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How plausible is this explanation? Please ask your (male) dp...

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Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 11:08

If this sounds vaguely familiar, it's because I have mentioned it in posts before, as it relates to other things. I'm having a hard time trying to sort stuff out in my head and would really welcome some opinions on whether this explanation is plausible, or really a load of BS and unlikely in the extreme. This is the initial incident which happened a long time ago (approx 20 years, 7 years into a LTR) but may be relevant to something I found out more recently...Not sure what may be relevant, so here's the lot:

When OH initially asked me out he was already in a relationship, I told him I'd go out with him if he was, he finished with her (which I wasn't expecting), we started going out. Lived together at Uni, then separately while he did a post grad, though still as a LTR (exclusive, I think). After a few years we lived together again while he worked and I did a post grad. He still regularly met up with a group of ppl he had studied with , one of which he developed feelings for (he says later on, but not sure if it's relevant here). I was in no way jealous/controlling and trusted him implicitly at this point, so had no problem with him going out to a show alone with this woman.
The incident: He was going on a work conference, a weekend away (can't remember where) , he and his group of friends were in the same profession, so any of this group could have been there. At this point I was not aware we were having any relationship difficulties. He left, kissing and hugging goodbye as usual. I discovered he had taken a condom with him. When he phoned on arrival, he would not give me a room number or contact number for reception/front desk. This was before mobile phones were common!

When he got back I asked him what he had done. Denied everything, finally admitted to taking a condom, but said he had not slept with anyone. However, he had not brought it back. He said he had decided not to go ahead with it and had thrown it away. In the bin in his room. Because he wasn't going to use it. Much later, he said he had probably thrown it away because he hadn't wanted me to find it in his bag.

My issues with this are: if he wasn't aware that I knew he had taken it, why would he think I would find it in his bag? Which he had packed, and would unpack himself. Why would you throw it away in the bin in your room? It's still available if you wanted it.

So my Q is this: If you had planned on shagging someone else on a work do, but maybe didn't get the opportunity, would you throw the condom away so there would be no chance of someone finding it in your bag? I would have thought it would have been better to sneak it back in the pack at home so I wouldn't know there had been one missing. ( Obviously his gaslighting skills weren't as highly developed back then.)

Would I be a total mug to believe this, as it reeks of a desperate excuse, or is this how men think?

Apparently, he'd heard these things could get pretty wild, so he must have really fancied his chances.

I think that's everything. Thanks for reading this far, would appreciate a male view on this if possible.

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SuperFlyHigh · 08/03/2017 13:19

Actually OP you didn't get over the condom incident 20 years ago because if you did why are you asking here about it now?

Or is it that coupled with the Tinder google play stuff you're now smelling a rat?

And want us to work out whether he's been Internet dating cheating.

TheNaze73 · 08/03/2017 13:20

His excuse was embarrassingly bad.

If he doesn't have the opportunity, to cheat, he'll create it. If someone can stick two fingers up at you & your relationship once, they'll do it again. You're either a cheat or you are not. From what you've said, he is

Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 13:22

superfly ppl work through cheating all the time, as long as there is honesty. That's what I need to move forward, otherwise I'm stuck being a paranoid wreck, which I can't live with anymore. I needed to hear that I wasn't the only one not believing his explanation.

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SuperFlyHigh · 08/03/2017 13:25

But he's lied about the condom and most likely about the other internet dating!

He hasn't been honest in the first place re the condom! You have just chosen to believe his lie.

I'm out of this.

good luck!

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 08/03/2017 13:25

Imho, he is a cheat. Emotionally cheating for sure, very likely physically as well.
Perhaps you need a STI check?

Thecontentedcat · 08/03/2017 13:28

Why on earth do you want to be with him, he sounds like a slippery fish. Better to ditch and find someone who doesn't have one eye on the door. Stop making excuses for him op

BoobleMcB · 08/03/2017 13:41

Well why don't you download tinder on his phone, then see if it comes up with his details to automatically sign in (if that makes sense)?

Is tinder not linked to your phone? I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. But even if it's not, if he's used it on his phone, he may have been stupid enough to have left the 'remember me' box ticked

Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 13:45

Tried it, nothing. So he may have been telling the truth. Mind you, wouldn't a relatively intelligent person delete their account before going home after working away?

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BoobleMcB · 08/03/2017 13:52

Not necessarily. Especially if they're planning on using it again next time you're away. Did you actually download it onto his phone then OP?

Sorry, I've never used it. How do you sign in? Is it with phone number, email address or username?

BoobleMcB · 08/03/2017 13:53

*next time their away

BoobleMcB · 08/03/2017 13:53

*they're even! Bloody phone!!

BottleBeach · 08/03/2017 14:39

I was on Tinder very briefly a year ago, then deleted it. Thought I'd also deleted the account, but when I downloaded the app again recently, it immediately came up with my old profile, and showed that someone had matched with me a few months ago, so it seems I hadn't. I'm a relatively intelligent person.

Kr1stina · 08/03/2017 14:44

Don't worry about what happened 20 years ago

Worry about what's he's doing now.

allchattedout · 08/03/2017 14:47

I needed to hear that I wasn't the only one not believing his explanation

I think you are the only one though. But good luck.

rainbowstardrops · 08/03/2017 14:59

It certainly doesn't sound good OP. Even if he hasn't actually shagged someone, I wouldn't be able to trust him again.
Mind you, I'm not sure I'd have got past him taking a condom away with him in the first place though.

HarmlessChap · 08/03/2017 15:00

Mind you, wouldn't a relatively intelligent person delete their account before going home after working away?

An intelligent person would probably own a 2nd phone for their nefarious activities.

humourless · 08/03/2017 15:01

For me trust is something pretty essential.

Better to be single now than in ten years OP.

DerFlabberghast · 08/03/2017 16:30

Not only is his excuse cringe-makingly bad, but you seemed to brush off debs when she pointed out that he cheated right off the bat to be with you in the first place, the fact is that he did, he asked you out while he was in a relationship with someone else, the only reason he didn't have his cake and eat it then was because you held out. That's an emotional affair. It's cheating. That's how your relationship started, he clearly hasn't changed.

GlitteryFluff · 08/03/2017 16:42

Usually gut feelings are pretty good.
Flowers

Georgeofthejungle · 08/03/2017 17:03

Sounds like an ex of mine - excuses for everything and my gut was screaming at me.

I think you know in yourself what's been going on. Hopefully he'd give you the respect you deserve and tell you the truth if you decide to leave him. Trust yourself and don't let him gaslight you! Write it down.

Good luck OP

MyUsernameIsInvalid · 08/03/2017 17:07

So you want to work through cheating if he's honest? He's lied to you for 20years, wasting your life which you could have spent with someone who was faithful and honest and you're going to trust that what he says is going to be honest going forward?
I'm a dude. And if my wife let me lie to her and cheat on her for TWENTY years I'd know I could cheat again, lie and then tell the truth if caught and get away with it.

I'm telling you that if a guy cheats and lies he has NO respect or love for you. If you truly love someone you don't cheat and lie for twenty years.

My 2pence is all.

Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 20:02

harmless funnily enough, I thought I had heard one at one point. Of course, I didn't find it, and it was 'all in my head'. So he has literally driven me round the bend either way.

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Olympiathequeen · 08/03/2017 21:03

He sounds like a lying cheater.

If you've got the money I would hire a private detective because he's so accomplished at deceit I don't think you will ever get an admission or proof positive.

HopelesslydevotedtoGu · 08/03/2017 21:18

For me the flag is that he lied about the condom when you confronted him. He denied it until you backed him into a corner as you definitely had seen it, you knew it had been in his bag. So then he admitted to the minimum possible - yes, he did take it (can't deny that anymore), but that was all, nothing more.

If you'd said "actually I phoned the hotel and they said your bin was empty" he would have changed his story and again admitted to the minimum possible.

I think if the bin story was true he would have told you straight away when you confronted him about the condom.

Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 21:25

der yes, sorry I didn't initially see this as cheating because they broke up before we went out, but I do now recognise that if he asked someone out while going out with me, I would probably see that as cheating

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