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What do you think turns somebody into a sadist?

102 replies

dreamreckless · 20/02/2017 17:51

Are people just born that way? or do they become so because of something that happened to them?

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dreamreckless · 21/02/2017 07:41

No, you misunderstand me. We do not have a "BDSM" relationship and I am not a "sub" Hmm

My husband takes pleasure, sometimes sexual pleasure but other times just sheer "for the hell of it" enjoyment in pain, humiliation and harm to others. This is not a thread about Christian bloody Grey.

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AnyFucker · 21/02/2017 08:02

Why are you with him ?

dreamreckless · 21/02/2017 08:08

It is an excellent question, isn't it?

I think because he isn't inclined this way all, or even most, of the time. Much of the time he is attentive, kind, loving and fun. Also I think I've "excused" him for a while, you can see I've tried to do this in my first post "oh, he had a bad childhood."

Moreover though and without the usual "but I do love him" excuses, i think there is an emotional need there that is mutual, so it's maybe me who is damaged as much as him although my damage hurts me rather than others. Does that make any sense at all?

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AnyFucker · 21/02/2017 08:11

Yes, it sounds like you are co dependent

How does this "sadism" manifest itself ? I hate him already, btw.

Doublemint · 21/02/2017 08:13

I think an important question would be- do you enjoy it?

Averlongtimeago · 21/02/2017 08:19

You should not feel hurt or humiliated or frightened in a loving relationship. If that's what it takes for him to enjoy sex, then there is nothing wrong with you, and everything wrong with him.

dreamreckless · 21/02/2017 08:41

He leads people into humiliating encounters and takes a lot of pleasure from it: if he has to speak to someone at work or in daily life he clearly enjoys feeling powerful and superior.

I came across an exchange of messages between him and a friend that were uncomfortable reading, they described how they'd intimidated a young woman. They hadn't said a word. Just followed her. But I think what happened was it started innocuously where they genuinely were just going that way and then twigged she was getting a bit nervy and instead of waiting a while and letting her get ahead they turned it into what read to me a very chilling cat and mouse game, I could have read that all wrong but i could just "see" him doing it. Its him all over. "I could, I won't, but I want you to know I could."

I mean they are two examples but does that give a sense of what I mean?

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Doublemint · 21/02/2017 08:44

That is beyond terrifying in my opinion. That poor woman.

So it's not sexual at all or it's sexual and "General"?

Poorlybabysickday · 21/02/2017 08:46

He sounds horrible Sad. Has he ever been violent to you?

Gallavich · 21/02/2017 08:48

He's dangerous.

dreamreckless · 21/02/2017 08:54

I don't know what you mean doublemint to be honest.

Has he ever been violent to me ... yes, is the honest answer.

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WarwickDavisAsPlates · 21/02/2017 08:56

Has he ever used his intimidation tactics on you even in a small way?

Best case scenario, he's just a dickhead and you shouldn't have to be with someone like that.

Worst case scenario, he could turn very abusive towards you.

I think you need to leave before you find out how far along this spectrum he is.

WarwickDavisAsPlates · 21/02/2017 08:57

Cross post with OP.

Get out now. He won't change, he will only get worse.

PoorYorick · 21/02/2017 08:58

If he were a Dominant who enjoyed causing controlled pain to a consenting partner but understood power exchange and would always respect a limit or safe word, there would be no problem. Those sorts of men don't actually want or like to cause actual harm.

But what you're describing is something else entirely. He sounds utterly terrifying. I would contact Women's Aid, your GP, anyone like that, and try to talk this through because you aren't safe.

WTAF2016 · 21/02/2017 09:35

Oh my fucking word he sounds terrifying and dangerous.

Please, please keep yourself safe

I could, I won't, but I want you to know I could

An ex said things like this to me around how he could murder me. I ran.

JangleJem · 21/02/2017 10:25

I'm intrigued: what's the book?

Also - he sounds very alarming.

ColumbosCousin · 21/02/2017 10:45

Hmm....

What makes a person become a narcissist, psychopath, sadist, addict (and so on). Probably everyone who has met such a person has wondered and probably delved into intellectually to some degree.

However, I think the first thoughts I had that my new "boyfriend" was definitely a full-blown narcissist - after first of all the sadness for him (amazingly) plus chills down my own spine - was to think how can I get completely away from him safely. It took one more date, where he dropped me off in the rain and dark in the middle of nowhere to make my own way home. I realised he would never leave me alone if I didn't go 100% No Contact, despite him saying "no one ever leaves me(more chills). I finally immediately carried it through. As I was frightened of him I gave a tearful "its not me, its you" short speech on the phone so it looked like I was the crazy one - I still baulk at doing that Angry and think I might have been a bit more ballsy - look I never want to see you again end of. But anyway thats how I coped, I was feeling vulnerable, at the time.

Its good to try and understand (thank God for the internet and Amazon, I would never have worked this out by myself), but intellectually going the whole hog is something to do later if thats what you want.

The main thing to do IMO is to get away. To save your own soul. Perhaps very literally. Even if you don't care about your own soul, and you may not, somehow you must still do it. Otherwise its like you are caving in to a kind of evil, giving it sway in the world. Thats how I saw it anyway.

As for your direct question - what causes it - like most things - its nature and nurture. You can read 1000 books and get 1000 opinions and though it might be very interesting I believe you will still be left with some kind of combination of this. So the real question is what you, concious, thinking, breathing, and in charge of your actions and hopefully your soul, are going to do.

I suspect as you are asking this question you are probably close to making your exit, good luck Flowers.

kaitlinktm · 21/02/2017 11:03

I am intrigued about what the book is too - would it give too much away to tell us?

dreamreckless · 21/02/2017 13:10

A bit, to be honest, as he knows I've got it. Anyway it's not a well known one or anything and is a bit naff.

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AnyFucker · 21/02/2017 14:36

He is a psychopath and is going to hurt someone one day

Is he into extreme porn/snuff movies ? Likes to hurt animals ?

My advice is to escape from him. And if there is anything that you could report him to the police for, do that

You are not going to do anything though, are you

dreamreckless · 21/02/2017 14:40

He certainly overdoes the whole pornography thing but has never to my knowledge hurt animals. I would be shocked and disgusted if he did.

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WTAF2016 · 21/02/2017 14:42

Are you not shocked and disgusted about him intimidating people and getting obvious pleasure from it?

dreamreckless · 21/02/2017 14:44

Yes, but maybe I've become a bit immune to it, I don't know.

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WTAF2016 · 21/02/2017 14:47

You sound like you are in a total emotional fog. Do you have anyone you can talk to in real life? AnyFucker is right - he will likely hurt someone one day, based on everything you have said

dreamreckless · 21/02/2017 14:50

I'm scared, a lot of the time, in fact I'd say most of the time to be honest. Well maybe unsettled is a better way of putting it.

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