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Please tell me if I'm expecting too much

107 replies

honestanswersplease · 20/02/2017 05:32

DP is lovely in many many ways. We are happy together most of the time. He spends most of his time at my house and we've been considering moving in together.

But, he doesn't communicate all that well, and if he's not happy about something he will get into a mood and (as I see it) take it out on me.

Last night out of nowhere as we were going to bed he got pissed off about something which seemed pretty trivial, along the lines of someone else in the household being inconsiderate. No big deal, I thought. I said I'd have a word (it's my house, so for me to sort out) but he didn't snap out of it right away and started giving me the cold shoulder.

We ended up with me in tears. He says I'm oversensitive. He says that it's normal for people to get stressed out and rant about things which are outside their control. I said that it's not outside his control, as if something is a problem and he tells me we can do something about it.

He wouldn't respond to that or talk about things at all. If I try to talk he gets defensive and says I just talk at him. He won't say how he feels. He says that I've got no reason to be upset. He will say tomorrow that it's not his fault at all. That it's entirely my fault because it's my reaction to him that is the problem rather than anything he's done.

I've been lying awake for hours in a separate bed trying to decide what to do. I can see his point of view, in that if I'd just paid no attention to his moaning he probably would have got over it in the end and there wouldn't have been an argument. But why should I lie in bed in silence while I wait for him to snap out of it?!

So what I wanted to ask was, am I expecting too much of him? Am I being unfair by basically expecting him to be perfect, as i'm getting upset every time he is in a mood about something? He's so lovely most of the time, which I think is why I find it so upsetting, as he's like a different person when this happens.

Do other peoples partners / husbands do this? I need to decide whether I can live with this and find ways to cope with it, or whether it's time to walk away, and I honestly don't know whether I'm expecting too much of him. We have a good relationship most of the time and he is a kind loving partner, and he puts up with my faults, so maybe I'm being intolerant of his? I could really do with some outside perspective before our alarms go off and I have to face him

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LesisMiserable · 20/02/2017 09:53

My ex did this to me. Blanked me for days sometimes in my on home. His favourite phrase was "I'm normal, I only ever react to you". Weak communicators do this. I know some will say he was abusive, he wasnt he just had a weak character, thats how I view him. Weak and now I look back, beneath me. I put him out of my home when he did it once too often.

Cricrichan · 20/02/2017 10:03

He's an arse and if you were to continue with him you'd end up walking on eggshells to avoid his 'venting' and moods. The fact that it's about something like that, that your said you'd have a word with your housemate about (so his problem would be solved) yet he carried on ranting about it is very worrying. Imagine the future with him, venting at you for all sorts of things outside of your control.

Cuppaoftea · 20/02/2017 10:10

'Pathetic whimpering'? Not the words of a nice guy.

He's shown you a glimpse of what to expect. Treading on eggshells in your own home is no life for you or your children.

honestanswersplease · 20/02/2017 11:00

He's just texted saying he's sorry.

He's not abusive. He's really not, I'm very sure of it.

Les has it exactly, he is a weak communicator. I can run rings round him in any argument, so he just shuts me down.

I don't know what I'm going to do.

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honestanswersplease · 20/02/2017 11:05

I won't tread on eggshells in my own home.

It's down to him. If all he's got to say for himself is sorry he can fuck off. If he has anything else to say I'll listen to it.

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xStefx · 20/02/2017 11:15

Last night when I started to cry he told me that he didn't want to hear my pathetic whimpering - Wow OP, this isn't a nice guy at all.

Also: He hasn't even moved in yet and he is commenting on a lodger/ Adult child (not sure who the person is) and not only trying to control you OP, but them.

OP, can you also realise controlling people always come across as a "nice guy/ girl" of course they do at first. I would say huge red flag and glad he has shown you this side before he moved in.

gamerchick · 20/02/2017 11:15

It's not the first time we've had this sort of argument so he will probably be sending me messages later today / tomorrow thinking we can sort things out

Don't allow this to become your normal. It's tiresum and will suck the joy out of anything because it'll become his default go to when he's pissed off. It'll just end up making you feel insecure eventually.

SallyInSweden · 20/02/2017 11:30

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onepidgeyless · 20/02/2017 12:04

That it's entirely my fault because it's my reaction to him that is the problem rather than anything he's done.

Isn't his reaction to what someone else has done that's the problem? I think it's a big red flag personally

ChuckSnowballs · 20/02/2017 12:15

He's not abusive. He's really not, I'm very sure of it.

None of them are. Until they are. That's the point of the red flags.

He has seen that the training and walking out didn't have you begging him to come back. He is sorry that method didn't work. So he will worm his way back in and find another way.

Pathetic wimpering. What a nice guy, so caring...

Stormtreader · 20/02/2017 12:22

Hes sorry. Well great, youre sorry too im sure.
Doesnt really change the fact that a future with someone who calls your genuine tears "pathetic whimpering" doesnt look very supportive and cosy, does it?
If you do consider staying together/getting back together then I definitely wouldnt until the underlying issues of "no emotional support" and "using you as a mute sounding board for every little thing in his life that isnt perfect" have been addressed because these are things that will only get more entrenched as time goes on.

LesisMiserable · 20/02/2017 12:23

Not every person who is shit at relationships is abusive - they are just not. I personally thinks it's fired off very cheaply on MN and actually I think it undermines women to some degree to, to suggest they are unknowlingly abuse victims. Yes, some absolutely are. But a lot very much arent - they are just in a relationship with a man who might be a brilliant person in other ways but who just isnt performing too well in certain areas of a relationship - 9 times out of 10 communication. If someone is posessive, controlling or obviously physically or mentally hurting you, yes of course they are abusing you. If they are absolutely crap at having an adult relationship without running away from intimacy and all that it brings - theyre not an abuser theyre just not your dream man and never will be. Women are savvy and usually massively empathetic (apart from the female sociopaths out there, of which there are plenty) so they naturally seek to solve and assist and UNDERSTAND first before writing someone off. They're not being abused and they will eventually wake up to the fact that their patience is getting them nowhere and shed the dead weight. That's the difference between abuse and a unworkable relationship - because there is a distinction to be made.

TimidLividyetagain · 20/02/2017 12:27

Was it a housemate or your child who was cooking.if it was your child he's being very unreasonable

honestanswersplease · 20/02/2017 13:09

Les that's it exactly. Spot on.

He says it was a trivial issue which I blew out of all proportion. He believes that he's done nothing wrong. He says in future he'll stick to people who don't take things to heart.

I've tried to explain my point of view but it's like talking to a brick wall.

Fucking hell i'm so disappointed in him. And my kids are going to be so upset, they really love him.

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xStefx · 20/02/2017 13:17

I would have been ok with his little strop if it wasn't for the "pathetic whimpering " comment. That alone swung it for me. I would be more annoyed at that than the strop really,... that's just me though

LesisMiserable · 20/02/2017 13:26

I wish I could say he would wake up and realise it's something he needs to look at OP but as I said upthread, from my own personal experience, this stuff is deeply ingrained. Dare I say it, they just do not have the intellectual capacity to discuss things rationally without feeling compromised so they just avoid it all together and go into passive aggressive mode, which solves literally nothing, ever. My exdp used to go up and sleep in the attic bedroom at times like this, sometimes for two or three days - whilst completely blanking me. Then he would come back as if nothing had happened. The very last time he made a move to go up those stairs to ignore me as if I was invisible for a few days I told him to get out. It was my house and I woke up to the fact it was no longer a home because I was on edge with fear at being frozen out in the very place I was supposed to feel the most secure, safe and cosseted. He wasn't abusive, he was painfully inadequate at adult relations and unwilling or unable to try and evolve at that and as such I suddenly realised, that was just not good enough.

Happyinthehills · 20/02/2017 13:43

So he doesn't plan on improving his behaviour and has packed and left?
Does he think saying sorry means you will invite him back?
Please don't - accepting him back means accepting his shitty behaviour.

sunshinesupermum · 20/02/2017 13:54

Pathetic wimpering my arse! You do not need him. Flowers

Cuppaoftea · 20/02/2017 14:41

Op telling you he didn't want to hear your pathetic whimpering was downright nasty. Imagine him saying that about or to one of your kids.

'He says in future he'll stick to people who don't take things to heart.'

He means people he can control and will appease him.

At least hold off on moving him in to your home for a good while.

ChuckSnowballs · 20/02/2017 17:58

Last night out of nowhere as we were going to bed he got pissed off about something which seemed pretty trivial, along the lines of someone else in the household being inconsiderate. No big deal, I thought. I said I'd have a word (it's my house, so for me to sort out) but he didn't snap out of it right away and started giving me the cold shoulder.

He says it was a trivial issue which I blew out of all proportion. He believes that he's done nothing wrong.

So yesterday you didn't blow anything out of proporation, but today you did. He is the one that got pissed off and started giving you the cold shoulder.

Pretending that things happened one way when they happened another is another red flag by the way.

NotTheFordType · 20/02/2017 18:09

Fucking hell OP, you're well rid of this joker.

"Pathetic whimpering" indeed. If I was him I'd be counting my blessings that I hadn't been shown the door in the middle of the night naked, followed by a shower of my clothes from the window

I am sure this isn't what you want to teach your DC about relationships. Someone can be as nice as pie for 90% of the time, it doesn't mean you have to put up with abuse the other 10%. You wouldn't eat a sandwich that was 10% faeces, would you?

kittybiscuits · 20/02/2017 18:50

He said sorry = he knows he went further than he can get away with.

honestanswersplease · 20/02/2017 19:08

Thanks again all of you. I just feel so very sad.

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hearyoume · 20/02/2017 19:21

Do other peoples partners / husbands do this?

No, never. DH isn't perfect but he's a grown up. Moods are for teenagers.

when I started to cry he told me that he didn't want to hear my pathetic whimpering

What the actual fuck?! That is so nasty. No no no, DH has never spoken to me like that in the 10 years we've been together. We argue but no one gets nasty. Get rid.

Moanyoldcow · 20/02/2017 20:22

A 'lovely' man says your obvious emotional distress is 'pathetic whimpering'?

He is NOT a nice man. Stop making bloody excuses for him.

How would you feel if he said that one of your kids? Outraged I should imagine. You are well rid.

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