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DH and money

112 replies

QueenOfTheHuns · 06/05/2017 19:46

Have name changed for this - could do with some advice or just to get this all off my chest, sorry if it ends up being a long one!

DH and I have been together 10 years, married for 4 months. No children yet.
Now he's always been a bit shit with money in that his parents would pay for everything and he never had to take responsibility for bills etc. When he moved in with me I was living with a friend paying half of the bills and DH would give me half of that back in cash which was the easiest thing for us at the time. We've always sort of plotted along like this, however DH then started to get a bit slack with paying me back on time. We would row about it every now and again and then he would catch up.
I do earn slightly more than him - maybe £300 more a month on average - but I have a car to pay for (he doesn't drive).
When we decided to get married I talked about joint accounts etc and he wasn't keen - but I was fine with it because we both earn our own money and spend it as we like. But he has become a lot worse at paying me back on time and I'm starting to reach the end of my tether.
He says he genuinely forgets and doesn't always go near a cash machine. He refuses to get online banking, god knows why. I suggested he set up a direct debit into my account for every payday and then it's paid and I don't have to keep asking - I'm driving myself mad nagging about it all the time! - but he doesn't want to do that. He still gets his bank statements sent to his mum's house and when we're there he takes them into another room to open. I've asked to see them, he says it's nothing to do with me. I've told him it's not normal to keep finances so separate when you're married and I'm worried he's either skint and hiding it or he's got loads of money and hiding it - I don't know what's worse! He says I don't need to be worried and he just forgets to give me the money.
My outgoings are over £1000 a month including my car, phone bill etc. He's supposed to pay me back £160 a week - I'm currently getting £150 every few weeks so he's just getting more and more behind. He owes me money from rent paid almost a year ago! Meanwhile I'm keeping up to date with bills etc because if I didn't I'd have nowhere to live, no nice things etc. In a way I feel I'm protecting myself financially by being able to provide for myself but also I've shot myself in the foot by letting it get this far.
I'm now scared to start a family with him because I know it would be even worse. Im worried about our future and I feel like he could easily leave me high and dry if he decided he didn't want to be with me one day. This does not shock him into action - he says he's going to try harder to be better but at this point I've heard it all before and so the cycle goes on.
The thing is, he's otherwise a good guy and I love him otherwise I wouldn't have married him. Whenever I've read similar threads in the past I always imagine stroppy teenager type men who sit on their arses all day playing video games - he isn't like that at all. I just don't know where to go from here! Any advice? (That is if you've made it this far Grin)

OP posts:
gamerchick · 06/05/2017 19:54

Me and my husband have seperate finances but even I find your setup odd.

Maybe he needs to go home to mummy until he's ready to be a grown up?

RandomMess · 06/05/2017 19:55

Honestly I'd give him an ultimatum direct debit of £x each week - to include paying back what he owes or it's over.

His financially responsibility needs to start now...

gamerchick · 06/05/2017 19:55

Maybe tell him you want a standing order set up on Monday or he can go back to his parents. You are not his mother where bills are optional.

BitchPeas · 06/05/2017 19:58

He's taking the piss out of you. You are not his mother! This would be a deal breaker for me to be honest, it's selfish and sneaky, I couldn't respect a man who was a sponger. Give him an ultimatum, shape up or ship out. And mean it.

thistoosha11pass · 06/05/2017 20:00

Do not marry this man. I'm about to divorce a similar man, but 10 years of marriage, 3 kids and many headaches later. How will he respond when you have children and they need things? Will you have to "nag"? I had to, in the end I just ended up paying for everything and resenting him. Send him home to his mum, he sounds like a man child.

ImperialBlether · 06/05/2017 20:01

He's a cocklodger, isn't he? I think what he's done is think "She earns more than I do so she can pay/won't mind waiting" and then spends his own money on himself.

I couldn't be doing with this and would tell him now - before there are any children on the scene - that he has to go back to live with his mum until he's grown up enough to have a proper marriage. He needs a massive shock, OP. You've complained and moaned and meanwhile you're broke and he's either loaded or has wasted all your money.

BTW if he just forgets to give you the money, it should still be in his account, so there's nothing stopping you and him going to a cashpoint tomorrow - drive him there - and getting out all the money he owes you.

It's time for you to get angry.

YNK · 06/05/2017 20:02

You realise that as his wife you are jointly responsible for any debts?
He needs to be transparent about his finances and set up a standing order for his costs immediately, otherwise you need to ltb and see a solicitor asap!

Paperdoll16 · 06/05/2017 20:06

YNK no she isn't. She's not responsible for anything that isn't in her name.

Theresnonamesleft · 06/05/2017 20:10

Lol at the poster advising don't marry this man.

Give him an ultimatum. By 4pm Monday he sets up a standing order/direct debit to include not only the current bills but also extra fro back pay. Or he can move back to mummy and remain the pathetic man child he is.

Paperdoll16 · 06/05/2017 20:13

Op, I'm confused. Are you saying his outgoings per month are a mere £640-800 depending on whether it's a 4 or 5 week month. That includes rent and bills etc.

Read your OP post back again. Although sons married people keep their finances separately they generally unite in terms of it being their house etc.. you refer to your house and your bills which could indirectly make him feel almost like it's not his responsibility as he's like a lodger that pays towards your bills.

This definitely needs to change. As you've recognised, what on earth will happen when you're on a limited income from maternity pay only? Confused

I suggest an ultimatum to show him you're serious about this. He's acting very immaturely and irresponsibly. How old is this man? Otherwise you could get a free credit report online from noddle which may show you what he's hiding from you. Not the best option but it may be what you need to resort to.

QueenOfTheHuns · 06/05/2017 20:14

We moved house a few months ago and when i asked if we could pay half of the rent from each account the lady looked at me like my head had fallen off and said "Well why would you do that, you're married!?" She had a point! I feel like - Well I am - being made a mug of. You're all absolutely right. I don't want a failed marriage, I don't want to split up etc but he needs to be better. We've had this same row so many times though. And every time he apologises and says he will pay me back. Then a few weeks later we're back in this same situation.
I'd go to his parents to give him a kick up the arse but tbh I feel like they're partly responsible - they paid his way for him and threw money at all problems, even though they were hardly well off themselves. In fact he owes money to his dad that he's also owed for a long time. I think like ImperialBlether says, he just thinks well they can afford it, they won't mind. And we let him away with it because we love him.

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EatsLeavesAndShit · 06/05/2017 21:02

It's lucky that you didn't set the rent up to come out of two accounts, because you know that he wouldn't pay, or he'd ask you to cover it 'this time', until you're just paying all the rent anyway.

He owes you a year's worth of rent! That's a huge amount, and the only reason it's built up so much it because he knows you're the lowest priority. He wouldn't get away with not paying his phone or credit card that long.

Opening the bank statements in a different room is weird, he's purposefully hiding his financial position from you. Who paid for the wedding and how did you arrange that? Did you divide everything down to an exact split between you?

I would send him back to his mum's until he's caught up on rent and wants to live like an adult. There's no motivation for him to change at the moment.

QueenOfTheHuns · 06/05/2017 21:28

Oh god I almost don't want to say because I know exactly what I would think if I read this about someone else... We got a loan to help pay for the wedding, it's in both names but the repayment comes out of my account and it was just factored into the money he was supposed to pay me back per month. I just find it easier because I know I can afford it (just) and like you say, I can't risk him missing payments etc. I pretty much paid for our honeymoon myself by doing extra shifts.

Reading it all written down I sound like an absolute tit. Like I said tho I don't want to split up and he's stubborn, if I sent him back to his mum's he wouldn't swallow his pride and come back. He says he is going to start paying me regularly from Friday (his next payday). He assures me he is committed to me and to our marriage. I will give him the benefit of the doubt. But I'm not hopeful!

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BattleaxeGalactica · 06/05/2017 21:33

Could he be gambling, OP?

The secrecy and the constant excuses are ringing very loud alarm bells.

Ellisandra · 06/05/2017 21:37

Bloody hell.
Not setting up the standing order? That's quite simply theft, to me.
I just couldn't be with someone who stole from me.
I might love someone who was forgetful, never near a bank and who didn't want online banking. I couldn't love someone who recognised that in themselves and didn't go to a bank ONCE to set up a standing order.
He is stealing your money.
Nothing else lovely that he does, is enough to mitigate that. Sad

GlitteryFluff · 06/05/2017 21:39

I'd demand to see bank statements. If he refuses I'd tell him to stay with his mum until he will.

QuiteLikely5 · 06/05/2017 21:39

Do you get birthday pressies? Do he offer to pay for meals/drinks when you're out?

He sounds mean and tight fisted to me. Greedy even

Who oh why did you marry him!??

highinthesky · 06/05/2017 21:40

Given that DH is genuinely so "forgetful" I think you could do worse than adopt the Indian way of doings things.

The husband gives all his money to his wife for housekeeping, and in return she lets him have some pocket money. As long as you don't accidentally "forget" Wink

ChickenBhuna · 06/05/2017 21:40

I'm sorry OP.

I was married to a person that was shit with money and it only got worse as the years went by. We're divorced and I'm still paying off joint debts.

Ellisandra · 06/05/2017 21:43

There's "shit with money".
And there's "refuses to set up a standing order".
Confused

He's a thief, it's that simple.

BifsWif · 06/05/2017 21:43

And what if he doesn't start paying you back?

Where is your line on this OP?

Justmadeperfectflapjacks · 06/05/2017 21:47

Please don't have any kids with this man until he is open with his finances.

He is hiding something from you. .
You need to find out what exactly..

Lucked · 06/05/2017 21:48

Can you organise/insist he takes over paying the bills and then you owe him and you can set up a standing order. Also you need to start a spreadsheet with how much he owes you and what he has paid or he will try and pull the wool over your eyes.

I also want to reassure you that you are normal and his behaviour is shady.

NoSquirrels · 06/05/2017 21:48

Ask him to show you his bank account statements for the last 3 months.

Tell him you need to understand if there is a problem.

Tell him that if he will not, he clearly has something to hide - and that marriages are built on trust.

Mean it.

Tell hme m that if the standing order is not set up by next Friday (with proof of paperwork) that you will consider it a fundamental act of disrespect.

Tell him the standing order needs to be for £160 per week PLUS arrears (you decide amount -£40?)

Mean it.

fruitlovingmonkey · 06/05/2017 21:50

He sounds really tight. Not a good quality in a husband. Having children puts you in a position of insecurity, thanks to your female biology. If you are to make yourself vulnerable in that way, you need a partner you can trust and rely on.
Demand to see his previous statements and give him a deadline to pay you back and set up a direct debit.

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