16/08/2017 20:31

Hi newmumintown I know this is an extremely stressful time for you and hope you will be in a safe place before friday when he gets the divorce papers.
You are doing the right thing for both you and your children Flowers
You all deserve to be happy and live a peaceful life

Putyourhandsintheair · 16/08/2017 20:40

Hand hold

jeaux90 · 16/08/2017 20:46

Well done. You are being so brave. A lot of us have been at the same point as you and felt exactly the same.

But you are absolutely doing the right thing for you and your children.

Handhold x

Aperolspritzer123 · 16/08/2017 20:48

Well done newmum. You're so so brave and you've done the absolute right thing for your children.
I am 6 months down the line too. As pp also said, my ex is a lot better with the kids now.. he takes them out and does things he's never done before... they like going! Most importantly - they come HOME to me, to our safe, tension free space. Keep us posted Flowers

JK1773 · 16/08/2017 20:49

Really well done OP! Things really will get better now Flowers

Desmondo2016 · 16/08/2017 20:51

Wow OP how brave you have been and continuing to be. Well done you. We will all be here for a hand hold on Friday.

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