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Difficult new boyfriend?!

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icecreamsundae82 · 28/04/2017 23:33

Oh god don't know where to start!

So been with my new boy almost 3months but we've had about 4 big arguments - is this normal?!

I came from a very bad abusive relationship before and didn't give myself enough time - my fault - but as my new boyf seemed so good for me at the time I got straight into a relationship

The problems we have are that we are BOTH quite emotional and when we do disagree like tonight it's never ever his fault...always me

Tonight was over the disagreement we had on the phone Thursday night! He wanted to talk about it which was fine but it led to a very looooong what appeared to be a verbal ear bashing from him....he says I ' talk at him' ' rant' in an argument but I honestly don't think I do? Then when I tried not to even get upset in anyway shape or form tonight and not even try and say the wrong thing...he still gets upset with me?

He makes me feel like I'm in the wrong all the time and I got to the point where I asked him to leave my flat tonight which I feel so sad about
Even though when we've had the other 3 bad arguments we've said let's try and sort it before we get upset.....but I got really upset and I tried not to...but I couldn't help it

I'm sat here so upset as I have really fallen for him but just need to talk to someone - like to argue this much isn't right is it?!

There's other red flags don't wanna rant so if anyone there up and can talk to me would appreciate it

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Trills · 29/04/2017 00:12

It sounds like your life with him in it is less pleasant than your life would be if you were single.

That might not be his fault. It might just be that you are not ready for a relationship.

But it doesn't matter whose fault it is.

Would your life be better like this, or would your life be better without him in it?

TheDevilMadeMeDoIt · 29/04/2017 00:19

He targeted you because it was obvious you were vulnerable. He won you over by being kind and sweet and supportive, to trap you into loving him and therefore less likely to leave.

Now he's starting to show you who and what he really is, and what he is is a controlling, gaslighting idiot, but he's hoping that if he's made it good enough in the very early stages you'll still be too in love with him to notice and he can snare you in even tighter.

The man you're grieving for never really existed. It was a carefully crafted fake persona. So let him go like you did when you found out that Santa and the tooth fairy didn't exist - shrug and get on with your life.

But don't feel bad or guilty or a fool for being taken in by him.Men like that have their art polished to a T. They're experts.

icecreamsundae82 · 29/04/2017 00:20

I think both

I don't think I'm ready when he treats me like this

Like he has asked me to move in with him
He's buying a house and when he gets it he's basically said move in straight away OR whenever I'm ready ?! So when I said I was a little concerned it was too early ( as it is !) that's what led into the argument on the phone?! I said ' you don't get my situation ! And that was it....he got very very upset with me to say the least....he said he couldn't believe I said that and that he DOES understand my situation
Ok fine maybe he does but is it really a bad question to ask someone
When I said I had a lot to think about as I would have to change jobs change my lo schools he just went on and on about how he couldn't believe I said he didn't understand ?!

I mean as things are so full on and intense we've talked about the future but tbh it just scared me a bit and has made me unsettled
He did and was VERY reassuring but it still felt like I needed more so I can see why he's upset as maybe I didn't jump at the chance and say yes but as I'm still hurt from my past I can't go making decisions like that after 3 months!
One breath he says he gets it but the other he doesn't seem to understand

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icecreamsundae82 · 29/04/2017 00:25

The devil made me
Love your post!
Wicked. Your all right
I'm not just saying it but I should have listened to my gut but I was taken in

Oh god we've gone fb official ! How embarrassing!!!!

What have I done....I need some councilling
TBH I've been struggling for a long time

Where do I go to get some help? Im so ashamed of myself
To

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seoulsurvivor · 29/04/2017 00:25

Agree with what everyone else said about abusive men being able to spot vulnerable women. I only found a decent guy once I was happy in myself.

icecreamsundae82 · 29/04/2017 00:28

I was having problems
With my boyf for months...he knew that as everyone else did as we were friends before
We starting talking more and although he did give me good advice like give it another go with my ex if I loved him which I did it didn't work
So literally he said come over for a chat and I said I wasn't ready for a relationship so if he's ok with friends as I'm not ready he then did everything in his power to make me feel like he was the person I should be with and I just couldn't help it
Within 2 wks we were together and I did fall hard for him

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icecreamsundae82 · 29/04/2017 00:30

Hold on
Hold on
Santa and the tooth fairy aren't real?!?!? What??????

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TheDevilMadeMeDoIt · 29/04/2017 00:37

Stop being ashamed of yourself, because you have done nothing shameful. He's the one who played you along like a violin.

However you do seem to struggle with what's normal and what's not in a relationship, if your previous ex was abusive.

Is it because that's the way your parents' relationship worked? Do you have low self esteem and confidence and are grateful when any man shows an interest? As a PP has said, a certain type of man is very good at spotting women who are vulnerable and insecure.

Leave this one before he does any more damage, and then try to find out who you are and who you want. And develop strategies to get you there. This may mean tuning up your abusive twunt radar.

This is all a horrible shock, but try not to fall back into relying on him to help you get strong.That hands him back all the power and control and means he once again has you ready to placate him while he makes everything all your fault again.

PhyllisNights · 29/04/2017 00:40

This doesn't sound like a healthy relationship - chuck him.

In fact, it sounds like a relationship that one of my friends is in. She's been with this guy since 2012, they separated for a period in 2015, and then got back together. The relationship involves constant arguments, lots of leaving, going back and forth. I think she doesn't feel she can do any better, but she can.

Leave this guy, and move on.

icecreamsundae82 · 29/04/2017 00:46

I wouldn't say I have low self esteem or confidence i mean it's ok
I just haven't been single and I don't think I'm too scared to be
I've just fallen into relationships as I thought the right person was there at the time - or so I thought
Like this guy tried so hard to get in contact with me - it's a long story but I moved away from the area and we lost contact then when he found me through a mutual friend he said it took him months to track me down as he always liked me I was his dream girl etc but now typing it out I think I've been played...massively

He's fed me a load of lines and I've fallen for it

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LouSaint · 29/04/2017 00:48

This was me, my ex was like this to start with, a great 'friend' we got on really well. He would have done anything (to get) for me. As soon as I was hooked, that was when he changed, don't be me, 25 years later, 2 kids, no self-esteem, scared of men. I kicked him out finally when he threatened to kill me in front of our DC's. Anti-depressants, counselling, debts, I'm getting there. But you have the opportunity to get out now. If I could go back and talk to my 19 year old self, I'd tell her the same as I'm telling you. If you move in with him, your poor daughter will have to endure his abuse as well! It's so horrible, because you can't quite believe that the niceness was all an act to reel you in! Good luck! X

icecreamsundae82 · 29/04/2017 00:53

Ah Hun that's made me feel so sad reading
I'm so sorry you went through that
Well done for being so brave
God I just feel how the hell do you ever tell a good one from a bad one
I mean I'm not ready for another relationship evidently! But thing is I've known this guy for 10 yrs
I went to school with him...lost contact a bit and we've always said it's meant to be - our paths crossed for a reason and lots other stuff
So I am in very very very deep I won't lie
I'm going to find this very hard
Especially if he message me tomorrow
It's my birthday Sunday and he was supposed to be here for it and now spending it alone Shock
Like I'm seeing my family tomorrow but I saved Sunday for us and now this has happened
What do I say if he contacts me tomorrow ?

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R2G · 29/04/2017 01:15

Google love bombing then run for the hills. It's a really great lesson to learn you can be on your own - you won't feel broken then. 'Tis wonderful!

seoulsurvivor · 29/04/2017 01:16

Icecream, I also found it difficult to tell good relationships from bad. ie I had a boyfriend who brought me food when I was sick, and then he expected me to have sex with him because he brought me food! And I was so desperate for love that I thought 'well, he did bring me food'! I cringe now looking back at that because I know that I was fooling myself. I was telling myself that things weren't that bad, that's what guys are like, what do you expect, all that stuff. That's why I hate it when guys do stuff and women are like 'UGH MEN TYPICAL' because, no, treating people you love badly is not 'typical' and I wish we'd stop settling for trashy guys because we think that's all there is.

What I love about my husband is that he will do anything for me, but he will also call me out when I am being a dick. He is very patient and kind, but if I am sharp with him or unkind, he doesn't hesitate to tell me (politely) that I am not being nice. Then it's all over - he doesn't sulk or bring it up 100 times or lord it over me next time we fight. We will kiss and make up and go back to being normal. And because he is like that, I feel like I can also be open with him if he does things I don't like. Other guys I met, if they criticised me, they'd bring it up time and time again. If I criticised them, you'd think I would have told them their mother was a prostitute.

When we started dating, he was always where he said he would be. If we were meeting up - he was there. If I called him at work - he was there. If he was with friends - he was with those friends. There was never any second guessing with him. That was a big thing for me, because I knew I could trust him. I had other boyfriends who'd say they were at work and then next thing I know they're rolling in pissed out of their head.

When he does stuff for me, he doesn't expect a reward or praise. We live abroad and he sorted all my visa stuff for me and I had no idea how much work it was until another woman I know complained about the process. He just did it, same as he washes up or cleans the house without expecting me to fall to my knees in gratitude. But at the same time, we ARE both grateful. He notices when I've hoovered or taken out the rubbish and says thank you, and I do the same for him. With other boyfriends, if they so much as rinsed a plate or made a cup of tea, it was all 'aren't I marvellous?'

In the past, I placed the 'spark' above all else. Now luckily, I also have that with my husband, I fancy him like crazy, we laugh all night long and act like a pair of teenagers, but even if we didn't have that, I'd still want to be with him. Being kind, caring and dependable will help love last a lot longer than fancying each other.

I don't want to just write a huge post about how amazing my husband is, but to point out how I, who had nothing but shit relationships til I met him aged 31, recognised that he was different.

And I don't think it was a coincidence that I was finally happy being single when I met him. Happy people attract other happy people.

About your birthday - just try to let it pass quietly and don't think too much about it. It might be a bit miserable but you can survive it anyway. You can do whatever makes you feel a little better - watch netflix all day, go for a walk, get a coffee. I have had miserable birthdays and they suck, but they're not the end of the world.

R2G · 29/04/2017 01:18

Don't wait for him to contact you. Take the initiative. Book Sunday and bank hol Monday away for you and your daughter. Text him that you've decided to be away for your birthday. Have a lovely peaceful time. Call when you get back and feel a bit stronger and tell him sorry you need to be on your own. Sounds hard when you're in it but it's dead simple - just stick with it. Be free x

FeckTheMagicDragon · 29/04/2017 01:28

So he's buying a house (not both of you together) and he starts an argument when you - naturaly - raise concerns.
Do you think perhaps he's well aware of the total upheaval moving would cause you, and you wouldn't even have the security of a rental agreement. But that not really his problem. Meanwhile, he gets someone to share the financial burden of his new mortgage. In his new house.

Get rid, he's a user.

SparklyMagpie · 29/04/2017 01:47

I've not read the full thread as I've just got in from work; but fucking hell! Run and keep running!you said yourself. Take some time out on your own!

Chloe84 · 29/04/2017 03:36

@seoulsurvivor what a lovely post.

OP, you sound great and can do so much better than him. He has targetted you and gets angry when you don't fall in line with what he wants. When he gets angry with you for saying he doesn't understand, he is actually angry that you know things are moving too fast and this isn't right.

NorksAreMessy · 29/04/2017 07:03

Perhaps make your birthday a proper new start, where you say 'right, this is all about ME' and nurture yourself in your new single life.
You have recognised that you need some time as a single person, but have been optimistic about how this clearly dysfunctional relationship was 'meant to be'.
It wasn't, and that is sad, but also an opportunity to say 'actually, this wasn't good enough, I deserve much better' and that action will give you strength.

Good luck, and we are always here

icecreamsundae82 · 29/04/2017 07:55

Ah thank you everyone! What lovely posts to wake up to !
Soul survivor what a moving post
Your husband sounds lovely!
I know I'm not perfect but I already feel I'm trying to almost change the way I am or settle or try not to upset him....and so early on...not that it's ok later on -alarm bells ringing...hence why I came on here last night
I've woken up feeling quite clear although drained and upset and I just hope he does me a favour and feels the same and doesn't contact me because as I've said I'm feeling very sad and I know for a fact he can be very persuasive - it's how we got together.
Thing is with the house thing, he's said I don't have to pay a penny! He said as he's doing it anyway he will cover all the cost and I won't need to contribute! It sounded like it was too good to be true...how I described him to my friends when we first started texting before we got together
You know...the whole I'm an amazing man you should be with me text
I'll make you feel this and that etc etc

Thinking about it...he sent some really really lovely texts about moving in together and how easy he would make it for me...but just because I said he doesn't get it as he seemed very blasé about me having lots to sort out - he gets so upset with me
And yes it's like I've said something really awful and unforgivable!
The comment about it's like someone called his mum a prostitute I could really relate to as I was sat there thinking ok I've upset you I understand that but he's acting like I've done something awful?
I did think if this is how he is acting now how does that bode well for our future
Feel sick and sad but going to try and have a good day xx

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BottleBeach · 29/04/2017 08:05

He makes me feel like I'm in the wrong all the time

Whatever else is wrong about his behaviour, just focus on this. Who wants to spend time with some who makes them feel like this?

daisychain01 · 29/04/2017 08:09

I'd take his number out of your phone and block it. Just get rid.

Spend your birthday with family, friends, your DD, anyone but not him. He's a waste of time

HeavenlyEyes · 29/04/2017 08:11

you jave done the freedom programme haven't you? And got some vital counselling for yourself too?

BottleBeach · 29/04/2017 08:12

The fact that he even asked me to move in after 3 months, especially with a child, would have me thinking about dumping him. Getting angry/offended about me questioning the wisdom of that would earn him a 'this isn't working out, bye' text and I wouldn't look back. No matter how lovely he has been at other times, it doesn't balance out the 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

BottleBeach · 29/04/2017 08:13

Glad you've woken up feeling clearer OP Flowers

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