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Am I mad to end my marriage because he won't put the bins out?

433 replies

toastandjamplease · 19/04/2017 09:30

Hi all,

Namechanged to protect the innocent! Apologies that I think this will be a long one but don’t want to dripfeed! I have been married just over 20 years. We have 3 DCs, all high-school age. We both work FT, although my husband works much longer hours than me with lots of travel. My OH does most of the taxi-ing on weekends, taking kids to football on Saturday mornings etc. He also cooks on the weekend and takes care of everything IT-related. We have a cleaner who keeps the house just about under control.

However, everything else is done by me. That is, all the school runs, after school activities, laundry, shopping, most of the cooking, DIY, day-to-day tidying etc. I have always done more than him but things have fallen even more on me as his job has involved more and more travel. He is supposed to do the laundry when he is here but does maybe 1 load in 10 and only when I ask him to put the wash on.

We recently moved house, which has brought things to a head. It is not massive but has a large garden and it quite remote. It was very much my choice and I cannot tell you how much I love where we live now. But it is too much for me to do all the above single-handed. I have told my husband (repeatedly) that I cannot do this any more. I work 40 hours a week on top of doing pretty much everything around the house and garden and I am exhausted. More than anything, it is not just the practical side of this but the emotional. That is, I feel like though I am constantly looking out for everyone yet there is never anyone there to look out for me. If I forget to do something, it just won't get done.

At Christmas, I told him that I couldn't do this anymore and unless he started showing a bit more support then I would be asking for a divorce. I gave him a couple of very clear examples of what I mean. First, he has never changed the beds in 20 years of marriage. I told him that makes me feel like he takes it for granted it’s my job and is demeaning. Second, in the 3 years we have lived here, he has never put the rubbish out – it seems like even the laziest husbands talked about on here “do the bins” and he won’t even do that. Last week, I forgot to put the bins out so (of course) the rubbish didn't get collected. I am so sick of being in charge of practically bloody everything. At Christmas, I told him that these things are like little snapshots of how everything is left to me. In effect I was giving him a couple of very simple things he could do to show that he was listening to me. But, since then, he hasn’t taken the rubbish out once or changed a sheet.

My husband works very hard, he earns a lot more than I do, and he is a very generous person. We bought this house because it was what I wanted, it is not his thing at all but he wanted me to be happy. He is brilliant in a crisis. We agree almost entirely on priorities re. the children and I would say that he is a great father, but I know that part of being a great parent is setting a good example to your children and I think we are both setting a poor example – him by being lazy around the house and me by being a martyr about all things domestic!

Given how I have laid out my stall, I feel like he is giving me no choice but to tell him this is over. But it feels like such a drastic step. In particular, it will mean selling the house and probably moving much closer to the kids’ school. The kids will be fine with the move (I think) as they will be nearer friends etc. but will be heartbroken about us splitting up. In practice, he spends half the year away anyway so I’m hoping in practical terms I can keep things on an even keel for them. I feel so awful about the whole thing but it’s like he’s given me no choice - I have told him how I feel and he has demonstrated time and again that he will not value what I do around the place or help in any of the ways I have asked him to. Since we moved house, the argument has almost moved beyond what is fair to what is possible – I just cannot do it anymore.

So, I guess I am looking for reassurance on a few things. I am terrified we’ll all end up worse off in every way and it will all be my fault as I’ve allowed this situation to develop but am suddenly saying no more! The questions I keep turning over in my head are these:

  • Am I being reasonable to divorce my husband because he won’t put the bins out (and take on other things around the house)?
  • Will the kids understand why these things are such a big deal or will they blame me?
  • Will I get over selling this lovely house to move somewhere cheaper and more practical? I can hardly bear to think about it but it will have to be done.

Any thoughts would be welcome. I haven’t spoken to a soul about this is RL and am terrified of what I think I’m about to do... Thank you!

OP posts:
Lweji · 20/04/2017 17:06

Bloody hell.
Copy fail

Just this:

IfNo

I fucking hate housework.

You win the thread. Grin

rosabug · 20/04/2017 17:13

you sound a nightmare! Get a sense of proportion. Talk about having it good for so long you don't know what a real problem is. You had better be careful he doesn't divorce you. I couldn't bear to live with someone who let domestic things get in the way of why is really important. He sounds like he does enough - maybe not as much as you'd like - but enough. Let it go, let the garden go, love you family, before you ruin it.

motherinferior · 20/04/2017 17:16

I couldn't bear to live with someone who let domestic things get in the way of why is really important.

Like her husband's doing, you mean? No, I couldn't bear it either.

rosabug · 20/04/2017 17:16

I also agree with previous poster - this issue is likely masking something else....

BoboChic · 20/04/2017 17:20

You need a housekeeper, not a divorce.

PollyPerky · 20/04/2017 17:28

I've only skimmed all 13 pages.

However...

OP you say DH works a lot. So when do you expect him to change sheets and do the bins?

You say he can only earn what he does by you being around- well no, if you worked as hard as he did (hours) you would outsource more.

I think the housework is a scapegoat. Nowhere did I read 'I really love this man to bits...'

Do you?
Are you looking at unimportant issues to give you a reason to divorce him?

C8H10N4O2 · 20/04/2017 18:36

OP you say DH works a lot. So when do you expect him to change sheets and do the bins?

Possibly in the mornings before he starts work at 12:00 from home instead of lying in late? or after he finishes in the evening instead of watching TV whilst the OP does the housework after a full day's work herself?

allegretto · 20/04/2017 18:41

You need a housekeeper, not a divorce.

This!! And it would be a lot cheaper than a divorce too. I never change the sheets, my cleaner does. My husband pays for the cleaner as he doesn't want to change the sheets either.

Ceto · 20/04/2017 18:55

I really genuinely do not understand this 'poor man, he's perfectly ok with doing nothing, how DARE you suggest he puts a wash on, make your teenagers do it and go to counselling to work out why his failure to do anything is so upsetting, it's all your fault anyway' perspective.

But he isn't doing nothing. He works much longer hours than OP does every week, cooks at weekends, takes the kids out, taxis them around. Why do people keep ignoring this?

IfNot · 20/04/2017 19:11

You win the thread.
Why thank you Lweji Grin

IfNot · 20/04/2017 19:14

He takes a kid to football. ..He makes some pasta...
Er...I can do that whilst simaltaneously doing the weekly shop and deep cleaning the fridge!
He also lives in a hotel a lot of the time
Staggered by the vitriol poured on the kids while desperately trying to excuse a man whose wife has told him she will leave him if he doesn't pull his weight!

ByeByeBadman · 20/04/2017 19:16

I fucking hate housework too Grin
So much easier being at work

motherinferior · 20/04/2017 19:51

He cooks one meal a week and he doesn't take the kids to football if he wants a lie-in.

motherinferior · 20/04/2017 19:53

*Likewise, he usually takes DCs to football Sat and Sun morning although I do this sometimes if he is having a lie-in. I tend to do any afternoon activities especially parties as he doesn't like to deal with other parents. Fair enough but just wanted to be clear that as with the cooking, it is not that I am sat around painting my nails while he does all the work!

Someone asked about leisure time. Once matches are over etc. at midday he tends to watch the footie etc. all afternoon while I am either taking kids somewhere or else doing the garden or the multiple DIY-type things that seem to pile up.

During the week, if he is home, I finish work at 5 then usually have somewhere to take someone til 7 or 8. He gets up late, works 12-9 then watches tv or similar, while I am usually doing stuff around the house.*

Patriciathestripper1 · 20/04/2017 20:02

Why are your dc not helping out with beds and bins and gardening? My 10 yr old Dd is more than capable of changing a bed, and mows the lawn for pocket money.
If you can divorce someone one bins then there isn't any love there at all.
Don't use housework as an exscuse..

toastandjamplease · 20/04/2017 20:20

Hi again people.

Just wanted to touch base - have been working all day, just as well given that I have made such a big thing about how busy I am!

As before, I don't have a great deal more to say but I don't want people to think I am being evasive, when really it's just that I just type so slowly I forget to answer things - although feel free to read something more sinister into my particular lapses of focus if you prefer :)

Firstly, yes, I love my husband very much. Phew! I've said it - that was embarrassing.

Secondly, you are quite right that I haven't given his point of view. I guess over the course of 20 years he has given a whole range of responses from "you're right, I'm not pulling my weight, I don't deserve you and I will do more," to "you're being unfair, I do more than you say." Although when I come to think of it, when we had our Festive Showdown, it was definitely more the latter. I think that's probably because he's heard it all before and we both get sick of re-running the same conversation. Well, it's hardly a conversation - rather after one particular indignity too many, I have a rant, he then says one of the above two phrases or a variation, then after a period of hours or days normal service is resumed i.e. we revert back to him doing comparatively little*.

  • Disclaimer - this is my interpretation, which others have already suggested is inaccurate, please let's not reignite that particular debate!

Thirdly, Lweji - you are a legend. If you had posted first we could have all gone home by now Flowers

In other news, since I posted yesterday, he has spontaneously said to me that we should get someone in to do the garden as I can't possibly do everything - this may not sound much but to me this is real progress!

OP posts:
Proseccoisthenewlambrini · 20/04/2017 21:32

Toast ... I completely get it, another one on your team!

Why do these me feel the need to be children FOREVER?

Grow the fuck up and pull your weight! Otherwise your life would probably be easier without him.... although you say you love him, heart break is unimaginable pain.

If I were you I would write him a letter he cannot ignore. Are you familiar with "I statements"?

PollyPerky · 20/04/2017 21:45

If he works long hours (odd hours by the sound of it) do you need to work 40 hours? Unless you want to work that much and need the money can't you reduce your own work? Why are you working full time if he brings home shedloads?

BitOutOfPractice · 20/04/2017 21:53

Polly maybe she enjoys it? Wants to do it? Has trained to do it? Wants to model this to her kids? A million reasons apart from cash? Maybe she earns shedloads too?

Well I suppose him saying you can't manage the garden is a start. But finding one, briefing them etc should definitely be his job!

nappyrat · 20/04/2017 22:07

Counselling

YANBU to be pissed off but v drastic to divorce.

I would;

Stop doing stuff - it will be really hard but let the bins overfloweth & LEAVE THEM EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE. Do not do his laundry. EVER AGAIN. He will soon do it when he has nothing clean.

Your house will be gross but he needs to learn.

Christinayangstwistedsista · 20/04/2017 22:08

Do you think he has been on mn, after all, the decker has plenty of time Wink

Christinayangstwistedsista · 20/04/2017 22:08

Fecker

nappyrat · 20/04/2017 22:11

Urgh. Why do men behave like this.

Lazy bastards.

charliesfavouritebook · 20/04/2017 22:20

If your husband is working long hours and away and not pulling his weight at home then he need to pay for his share by upping the cleaners hours and getting you any other help you need (a gardener?) to cover the share he isn't doing.

You also both need to go for counselling.

Lweji · 20/04/2017 22:24

If he works long hours (odd hours by the sound of it) do you need to work 40 hours?

He also doesn't need to work long hours. It's his choice.