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How plausible is this explanation? Please ask your (male) dp...

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Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 11:08

If this sounds vaguely familiar, it's because I have mentioned it in posts before, as it relates to other things. I'm having a hard time trying to sort stuff out in my head and would really welcome some opinions on whether this explanation is plausible, or really a load of BS and unlikely in the extreme. This is the initial incident which happened a long time ago (approx 20 years, 7 years into a LTR) but may be relevant to something I found out more recently...Not sure what may be relevant, so here's the lot:

When OH initially asked me out he was already in a relationship, I told him I'd go out with him if he was, he finished with her (which I wasn't expecting), we started going out. Lived together at Uni, then separately while he did a post grad, though still as a LTR (exclusive, I think). After a few years we lived together again while he worked and I did a post grad. He still regularly met up with a group of ppl he had studied with , one of which he developed feelings for (he says later on, but not sure if it's relevant here). I was in no way jealous/controlling and trusted him implicitly at this point, so had no problem with him going out to a show alone with this woman.
The incident: He was going on a work conference, a weekend away (can't remember where) , he and his group of friends were in the same profession, so any of this group could have been there. At this point I was not aware we were having any relationship difficulties. He left, kissing and hugging goodbye as usual. I discovered he had taken a condom with him. When he phoned on arrival, he would not give me a room number or contact number for reception/front desk. This was before mobile phones were common!

When he got back I asked him what he had done. Denied everything, finally admitted to taking a condom, but said he had not slept with anyone. However, he had not brought it back. He said he had decided not to go ahead with it and had thrown it away. In the bin in his room. Because he wasn't going to use it. Much later, he said he had probably thrown it away because he hadn't wanted me to find it in his bag.

My issues with this are: if he wasn't aware that I knew he had taken it, why would he think I would find it in his bag? Which he had packed, and would unpack himself. Why would you throw it away in the bin in your room? It's still available if you wanted it.

So my Q is this: If you had planned on shagging someone else on a work do, but maybe didn't get the opportunity, would you throw the condom away so there would be no chance of someone finding it in your bag? I would have thought it would have been better to sneak it back in the pack at home so I wouldn't know there had been one missing. ( Obviously his gaslighting skills weren't as highly developed back then.)

Would I be a total mug to believe this, as it reeks of a desperate excuse, or is this how men think?

Apparently, he'd heard these things could get pretty wild, so he must have really fancied his chances.

I think that's everything. Thanks for reading this far, would appreciate a male view on this if possible.

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OnionKnight · 08/03/2017 11:45

I'm a bloke (sorry) he shagged her.

Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 11:46

Well, we must have been too poor to have mobile phones at that point then!
I thought I had dealt with it back then, I obviously accepted his answer at the time, but now have found out about him having a view to leaving me for this woman, although he said she didn't feel the same way about him (maybe a year on after this incident). This, together with other unexplained things have me questioning our future. If he has been lying since then and continues to do so I can't really imagine a future in which I feel secure with him.
Those who say they'd leave it, given the time period, would you still be happy to do that if you thought he had lied all along?
Yes, if he wants to cheat he will do, but working away for long periods gives him ample opportunity and less likelihood of getting caught. If he's a lying bastard I don't think I can live with the stress.

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TinklyLittleLaugh · 08/03/2017 11:48

Why are you thinking about this now OP? Has something else happened recently?

Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 11:49

Harmlesschap interesting - also used the pill at the time so not only method (sorry if tmi).

Any ideas why just one? Maybe only half expecting some action if spectacularly lucky? Rather than definitely on the prowl?

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MintyChops · 08/03/2017 11:54

I think even if his nonsense about throwing it away is true, he went there with the intention of cheating on you and that's shitty. Has something else happened to make you question him again or has it never really gone away for you?

MintyChops · 08/03/2017 11:55

X-post Tinkly!

TeethDrama · 08/03/2017 11:55

I still can't believe the cheeky sod took one from the home stash instead of buying a new packet and binning any excess or unused box on the way home. Its so childish, and talking of symbolic, as a poster upthread was, damn disrespectful to take one from the stash meant for just him and op.

Anyone that childish and disrespectful could do anything, really.

Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 12:00

Yes, something happened relatively recently. After most recent trip away found his most recent porn stash (after he had said he wouldn't look anymore) , a profile from a dating site, permanently deleted emails from a account he 'wasn't using', and a search for tinder ( while away) on google play. A woman he was working away with messaged him at home in the evenings, bitching about a work colleague, while away she had messaged him pics of her drinks while out in different places. Weird. Had plausible excuses for everything (except emails - that's a computer problem, apparently) and didn't find anything outrightly incriminating, but he could easily delete/use apps/use incognito etc. Finding it all in the space of a week or so was a bit of a shock, took me way back to that initial incident, and questioned how much I can actually trust him now.
And yes,I did go through a period of checking his pockets and counting condoms. I know it wasn't healthy and I don't want to go there again.

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humourless · 08/03/2017 12:02

I get why it matters still, a lie stays in the air like a mouldy bit of dried milk at the back of the fridge, you don't always smell it but when you do you can't rest until it's clean!

Tell him you want an amnesty and that you need to know because it's driving you mad. Tell him someone told you that he did, make out you already know you just want him to admit it so you can move on.

humourless · 08/03/2017 12:03

Ah.

He's cheating isn't he?

Sorry x posted.

Bluntness100 · 08/03/2017 12:04

Well I think the dating site profile is a much bigger issue than whether he did or did not shag someone twenty years ago.

The deleted emails are neither here nor there, many people delete emails.

XiCi · 08/03/2017 12:05

Ah ok. I was going to say that I would just forget about an isolated incident from 20 years ago but it sounds like he has been like that throughout the relationship. Must be a real shock OP

trulybadlydeeply · 08/03/2017 12:07

Sadly, OP, I fear he has been having his cake and eating it for a very long time (or, at the very least, wanting to).

Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 12:08

Bluntness its a separate account, set up when we got an xbox, he said he din't know it was there or use it. So how did it get deleted emails in it? The date they were deleted was a day or so before he came home , a few were deleted a few months later (when logs show he was on the site at that time) and since then, nothing has arrived or been deleted.

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MoonfaceAndSilky · 08/03/2017 12:10

A profile from a dating site?? Hmm
I'm sorry to say he has probably been playing away, on and off, for the last 20 years.

Hullygully · 08/03/2017 12:10

He took a condom.

Even if he didn't use it (unlikely), he hoped to.

Hullygully · 08/03/2017 12:11

Have just read the rest of the thread

Erm

He has and is clearly bang at it

Adora10 · 08/03/2017 12:11

He's been cheating on you for years OP, stop believing his BS excuses; you have ample evidence of it; I have no idea why you believe someone who is so blatantly cheating on you.

Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 12:11

The profile - he looked out of interest,like you would look at the ads in a magazine? (Apparently)

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allchattedout · 08/03/2017 12:12

It's not a plausible explanation at all.

Also, not all men think the same. Just as not all women think the same. Saying 'ask your male partner' is therefore a bit offensive in that regard.

I also wonder about the time gap. Why are you suddenly worried about him going away to work now? Surely could have cheated loads in between then and now?

And for those saying otherwise- mobile phones were NOT particularly commonplace in 1997!

BoobleMcB · 08/03/2017 12:12

Like PPs have said, he either fucked someone or went with the intention of doing so. Either is just as bad.

And like a PP said, he isn't exactly the most trustworthy anyways answer he pursued you whilst still with someone else.

Everyone here is telling you the same thing. Whether you listen or both is up to you OP

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut · 08/03/2017 12:12

Stop focusing on the details and start focusing on the fact he's a scumbag.

You need to find your self respect.

honeyroar · 08/03/2017 12:13

20+ years and he still can't be honest, you're still guessing and looking for clues, it sounds hard work. You're obviously clinging onto the hope that what he's saying is the truth. It must be awful after you've invested all this time, but I really couldn't be bothered with him personally.

allchattedout · 08/03/2017 12:14

Sorry- just read your other posts. Just leave him- he is clearly cheating on you and probably has done for 20 years. He is full of shit and insulting your intelligence by expecting you to believe his bullshit excuses.

Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 12:14

Wow, sorry allchatted, that I offended you by asking for a male opinion!

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