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How plausible is this explanation? Please ask your (male) dp...

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Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 11:08

If this sounds vaguely familiar, it's because I have mentioned it in posts before, as it relates to other things. I'm having a hard time trying to sort stuff out in my head and would really welcome some opinions on whether this explanation is plausible, or really a load of BS and unlikely in the extreme. This is the initial incident which happened a long time ago (approx 20 years, 7 years into a LTR) but may be relevant to something I found out more recently...Not sure what may be relevant, so here's the lot:

When OH initially asked me out he was already in a relationship, I told him I'd go out with him if he was, he finished with her (which I wasn't expecting), we started going out. Lived together at Uni, then separately while he did a post grad, though still as a LTR (exclusive, I think). After a few years we lived together again while he worked and I did a post grad. He still regularly met up with a group of ppl he had studied with , one of which he developed feelings for (he says later on, but not sure if it's relevant here). I was in no way jealous/controlling and trusted him implicitly at this point, so had no problem with him going out to a show alone with this woman.
The incident: He was going on a work conference, a weekend away (can't remember where) , he and his group of friends were in the same profession, so any of this group could have been there. At this point I was not aware we were having any relationship difficulties. He left, kissing and hugging goodbye as usual. I discovered he had taken a condom with him. When he phoned on arrival, he would not give me a room number or contact number for reception/front desk. This was before mobile phones were common!

When he got back I asked him what he had done. Denied everything, finally admitted to taking a condom, but said he had not slept with anyone. However, he had not brought it back. He said he had decided not to go ahead with it and had thrown it away. In the bin in his room. Because he wasn't going to use it. Much later, he said he had probably thrown it away because he hadn't wanted me to find it in his bag.

My issues with this are: if he wasn't aware that I knew he had taken it, why would he think I would find it in his bag? Which he had packed, and would unpack himself. Why would you throw it away in the bin in your room? It's still available if you wanted it.

So my Q is this: If you had planned on shagging someone else on a work do, but maybe didn't get the opportunity, would you throw the condom away so there would be no chance of someone finding it in your bag? I would have thought it would have been better to sneak it back in the pack at home so I wouldn't know there had been one missing. ( Obviously his gaslighting skills weren't as highly developed back then.)

Would I be a total mug to believe this, as it reeks of a desperate excuse, or is this how men think?

Apparently, he'd heard these things could get pretty wild, so he must have really fancied his chances.

I think that's everything. Thanks for reading this far, would appreciate a male view on this if possible.

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Mo55chop5 · 08/03/2017 23:48

I'm a bloke and I think it sounds like he has been fucking around for years. Sorry

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Jellybellyqueen · 09/03/2017 07:46

autumn genuine q then, do you believe anyone who gives a cheat a second chance is 'making their own bed' in that they should be prepared to be cheated on again? I thought the whole idea of being given a second chance was that you wouldn't behave like a shit again if you valued the relationship. Maybe I have partly answered my own q there.
It's the only time I caught him with a condom. Not the only time he's been a shit.

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Jellybellyqueen · 09/03/2017 10:14

Didn't you read the updates? I HAD moved on, was fine until recent shit came out. Finding out that he has lied and wasn't who I thought he was in the intervening years has made me re-question the initial incident, which is what I asked advice on. I certainly didn't feel bad about it for 20 years, but being lied to and finding unexplained emails/porn/dating site pic and profile of another woman he looked at while working away, might make anyone slightly insecure, even if their 'dp' hadn't tried to cheat on them way back.

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Jellybellyqueen · 09/03/2017 10:15

And btw -'indiscretion'?? FFS.

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SuperFlyHigh · 09/03/2017 10:20

Said I wouldn't come back but I actually re-read your post OP where you said about emails and work colleagues, porn etc.

Sorry but in my opinion he has certainly cheated or tried to cheat, there'll be a lot of stuff hidden and I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. He certainly has lied or told you half truths about a number of scenarios, to keep you happy/quiet.

My previous replies were based on Internet dating sites and condom.

It looks as if you'll stay with him either way though and you've been quite defensive about the replies you've got (did you want us (or the men) to say, oh no it's fine, he hasn't cheated) so it's probably best to either leave this or process this in your own time.

Don't get me wrong if I had all this I'd say I'd leave someone but I'd probably take a long time to process it too, depends on your situation.

Maybe put this in relationships?

Patriciathestripper1 · 09/03/2017 10:23

He has obviously lied to you all along.

You were good enough to give him a second chance. Unfortunately that 'second chance' was for him to pull the wool over your eyes for 20 odd years and carry on shagging behind your back. What you decide to do now is your choice. My Dh has been reading along and he is of the same opinion that your husband has been shagging around for the last 20 years too (he is usually always on the mans side too Angry)

Trustyourself2 · 09/03/2017 10:37

I got my first mobile in 1998 and rarely used it, as they were fround upon back then. They were not a common item.

Anyway, from what you're telling us here, it sounds like he doesn't want to be with you. In addition to your original question, he's doing other things to betray your trust. I think that if someone's happy in a relationship, they don't get involved with the things that he has/is.

Do you think that you could be happier without him? Life is short and shouldn't be wasted - I've recently learnt that myself.

Jellybellyqueen · 09/03/2017 10:42

Thanks for coming back superfly. I didn't think I was being defensive (apart maybe for the irritating autumnrose 'indiscretion' comment), but was trying to be fairhanded in what I was explaining. I used to be a relatively intelligent woman, or so I thought, but when you lay all the facts and his explanations out for a bunch of random strangers to interpret , and they pretty much all think he's been messing around for 20 years (or trying to), it's a real shock.

I didn't have family around at all in those days, I didn't tell anyone out of some misplaced loyalty and it feels like he's been taking the piss and wasted the best years of my life. It's all well and good him promising to be honest now, but if he can't come clean about what has happened in the past, how can I ever work through it and trust that he is being honest in the future? All I get from him is 'I didn't do that', but he can't explain it.
Feels like I have always been second best now. He's gone merrily on with his exciting career while I've been left at home with the drudgery. He never posts about looking forward to getting back to his family on social media like his colleagues do, but makes sure to post all the exciting things he gets up to while away - I guess this is pretty telling.
Sat here crying my eyes out. Can't take this lack of consideration anymore. If he can't explain things honestly, I guess we're done. Because he doesn't care enough to make it work.

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BoobleMcB · 09/03/2017 10:59

So sorry OP, it's such a shitty situation. But it looks like you've now seen it (and him) for what it really is. I'm sure there COULD be honest and genuine reasons for everything, but he's not giving you anything. And that's the telling part of it. If he was innocent, he'd have no problem giving you the answers. Instead he's avoiding them, spewing out bullshit and outright treating you like a doormat.

It's going to be extremely difficult for you, of course it is. But you need to find that inner strength that you DO have and use it. Tell him he's either COMPLETELY honest with you about EVERYTHING or you're gone (and mean it!). If you for one second think he's holding even the slightest thing back, leave. That's the only way that you may POSSIBLY get the truth, then make you're decision.

If he won't, or carries on trying to deceive you then you will clearly know that he doesn't love you enough, or respect you enough to deserve anything from you

Jellybellyqueen · 09/03/2017 11:01

I know he won't tell me anything, I've given him plenty of chances to. I suppose he is making his decision in this way.

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BoobleMcB · 09/03/2017 11:02

Sorry Jelly 😔😡

SuperFlyHigh · 09/03/2017 11:08

Well it depends on what you want to do now going forwards.

I'd get this moved to Relationships board if you seriously do want advice/help as they will advise how to look at his phone/laptop etc if he won't tell you the truth.

My mum had similar with my stepdad (dodgy texts etc) but they've got over it and I think he's behaving now.

It does sound as if he won't explain honestly or will just give you half hearted explanations and even then if he is completely honest (and tells you all, what you don't want to hear) he knows that possibly now, you'd leave him. So he will probably swear blind until he's blue in the face that what he's told you so far is true.

Sorry to hear you didn't have family in the past to confide in. I take it you have adult or teenage DC now.

I hate to say it but he really is on different pages with his life (eg career etc) and has been for years.

Esoteric · 09/03/2017 12:31

As you know Jellybean , I have a similar situation but from 11 years ago, what is really getting to me is the lack of him bringing it up for discussion , I can't say lack of remorse as I know he was upset but that's really as far as it goes, this is a guy who says he loves me, has always said it, yet feels 'frozen' to discuss any details , without this I don't feel I can move on as he expects me to do, in fact my reaction is to think f**k you

humourless · 09/03/2017 12:35

The thing is you're not going to throw away a marriage on a suspicion are you?

Oh god.

So sorry.

Kr1stina · 09/03/2017 12:39

RTFT humourless It's not just about 20 years ago

And most people consider that cheating ends a marriage, so the person who has" thrown it away " is the cheater. Not the one who initiates the split.

humourless · 09/03/2017 16:53

Kr!.

I have commented before and this comment was regarding the OP feeling stupid, I was reassuring her that no one would throw a marriage away without knowing their H had cheated as opposed to strongly suspecting.

Kr1stina · 09/03/2017 17:38

Apologies.

I thought you were blaming the OP by telling her that she was throwing away her marriage on a suspicion.

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Jellybellyqueen · 09/03/2017 20:46

Didn't catch that autumn. If you feel it needed to be said, feel free to PM me, I'd be interested to know. And also why you had all your posts removed.

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Jellybellyqueen · 09/03/2017 20:51

Thanks to those with more supportive messages. Oh is due back Fri afternoon, so I guess how he deals with it will show how much he wants to save the 20+ year relationship, or whether he wants to protect his 'good guy' image more.

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