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Tell me about an affair you've had or know of where the man didn't leave their wife like they promised

181 replies

Dineoutone · 27/02/2017 20:33

Need a reality check please.

It's not me having the affair - though you'll all think it is! I want to show my friend that what she is doing is wasting her life. She's 27 and he's 52 and promised he will leave his wife. They've been dating for a year and the current excuse is 'when you youngest goes to college.' (In 2 years). Yeah right.

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magicstar1 · 28/02/2017 10:49

I have an awful one...a friend of mine was about 22 and started an affair with a married man in his forties. He told her his wife was leaving him and going to America. So the wife left, my friend moved in with him for a few weeks...until he told her that his wife had actually gone ahead to prepare their new house etc. and he was following her over. All he left my friend with was a heartbreak and a raging case of genital warts. I did have a few rows with her about what she did...but he was a total prick.

heateallthebuns · 28/02/2017 10:50

Well he will or he won't. But why would she want to be with someone willing to buy her to one side and have her life on hold, knowing he must be hurting her. Ask her why she wouldn't rather be with someone who puts her first.

heateallthebuns · 28/02/2017 10:51

Put her to one side

ravenmum · 28/02/2017 11:37

Several people on the thread have stated that men are far more likely not to leave. Where does this idea come from? I know of loads of cases where men and women have left for OW/OM, and no cases of people waiting for their affair partner to leave. Of course that's anecdotal - there are no statistics on it, so what else can it be? As I said before, I should think that most cases of men not leaving stay hidden, and only the leavers come to light. But on what basis are people saying that men are more likely to stay with their wife, as if that's a fact?

gogogadget32 · 28/02/2017 11:44

I had a friend, sounds a similar situation to your friend, where she was in her early twenties and he was mid-late 40s. Stayed with him for over 10 years, he kept giving reasons he wouldn't leave his wife, mainly the kids and that they needed to leave home before he would. Of course that milestone came and went and still no sign of leaving.

I never met him so I don't know what was going on in his head really, at one stage he was living at hers during the week and at his wife's at the weekend. So a full on relationship in some ways, but never introduced him to her friends or family. Very sad I thought this whole secret life thing. They parted ways but it was amicable and they still speak. I don't pretend to understand as far as I see he ruined any possibility of her having a marriage, babies etc. Selfish actions from an external point of view, but it was a genuine relationship and I don't think my friend regretted it at all.

Not sure if that story helps lol

TheLittlePaperbagPrincess · 28/02/2017 11:55

Friend of a friend, who was married herself, had an affair with a married man. They met at her workplace, local hospital, he was a consultant, she's a department secretary. Let's call her Jean and him John.

John's wife had a long-term chronic illness, Jean has a teenage son as well as a husband. John tells Jean he doesn't want to be responsible for breaking up a marriage whilst she still has a child at home, so they'll keep it under wraps until her son leaves home/goes to college.

Affair carried on for a few years, and involved lots of shenanigans at work- think them nipping off for the afternoon and friends having to cover for them. Lots of disapproval and ruffled feathers with colleagues.

Jean's son, skipping games at school one afternoon, walked in on her and the guy whilst her husband was away on business. Expect that is a lovely lasting memory for the kid. He panicked and called his dad.

Dad/husband comes back from business trip early, arrives next day. Massive fight, she leaves for work so he storms round to John's house to batter have it out with him. He'd been suspicious for ages of how close she'd been with John, also whether a member of secretarial staff needed to go on overnight/long weekend medical conferences several times a year.

Finds instead John's unwell wife (she has MS). She collapses in hysterics, as she's been in denial for ages, having had her suspicions but as soon as she sees this man and the look on his face they are all confirmed her world comes crashing down (she knows who he is as it's a small community and there have been work events with partners invited). Jean's husband drives her to hospital a&e as she is having a panic attack and can't breathe.

It's the hospital where the cheating pair work (it would be, small community, only one for miles). So word spreads quickly, especially as loads of people have known for ages, it's been the hot gossip, some disapprove outright, some cover for them increasingly uncomfortably. Jean has tipped John off that they are rumbled.

Someone in A&E calls up to John to let him know his wife is there. John runs to be with his wife. Jean runs after him.

They arrive in A&E to find his wife and her husband. Massive scene ensues. John tells Jean it is over in front of everyone, as he can't leave/continue to hurt his sick wife. Jean's husband screams at her that it is over and that their son wants to live with him.

Jean goes to her mum's that night after work as she doesn't want to go home. Mum tells her she isn't welcome after what she has done (teenage son/grandson has been round at Granma's all day as too upset to go to school). She is told to go home and sort out her own mess, she'll get no sympathy from her family.

So she goes back and her husband is in pieces. Absolute floods of tears, can't believe she would do this to him, to her son, what are they going to do, he still loves her but he can't look at her, how can they live together, how can they sell the house (market was bad) etc. Pretty emotionally exhausting night.

Next day, everyone at work knows, knows she had an affair, knows she's been dumped by the fancy man, people are whispering about her in front of her. Over the course of the day it becomes pretty clear that John is avoiding her, he sends her email saying that his wife has made him breaking off all contact a condition of the marriage going on, and he can't leave someone who has MS, he would be a monster to do that (I think he should have thought about that before having an affair really). She realises she is at the very least going to get moved at work, if not get edged out all together, because of the pecking order at work he can't switch speciality etc.

So she goes home and her husband has gone to her mum's with her son, as he can't take another night like the one before and he's already in trouble at work for cutting trip short and taking a day off instead.

Jean takes an overdose. Teenage son pops in morning to pick up some stuff, finds her. Again, lovely for him. He calls ambulance, they go to hospital she works at. She has left a note saying she can't go on without John.

Anyway, she survives and she and husband piece their lives back together. She does get moved department at work. She finds it difficult to get on with new colleagues as they don't want to get drawn into anything. Her husband is very hurt now a bit suspicious at the drop of a hat- doesn't like her going away, going on nights out without him, seeing friends in the afternoon for coffee. It's not that's he controlling, he just gets really nervous and clingy a lot. So she finds that difficult.

All this happened before I knew her. She did befriend a friend of mine- someone, who like me, was relatively new to the area, so didn't know the back story. My friend, worked at the same hospital sometimes, but wasn't employed by the hospital directly and is only onsite sometimes, and being new, didn't know all the backstory.

So we three are out for a coffee one Saturday afternoon, and this guy walks in and Jen is like a cat on hot bricks. He makes a real point of coming up and saying hello to her as he leaves- she goes bright red and giggles. Me and the other friend are like "Huh?" And she says he is an old flame.

But about a month later, friend is at a hospital night out. One of the porters who she is on good terms with tells her to watch her back. He's a bit drunk so he tells her a bit of the backstory and that hospital gossip is that it looks like Jean and John are starting up again- they are nipping off a lot, been seen whispering together, going into,store rooms etc. Porter says friend needs to watch her back because Jean is already using friend as a cover story - "Oh, I'm going to meet Jean" when she's off for a tryst, and people, who like my friend even though she's quite new, don't want to see her/her employer get used (it's a charity who have a contract for some ward/cafe catering, always a lot of competition for the contract when it comes up, any shenanigans might tip the balance in the favour of one of the commercial competitions who always offer more but charity wins as more healthy options/profits go to charity/established working relationship).

So friend asks Jean about this and that's when all the above story comes out. Jean says she is desperately unhappy at home, husband is now suffocating. She can't stand it, so when John approached her again with a view to starting things up again, she jumped at the chance. The deal now is that he can't leave his wife whilst she is ill, but MS shortens life expectancy so it won't be long (not at all ghoulish). They haven't managed to go away together yet, they've just been meeting up when they can, will friend cover for her for a night away.

Friend is thinks to herself "err, not sure I'm too comfortable with that, this seems a bit messy to me" so decides to take a different tack. Says , look you can't go on like this, this is all so emotional. If you're really unhappy at home, I've got this big house all to myself, leave your husband, you can come and stay with me for a while. Think through what you really want to do before you do anything, maybe you'd be better with some time to yourself. You never got that before because you couldn't go to your mum's when it lol came out, maybe you need that time. Then depending on what you decide you can go home and make a go of it with your family, or stay here til you get on your feet and get your own place. But Jean doesn't want to do that- she just wants to stay in the marriage until John is free. She and husband have financial security together- he earns quite well and so she can afford a nice car, new clothes whilst they are together. If she had to rent herself or get a mortgage, she could do it but she wouldn't have the same standard of living. It'll be different when John is free- his wife will leave him the house, the wife has money too, they never had kids, he has a consultant's salary then pension, she'd be leaving for a more comfortable life.

Friend is a bit like "Huh? Oh well suit yourself...oh, is this about your son's,standard of living? Oh, ok, I get it I think. Hmm". And she says, "look, I'm not going to tell your husband what's going on, I'm not going to drop you in it, but please don't use me as a cover story, I don't want him pitching up,at my house in the middle of the night one night looking for,you and you're not here."

Every time me, friend and Jean are out, husband is always on the phone checking where she is. He wasn't like that before- he would call once, ask when she'd be back, not be checking where she was every fifteen minutes. So,I am a bit "Is everything ok? What's happened. Is he controlling/emotionally abusing you? What's going on?" So I get let in the loop. It's obvious Jean's husband can sense something is on again. There's one time I am round at friend's house for a natter and Jean pops in with a couple of dresses for friend to borrow, makes out that she's here for the afternoon with us and coffee and cake, then phones husband, tells him where she is, makes both me and friend speak to him on the phone to prove who she was with. Then gets changed into sexy outfit and scarpers. All this within 10 minutes of arriving. Friend is like "Oh god, she's off to shag John and we've just been the bloody alibi".

Fairly obvious what happens one Saturday night a wee while later. Jean's husband turns up at friends house about midnight. Jean is not there and friend is none the wiser than the husband about where Jean is.

Friend finds out Jean has been using her as the cover at work too, so decides it's best for the sake of her job to distance herself from Jean. I say "Well, I only ever knew her through you anyway, and this is all too messy for me to be honest".

And again, it all comes out in public, and again Jen is publically dumped.

I don't know if they are now on round 3 or 4.

But really, if you were Jean, wouldn't your teenage son walking in on you, or finding you in the midst of a suicide bid, be enough to make you stop? Never mind public humiliation and workplace shunning.

Sorry for the magnum opus, it was good to write that all down!

fuzzywuzzy · 28/02/2017 12:04

Actually I do know of a man leaving his family for ow.

My (now ex) friend met and got together with MM, he left his wife who had just had their second child and older child for ex friend.

He left his wife within about a three month period of getting together with ex friend tho it wasn't years.

Given the above I don't think the man in question is such a catch. Who can leave their newborn baby behind?

CheersMedea · 28/02/2017 12:31

TheLittlePaperBagPrincess

Wow! That's quite a tale.

But really, if you were Jean, wouldn't your teenage son walking in on you, or finding you in the midst of a suicide bid, be enough to make you stop?

I think what this shows is that very strong sexual attraction/sexual obsession overrides everything. Everything. It makes you insane.

As you say, there has been enough there to make a rational person stop. This is like alcoholic addiction where people keep drinking even though their husband leaves, their liver is shot and they are dying. They just can't stop.

I would put money on the fact that Jean and John have a mutual non-mainstream sexual interest that is hard to find easily elsewhere and they are highly compatible - something BDSM type related or similar. Neither want to let go because they know they won't get the same sex anywhere else easily.

KarmaKit · 28/02/2017 12:47

She's never going to believe what he says anyway. So maybe he does leave in two years, tells her its because he loves her, he's told his wife everything, she understands because their marriage was loveless etc etc. But this guy is an accomplished liar - she has no way of knowing that the wife didn't find out and kick him out, and he's coming to her because he has no choice.

It's no situation to be in but I think the posters who said you should leave her to it are right. She won't see sense and will turn on you for trying to spoil her "happiness" such as it is.

FrenchLavender · 28/02/2017 12:50

Never mind whether he will or won't leave, why on earth does she want to saddle herself with a 52 year old when she's only 27? Confused

He's going to start seeming like an old man in ten or 15 years and she'll be in her absolute prime.

KarmaKit · 28/02/2017 12:54

Oh and it won't all be sunshine and roses if he does leave either. Hurt ex wife and children (who are too old to ever really accept a new woman in their father's life and maybe have had suspicions that something was going on before the parents split), never able to tell anyone how they met, when they got together etc.
And the aforementioned distrust about how the split happened. And will he cheat again? Probably.

HappyJanuary · 28/02/2017 12:54

I wonder how many men say they've left their wife, but were actually thrown out.

Or how many say they were relieved to be thrown out, when they were actually pleading with their wives for a second chance.

I don't know what makes some women look at a man proven to be capable of convincingly lying, cheating and betraying, but believe that they can't possibly be lying to them. I don't know if it's naivety, gullibility or vanity.

HappyJanuary · 28/02/2017 13:00

ravenmum, there are loads of statistics online if you search for them - anonymous surveys, academic studies and so on.

I'm not going to vouch for their accuracy but the overarching message always seems to be the same.

Some affair factss* here

FluffyPersian · 28/02/2017 13:12

My friend 'Sally' is a very smart, attractive, professional 35 year old woman - she divorced her 2nd Husband and whilst she was getting divorced, she met 'James' at work - He was married, aged 54.... 2 daughters (17 & 18) and had been with his wife for over 20 years.

The affair started as 'fun' in December 2014 where they met in his car and had 'fun' in a layby and after a few months had changed to 'We love each other and he's going to leave his wife for me'. Apparently it wasn't the first affair he'd had, but it was the first affair where he said he loved the Mistress and wanted to leave his wife.

Thus started 2 YEARS of absolute craziness

  1. He went 'on courses' and booked Sally under 'Mrs James' and told his wife he was going on a course and where (and this would be backed up by work and certifications) but extended the stay 1 day either side of the course.
  1. He'd get up early (5am) to sneak over to Sallys house so they could have some 'fun' before work.
  1. He kept giving Sally excuses as to why he couldn't leave:
* I can't leave as my Daughter is doing School exams * I can't leave as my Daughter is going to to go Uni and I can't ruin it for her *I can't leave as it's too close to Christmas *I can't leave as my Mum is ill *I can't leave as my Mum has died and I need to support my Dad
  1. Sally would give him 'deadlines' and they'd pass - he'd come up with another excuse, say how much he loved her, tell her he really wanted to be with her, apologise for being 'useless' and say he would 100%, certainly, definitely, absolutely leave his wife before the next deadline - which never happened.
  1. James was very jealous - he hated it when Sally didn't respond to his texts or emails, he hated it when she went out with friends (especially male friends) and actually 'dumped' her as he 'couldn't cope' with her going on holiday to Paris for a week on her own as he thought she'd meet someone else and leave him and he 'just couldn't cope' - Yet when he went on romantic breaks with his wife, he expected her to be fine with it as 'What does she want? Him never to have fun?' Hmm
  1. Just before Christmas 2016, He had sworn he'd leave his Wife and yet again, it didn't happen. Sally saw a picture on Facebook that his Wife had uploaded of them all looking happy together and she flipped. She messaged his Wife on Facebook with about 8 photos of James and her (one in underwear) saying 'I just wanted you to know, this has been going on 2 years, I'm not the first, he's wanted to leave you since the children were young, this is what real love looks like'
  1. Even then, James continued emailing Sally, saying he still loved her, his wife wanted to make it work and thought if they just went to counselling, it would be fine.........Sally left that place of work and went to work somewhere else, but a mutual friend passed messages about what James has sent to her, to Sally, saying 'He really does love yooooooou, he really is going to leave his wife'
  1. Sally spend all of Christmas and New year waiting for James to leave his wife, as per the mutual friends insistence that he was serious and was going to leave.
  1. Sally is still waiting.......
AnoiseAnnoysanOyster · 28/02/2017 13:14

Does she realise she's just being fed the script. Oh and how does she feel about being a step mum to three angry children?

TheLittlePaperbagPrincess · 28/02/2017 13:37

I'm not sure it was BDSm CheersMedea...but she had been overweight most of her life, low self-esteem, thought herself lucky that anyone was interested in her, "settled" for her husband even though I think she wasn't that attracted to him.

Then she lost a lot of weight, about 6 or 7 stone I think. Started getting attention she'd never had before in her life.

I think John, was the first person who was sexually attracted to her that she was also really sexually attracted to. So probably the first person she had sexual chemistry/fireworks with.

She was also very status/money conscious, and I think the fact that she could take up with a hospital consultant, made her think "I can do better" and also made he think that if she'd been thinner at the time she got married, she could have "married well".

She blamed the affair on her husband- that since she lost the weight, he had been proud to have her on his arm and she just felt like a trophy wife. But the thing is, he married her and loved her before she was "a trophy" and just seemed proud of her that she stuck to something (diet and running) and was happier and healthier. So I think the trophy wife thing was more about how she viewed herself/women generally.

Anyway, I do thing it was a very strong sexual connection, probably the first mutual one she ever had. I also think she liked the drama.

AJudyKate · 28/02/2017 13:46

I was once a shoulder to cry on for a friend after her affair with a married colleague ended.

They were old flames, he'd had an arranged marriage to please his parents but of course he really loved her all along (well not enough to marry her but she ignored that). His wife didn't understand him. They were only together for the kids. He was just waiting for his parents to die and kids to grow up so that he could get divorced and they'd be together like they should have been (quite a lot of waiting then). He definitely didn't have sex with his wife...

She absolutely believed all that bullshit despite being a clever, gorgeous woman with everything going for her. I could never see the attraction myself but he was very rich and prone to expensive gifts and trips to Paris etc.

Then his wife got pregnant again.

He actually still tried to claim that this was a one off moment of madness, total surprise etc but by then the scales had fallen from friends eyes.

She was screwed up for a long time over it but actually fortunate that did happen or she would have wasted years of her life on him. As it was there was a happy ending and she met a much nicer single guy who she is now married to.

I don't think someone in this situation will listen. My friend never did. She had so many excuses for him and she said she was prepared to not have kids to be with him. She just thought it was romantic, fate etc etc. Easy to say all that when you don't have to live with someone and share the downs as well as the ups. A real relationship can seem a bit pedestrian in comparison I suspect.

After it ended he was terrified she'd tell his wife and family. Pleading, bribery, blackmail etc I think she realised then that actually his marriage and kids were far more important to him than she ever was which is a bitter pill to swallow when you thought you were the unrequited love of his life.

She didn't tell and I don't think she will. She's ashamed of her own behaviour (her family and most of her friends don't know) and realises that he would probably manage to twist it around to blame her.

I think as a friend you just keep communication open. I despaired to see her fucking up her life and wasn't over keen to hear about their shenanigans which I did make clear but I was glad she could come to me for support when it ended. I think that's all you can do.

user1471452804 · 28/02/2017 13:52

I know many men who have left their wives and families for the OW. Not sure about those who had an affair and then stayed married. One older friend had a husband who had affairs but never left, one whose husband had an on and off affair and eventually left. And a woman who got someone away from his wife and children (he has a good job and quite well off) she then continues to have numerous affairs which he ignores, you never know what will happen!

MyheartbelongstoG · 28/02/2017 13:54

Here's another story.

Carol had an affair with Frank.

Carol and Frank are shits.

Don't be like Carol and Frank.

WannaBe · 28/02/2017 14:04

IMO the longer the affair goes on the more of a lifestyle choice it becomes iyswim.

I realise that it's not PC to say it on here, but I do think that sometimes people end up in wrong or bad marriages or meet someone else, but invariably when that happens they move forward quickly because they know that that is where they want to be. I know a couple who started out as an affair when I was still quite young and have now been together for nearly 30 years. I have no idea what went on in their marriages but I do know that they all moved forward quickly into their new relationship and that relationship is still together.

But IMO if you are the type to start seeing someone else while you're still married, having sex with the wife at night and with the OW on the side, there comes a point when you've been doing it for long enough that it's essentially just a lifestyle choice iyswim. Why would you change things then?

I had a friend at school whose dad had an affair pretty much for the duration of her school life. We all knew, her mum talked about it openly in front of us when we went round there, and the OW even used to ring him at home. Shock. Anyway once the youngest DC left school the mum threw him out and filed for divorce. He moved straight in with OW and the relationship only lasted for six months after that. Seems the affair was the attraction. And he came crawling back to his wife wanting to start over, at which point she told him to get stuffed.

ravenmum · 28/02/2017 14:07

HappyJanuary I must be searching the wrong academic sites, all I can find is blogs and stuff.

IrianOfW · 28/02/2017 14:15

Suggest she informs his wife of his intention of leaving her within the next few years and see what happens next.

That should clarify things nicely.

AntiqueSinger · 28/02/2017 14:31

Are you intending to show friend this thread? Otherwise what's the point?

CoughingForWeeks · 28/02/2017 15:07

I spent over a year as the OW, with a much older man. We had several weekends away, he stayed at my house as often as he could, was quite blatant on social media about us meeting up. He told me he loved me but wasn't brave enough to leave as it would ruin him financially, yet he was jealous as hell if I spoke to another man.

His wife found out in the end; he stayed with me for a while before returning home, left her again after a row shortly after that and then went home again a week later. I'd told him that if he left me again it was over for good and that if staying married was what he wanted, he'd be wise to let his wife believe it was just sex. His life has gone back to normal as far as I can tell, while all the vitriol was directed at me. I genuinely hope they've got past it and are now happy, because I'd hate him to have put both his wife and me through something so messy, and painful for no reason.
OP, I doubt your friend's man will leave. He'd have done it by now if he was going to.

orangejuicedrinksup · 28/02/2017 16:48

Reckon the kind of older married man who subtly comes onto me actually comes onto ALL the available looking women - there is definitely a "type" who secretly enjoys the thrill of the chase and the drama and the double life and feeling he's got lots of women chasing after him.

Older "single" manager transferred to my workplace site from within company, not the best looking bloke but very tall, masculine, obviously power is an aphrodisiac and very attentive and paying lots of attention to me in particular.

I confess he was fairly sexually attractive and I probably thought of him whilst sexually fantasising . But I had other workplace issues and I get plenty of men outside, plus my gut feeling was off ( it's like he was sort of seeking me out and "leading" me to ask him out so he coukd disclaim responsibility?) Even though he wasn't wearing a ring, I referred to his wife on conversation ( which he doesn't refer back to but seems to make him very "off")

Left workplace as planned according to my own career needs ( nothing happened with this guy)

Met up with a workplace female friend after and she told me ( no prompting !) that he's done the same thing with her AND basically been seeing someone at work since he got transferred over, so never was single? ( know her on sight, lovely woman? Older and Closer to his age than me and my friend)

So basically he's been working through the females on site, trying to find the youngest/most nubile one to say yes to him and looking to upgrade) .

I actually think a lot of women who get caught up in OW situation are commitment and intimacy avoidant themselves? They just don't want to admit it.

I think a lot of women find the traditional X Marry someone close to your own age and step on the Route to two kids and joint mortgage and suburbia terrifying ( probably for good reasons too I'm the same!) we don't want to be our mothers.

So drama and stolen weekends and "Mr Exciting" appeal for that reason ( and the OW gets to keep the independent life of a single woman, too)

But there ARE alternatives in between "thrills and drama" and "claustrophobic nuclear family set up", feminism did that for us!

I'm too young to say if it will work for me, but am child free by choice, looking to work X years abroad and take the hippy trail and keep my interests and independence , and have some (SINGLE) male attention and companionship on the way. But it's possible to do without being an OW.