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Did your dad never tell you he loved you or that you were beautiful?

228 replies

mackerelle · 02/04/2017 11:17

Assuming you have/had a dad who was around for your entire childhood, did yours never tell you that you were beautiful or that he loved you?
Mine didn't and I don't know how normal that is.
Everything I read about dads says that these 2 things are the most important things a dad can do.

Not a single person told me I looked beautiful on my wedding day either, not even my dad who walked me down the aisle. I'm no great looker but I'm not a troll, you'd think someone would have said that even if they didn't really mean it.

Anyway, that's an aside, but does anyone else have a dad like mine? Is it normal? I know he's emotionally unavailable, but is it just a British stiff upper lip thing?

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ineedwine99 · 02/04/2017 11:32

Great dad but nope never said either of those things, his side of the family don't really express things like that. Hasn't bothered me

P1nkP0ppy · 02/04/2017 11:33

Mine never did and my mother didn't because she said she want us to be vain (in fact she spent my chil Telling me how beautiful, clever, lovely, perfect daughter a friend of mine was.
But then I never felt loved so don't expect it.

Gallavich · 02/04/2017 11:33

Mine has told me I look nice but never told me I was beautiful that I can remember. I also can't remember either of my parents telling me they loved me, but I have no doubt that they do. I think they had some silly idea that children get spoilt or stuck up from too much affection Hmm
Neither of their childhoods were very affectionate. They weren't cold parents though, I grew up with healthy self esteem based on knowing how smart and capable I was, which I think is just as valuable as calling daughters beautiful.
I tell my child I love him all the time Grin

NeonGod73 · 02/04/2017 11:34

I don't think it is something you should hear from your dad, more like from other men. Maybe your dad should say you look pretty, for example when you are all dressed up and did your hair but I don't think dads have to use this lovey dovey language with their daughter, they should reserve it to their wives! :)
Anyway, most parents are biased with their kids, so they can't really be objective about them. Most parents seem to think their kids are massively gorgeous and geniuses, so it doesn't count. If you are praised by other people though, it's a different matter.

TheInterruptingSheep · 02/04/2017 11:34

No. Our family in general is not big on showing any kind of emotion, but I always felt loved and supported by him, even though he never said it!

mackerelle · 02/04/2017 11:35

undersecretary I agree that maybe it's not a decent measure of a dad.

I suppose it would have been different if I had felt loved or felt like he thought about me at all whether positively or negatively. All I felt was that I was an obligation he had to go out to work and earn money for. He never did want kids and it showed.

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NeedATrim · 02/04/2017 11:39

My waste of space father never bothered with me and he up and left when I was an infant.
I don't remember many times being told by mum she loves me. She most likely did but I remember her saying it at the end of phone calls and similar during my teens for example, but it was always stiff. Like she says it because thats how you sign off from a call and not because it was from her heart. I don't recall being told I was beautiful. I was a pretty girl when little but my family never told me to my face, although I remember comments from friends of the family who would say I'm pretty. But my family are quite a distant family. Never affectionate, can go months without a call from them. Theres love there but its at a distance. Really weird.
Otoh, my husband is so affectionate with our children. Always scooping them up, telling them 'secrets' of how much he loves them. Always hugging, playing, laughing, and has time for them. He came from similar background to me. Had to force himself to learn showing love easily and naturally. I'm learning from him but I've still a way to go. But I'm way better than my mum towards my kids then she was to me. But I still have lots to work on. Me and mum aren't close now. She let me down hugely a few years back and my relationship will never recover. I really fear for the type of relationship I'll have in the future with my children. I don't want them to be disappointed and distant from me.
I always try to tell my dd she looks lovely and pretty, even if she has on a pair of joggers and a tee, anything really, but I turn to her and say that she looks really nice. If she's experimented with hair or makeup I always say, oh thats pretty, I really like what you've done. My son, too. I know its important.
My problem is that I can't stop myself saying things when I'm angry. I'm always apologising for anything hurtful I said in anger. Thats my mums influence on me. I hate it and myself once I've reflected and calmed down.
Sorry for the rambling. I don't get to talk about this ever.

MortalEnemy · 02/04/2017 11:39

I... just really don't think this is the measure of a dad.

This, exactly. My self-esteem is entirely untroubled by the fact that it would have taken a personality transplant and almost certainly replacing him with someone who wasn't brought up in 1940s/50s rural Ireland! for my father to say either of those things, ever.

Bantanddec · 02/04/2017 11:40

My dad never told me he loved me, that I was beautiful, he never kissed or hugged me or held my hand as a child.

CreamCheez · 02/04/2017 11:40

Neither of my parents ever said things like that, or I love you. It was always just assumed. We're very much a loving family, who demonstrate how much we care about each other. My mother would write me a nice card or letter, my Dad would say he was proud or admired something I did. Same with my sister, we only say I love you if someone's been sick or in trouble. Mum always says that we were beautiful babies, though!

EBearhug · 02/04/2017 11:41

I always felt loved and supported by him, even though he never said it!

I think this is key. You can say it as much as you like, but if it's not backed up with behaviour, then you're likely to end up with confused ideas about what love is.

Also, I don't think it's important to tell girls they're pretty all the time - that way, they'll end up thinking their value is in looks.

Moussemoose · 02/04/2017 11:44

I was daddy's little girl, he did love me. He told me he was proud of me but he never told me he loved me.Sad I wish he had, he died a few years ago.
I told him I loved him several times and I said it in front of everyone at his funeral.

NeedATrim · 02/04/2017 11:45

Not when those compliments are coupled with praise for school achievements and other things.

megletthesecond · 02/04/2017 11:48

Mine never told me he loved me, neither did my mum. We got on well as adults though (not mum though).

peeriebear · 02/04/2017 11:49

No my dad never did when I was growing up. He was pretty hands- off and has always worked long night shifts so we didn't really see him that much. In addition, I know it's a bit bandwagony at the moment, but he has a LOT of ASD traits which would explain a lot about the sort of man he still is today. (He never calls or texts, just assumes we are all fine unless he hears otherwise).
However I know he is always there for me if I need him. For example my oven broke two weeks before Christmas and he turned up unannounced on my doorstep to take me cooker shopping with the intention of paying for the whole thing.
I wish he was a bit more emotionally present but he is who he is.

sooperdooper · 02/04/2017 11:50

No, but I know my dad loves me and I also know that being beautiful isn't the biggest accomplishment a woman should aim for!

treaclesoda · 02/04/2017 11:52

Mine never said I looked beautiful, and I only remember him saying once that he loved me.

However, he did make it clear that he loved me, so he wasn't emotionally cold. He just didn't actually say it.

Ferrisday · 02/04/2017 11:52

Every day I think
I'm in my 40's, still get lots of hugs.
Mum said he was a new age Dad.
He's awesome

annandale · 02/04/2017 11:53

I know my dad loves me and is very proud of me but he certainly never said it. I don't care about that. He has not done brilliantly as a dad and our relationship is relatively distant but random statements not backed up by genuinely putting our interests first would be meaningless. You can see throughout his life that his own desperate and unfulfillable need for approval and love eats up his entire personality. These days by putting 100% effort into it, we can have brief small talk conversations that are pleasant and affectionate. I do love him but he would have the right to question what that really means.

WhereYouLeftIt · 02/04/2017 12:07

No, he didn't tell me he loved me. But he showed he loved me every day of his life. Don't think he said I was beautiful, but he did call me a bonnie lassie a few times, so I think that's covered.

"Everything I read about dads says that these 2 things are the most important things a dad can do."
Really?

contrary13 · 02/04/2017 12:09

My father tells me that he loves me, and he'll hug me... but he's never once told me that I'm beautiful/pretty (I know I'm not, but surely to a father, their daughters are the most beautiful in the world?), clever, or that he's proud of me. The last two he's allegedly told to his friends - who told me, in passing, but I'm not entirely sure I believe them.

I suspect that their behaviour depends on how they were treated/reacted to when they were growing up. Post-War, there was a different attitude to child-rearing than there is today. Today, we do everything that we possibly can to boost our children's self esteem and confidence - we tell them how loved they are, how proud of them we are, how they can conquer the world... But our parents? Were lucky if they had parents who spoke to them at all, it would seem Sad

My father had a mother who was very tactile and gave the best hugs in the world. She was very free with her "I love you"'s - but didn't believe in causing a child's head to swell with praise about their intelligence, or how proud of them she might have been. She was, though. But it took her death and the discovery of a few diaries which she'd kept whilst her boys were young for them to ever believe that she was so incredibly proud of them. His father wasn't around from the time mine was 6 years old. But he came from a family who is very tactile and supportive, so I would imagine that my grandfather was similar towards his sons. My Gran's life-partner was also very free with praise for all of us and literally shone with pride for everyone's accomplishments.

My mother's parents didn't even tell her that she was loved, or cuddle her. Consequently, my brothers and I were treated the way in which she had been treated whilst growing up, by her - and that's partly why they're both NC with her now. Watching her with my children (who have been raised knowing how very loved they are, how beautiful they both are, how proud I am of their good grades at school/uni, and get hugged all of the time!) it's clear how awkward she finds hugging them. But she does make the effort to do so. I've also managed to condition her into saying "love you" at the end of 'phone calls and when we part to go our separate ways... just in case it's the last time we ever speak! Didn't have to condition my father... he was the one who taught me!

Having said that, though, my mother's father constantly told my brothers and myself how proud of us he was. And we know he was incredibly proud of my mother - he just couldn't bring himself to actually tell her (although I know she wouldn't have believed him).

Families, eh...! Sad Sad Sad Gin

TheDonald · 02/04/2017 12:10

My dad has never done either of those things. He used to hug me when I was little, but stopped around age 10. I remember very clearly an awkward half-hug as I went into surgery for cancer age 13 but nothing other than that.

He has only ever commented on my appearance in a negative way, and his response to my GCSE results (7 As and 2 Bs) was "What went wrong?"

I had a terrible relationship with him as a teen, but now I'm an adult I understand that he wanted me to succeed where he hadn't and he shows his love in different ways.

When I found myself pregnant and single at 24 he didn't say much, but he booked a week off work and replumbed my entire house so I could have a bath as well as a shower because "the baby would need it!" He worked for 14 hours a day and did an amazing job and paid for everything.

He's a much better grandfather than he was a dad, but I have been really interested to see how he's pulled away from DD as she's hit puberty. I just don't think he gets teenage girls. I've had to pull him up a few times for commenting on DD's appearance.

We actually get on very well now (most of the time!)

TheDonald · 02/04/2017 12:14

Also - I disagree that it's important for dads to comment on a daughter's beauty. In fact I've read the opposite - that it's very bad for girls' self esteem for their dads to comment on their looks.

I certainly haven't ever felt the need for my dad to say I'm beautiful, whether he thinks I am or not. I'd prefer it if he didn't call me fat or go on about my enormous feet (size 6!) but I'd much prefer he didn't comment on my physical appearance in any way.

bathshebaneverdene · 02/04/2017 12:15

Nope, but I never felt anything other than loved - I agree with every word UndersecretaryofWhimsy said.

roarityroar · 02/04/2017 12:17

Always, every day and still now. But then my Dad is a wonderful man and I only hope to meet someone as great as him.