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How plausible is this explanation? Please ask your (male) dp...

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Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 11:08

If this sounds vaguely familiar, it's because I have mentioned it in posts before, as it relates to other things. I'm having a hard time trying to sort stuff out in my head and would really welcome some opinions on whether this explanation is plausible, or really a load of BS and unlikely in the extreme. This is the initial incident which happened a long time ago (approx 20 years, 7 years into a LTR) but may be relevant to something I found out more recently...Not sure what may be relevant, so here's the lot:

When OH initially asked me out he was already in a relationship, I told him I'd go out with him if he was, he finished with her (which I wasn't expecting), we started going out. Lived together at Uni, then separately while he did a post grad, though still as a LTR (exclusive, I think). After a few years we lived together again while he worked and I did a post grad. He still regularly met up with a group of ppl he had studied with , one of which he developed feelings for (he says later on, but not sure if it's relevant here). I was in no way jealous/controlling and trusted him implicitly at this point, so had no problem with him going out to a show alone with this woman.
The incident: He was going on a work conference, a weekend away (can't remember where) , he and his group of friends were in the same profession, so any of this group could have been there. At this point I was not aware we were having any relationship difficulties. He left, kissing and hugging goodbye as usual. I discovered he had taken a condom with him. When he phoned on arrival, he would not give me a room number or contact number for reception/front desk. This was before mobile phones were common!

When he got back I asked him what he had done. Denied everything, finally admitted to taking a condom, but said he had not slept with anyone. However, he had not brought it back. He said he had decided not to go ahead with it and had thrown it away. In the bin in his room. Because he wasn't going to use it. Much later, he said he had probably thrown it away because he hadn't wanted me to find it in his bag.

My issues with this are: if he wasn't aware that I knew he had taken it, why would he think I would find it in his bag? Which he had packed, and would unpack himself. Why would you throw it away in the bin in your room? It's still available if you wanted it.

So my Q is this: If you had planned on shagging someone else on a work do, but maybe didn't get the opportunity, would you throw the condom away so there would be no chance of someone finding it in your bag? I would have thought it would have been better to sneak it back in the pack at home so I wouldn't know there had been one missing. ( Obviously his gaslighting skills weren't as highly developed back then.)

Would I be a total mug to believe this, as it reeks of a desperate excuse, or is this how men think?

Apparently, he'd heard these things could get pretty wild, so he must have really fancied his chances.

I think that's everything. Thanks for reading this far, would appreciate a male view on this if possible.

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ScrambledSmegs · 08/03/2017 12:17

Well you asked how 'men' think, so I asked DH what he thought. He says your husband has obviously been cheating for years. That was what I thought on first read as well. So there you go.

I think it's a bit of a leap to say all men think the same though.

humourless · 08/03/2017 12:18

My husband said he's cheating.

I think he's cheating.

Look when things don't add up they aren't true.

allchattedout · 08/03/2017 12:18

Wow, sorry allchatted, that I offended you by asking for a male opinion!

Sorry, maybe that was too harsh, but as I said there is no such thing as a 'male opinion' same as there is no such thing as a 'female opinion'. Does it matter what some random guy thinks anyway- there is so much evidence of infidelity there that anyone can see what is going on? Any man who packs a condom for a trip away is planning to cheat on his partner. So is a man who sets up an online dating profile when he is married.

MrsGuyOfGisbo · 08/03/2017 12:21

Really puzzled about taking one condom.
Much easier to stop at a petrol station, buy a packet then bin tany remaining before you get home. Sounds as if he was timid, tentative, and then did bottle out. I think it is quite plausible.
However, the fact that this is bugging you now suggests wider issues to be resolved.

Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 12:22

Sorry, wasn't clear on the dating profile - I meant he had read some woman's dating profile (the 2 pages he read were in his computer history), not that he had set up a dating profile. it is something you could read without setting up or logging in,I think, by clicking on a pic on Guardian Soulmates page? That's why I could believe it an equivalent to being nosy at magazine ads. Not that he should be looking anyway. I did go on myself and have a look around but didn't find anything incriminating. Unfortunately, I'm not a very good computer detective.

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Ellisandra · 08/03/2017 12:23

My fiancé would be offended if you're suggesting that his mind works in the same way as your arsehole husband's!

Way too many plausible (but actually shit) excuses there.

Who knows whether he used the confirm? If no one fancied him, does that make it less of a betrayal that he was planning to cheat?

He's been on dating sites love - who knows about 20 years ago, but I'd be bloody surprised if he hasn't cheated since then.

You know that it's actually OK to dump him for "looking"? You don't need proof of him physically cheating. If you are not happy, and he has given you plenty of reason not to be - that's enough Flowers

Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 12:23

MrsGuyhe went by train. Didn't have a car back then. I get your point about the one though.

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humourless · 08/03/2017 12:26

Are you sure you can look at someone;'s profile before setting up an account?

I thought you couldn't.... I was trying to show my husband the difference in calibre of men on the market looking for a 42 woman and women looking for a 42 year old man but we couldn't get onto to any without joining....

I lost the argument.

Ellisandra · 08/03/2017 12:32

Funny how you read on here all the time about men looking at Tinder/POF etc out of curiosity.

I have lots of attached male friends and a wide work group who socialise together a lot. Often would ask me about these sites when I was on them. None of them cared enough to go looking. Curious about WHAT exactly? There is nothing about Tinder etc that you need to actually access it to satisfy your curiosity on how it works. Funny how these men never say "fancy looking at Tinder with me? I want to see what it's all about"

OnionKnight · 08/03/2017 12:33

After reading your updates, he's been at it for years.

Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 12:37

humourless I just checked, yes, you can click on one of the 'recently joined' pictures and click for further info

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Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 12:40

Ellisandra apparently, one of the friends he was with 'met his wife' on tinder, so he looked it up. He can't remember what for though, it doesn't give you much info on google play (which is what he searched on), he said maybe to see how many ppl were on it? He had been at a party and was probably drunk at the time. (maybe that's why it was still on his search history)

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inlectorecumbit · 08/03/2017 12:42

Just asked DH..he laughed at the condom in the bin. Of course he shagged someone.

Ellisandra · 08/03/2017 12:47

That's a lot of can't remember and a lot of potential excuses. Throw them out until one sticks.

Whilst it might still be a lie, I would believe one clear reason over that shite.

SuperFlyHigh · 08/03/2017 13:00

Dating site profile... Most men I know would just ask their friends about it or look out of interest but not sign up.

I have heard of couples browsing Tinder (for threesomes? Or to see how the site works, but mostly they look at someone else's Tinder account like when I had one (dating someone now so don't use it) to see how it works.

Signing it up and then spinning some cock and bull story about not using it is pathetic.

He could view a woman's profile (why unless he's interested in her) without joining up but it'd be a stretch for me to think he didn't join up especially with this condom excuse! Without the condom episode I'd maybe give him the benefit of the doubt. Big maybe though.

Adora10 · 08/03/2017 13:00

Too much mud here OP, it might not all be cheating related but some of must be; esp the going away with the intention to shag, that much has admitted to I think, why do you want to stay with a man that is taking contraceptive with the intention to shag other women.

Never mind the rest; just looking my arse; I'd bet money on him having an account on the dating app.

SuperFlyHigh · 08/03/2017 13:03

You can't really "see how many people" are on Tinder. It doesn't work like that.

You can see "people you know" via Facebook who are or are not on Tinder but often the people involved don't know of the ones who know them Hmm perhaps too many friends etc.

I've known people on tinder who i know in real life, had no idea they were on tinder i.e. they tell me or I see their pic etc. it's too big a site to scroll through to find people.

Wishiwasmoiradingle2017 · 08/03/2017 13:08

When he met you he had wandering eyes - it was your morals that made him wait for you. His eyes have been that way since. . Sorry but ltb is the only option to save your mh.

HarmlessChap · 08/03/2017 13:08

Looking at these things in isolation.

  1. The condom - probability is that something happened, at very least he wanted it to.

  2. He had thoughts that he wanted to leaveyou for another woman - That's awful.

  3. Tinder. While I'm aware of what it is I don't know how Tinder works but surely if he's not created a profile on this dating app he can't actively contact other users, can he? All he can do is browse. So it is more of an indication that he is considering cheating than engaged in it.

I think you have plenty of proof of intent,the question is whether that is enough for you or whether you need to catch him with his pants down?

Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 13:09

superfly as far as I can tell he looked up tinder on google play while away. By the time I found out about it he was back home, and def didn't have the app on his phone then. Nothing conclusive, driving me insane.
Adora I made an effort to get over that and believe the excuses years ago. Yes, the intention is pretty hurtful in itself, I wouldn't have even thought about it again if it weren't for the recent stuff though.

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Ellisandra · 08/03/2017 13:12

The timing is interesting, him being away.

Surely a generalised innocent curiosity about Tinder would strike at any time?

Funny how no-one's boyfriend turns to them on the sofa one night and says "another newspaper reference to Tinder - shall we have a look?"

No. Curiosity always strikes when they're alone Hmm

Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 13:14

harmless 1) & 2) he was young and foolish. We got over it 20 ish years ago. 3)No proof he actually looked on tinder iyswim, the only thing I know for sure is he looked at the google play app, no indication it was downloaded.

God, I'm such a mug.

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Adora10 · 08/03/2017 13:14

Fact is OP, you can't trust him, he's got a wandering eye and is making you feel second best, that's not good for your wellbeing; is he really worth hanging on to cos it sounds like you're going to spend the rest of your days policing him.

Jellybellyqueen · 08/03/2017 13:16

Ellisandra he was actually out at a party at the time, so that bit would make sense....wish he was here having to defend himself to you all though. Might get a bit more honesty out of him.

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SuperFlyHigh · 08/03/2017 13:17

Honestly OP you've seen the replies about the condom at the very least from other men (whose responses you did ask for!), after all that and he's most likely cheated even though he was young etc are you really going to stay with him??

I wouldn't.

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