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Advice please. Husband driving me insane with constant moaning about his health.

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user1484750550 · 02/02/2017 19:05

My husband is driving me crackers (and has been for a while, several years actually.) As much as I love him, he never stops moaning about his health. Every other week, he complains about a new ailment, and not a week goes by when he isn’t whining about something or other that is (supposedly) causing him pain.

This past fortnight, it’s his shoulder; he thinks it’s ‘fallen out of its socket,’ and he complains continually, wincing and griping every time he moves. It's so annoying!!! He got me to get a sling for him to wear at work (office job,) so he isn’t forced to do anything that ‘might make it worse.’ The other week it was his knees ‘killing him,’ then before that it was his eyes that ‘weren’t right.’ (He said he kept getting things flashing past his eyes, and he wants to go for a test at specsavers - even though he went to Boots opticians and got some new glasses in November, and his eyes were 100% fine then.)

Before that it was his hand that felt swollen and sore and tender; ‘I think I may have arthritis’ he said. Then before that it was his elbow and wrist that were ‘giving him grief.’ He says to me 'feel that, isn't that swollen?' and 'feel that, doesn't that feel cracky and weird?' It never does...

Before that, it was a migraine making him nauseous and blurring his vision, before that it was his ear fuzzing and popping and he said he thinks he’s losing his hearing, before that it was his stomach killing him, and he thought he may have stomach cancer, before that it was his heart ‘beating funny.’ He claimed ‘my heart is just not right: I don’t think I’m long for this world…’

He has had test after test after test at the doctors and the hospital this past 2 years; ECG tests for his heart found nothing, x rays on his shoulders, hands, elbows, hips, etc found nothing, blood tests found nothing, urine tests found nothing, barium meal found nothing, pipes shoved down his throat found nothing, tests on his eyes and ears found nothing...

He has had test after test after test on every part of his body. Nothing! He just claims they are all 'wrong.' and keeps going back again and again to the doctors, and says he will keep doing so until they discover something. I almost think he WANTS them to find something - but I have no idea why! Maybe so he can go on the sick and give up work! He seems DESPERATE for them to find something. Even our daughter said she thinks he would be over the moon if they said he had cancer or something!

They have tested for half a dozen different things, and he has had painkiller after painkiller, anti inflammatories, anti biotics, all sorts. ‘I think I may have fibromyalgia’ he said a while back; I am in such pain all the time.' They tested for this too. Negative. Again. He now has the strongest possible painkillers, and claims they don’t work at all. I have these painkillers and they work a treat. The doctor can give him nothing stronger.

He claimed he was depressed about 7 years back and had anti depressants every month for about 2 or 3 years. We had been receiving free prescriptions for a few years (maybe 5 or 6,) because of low income, then 3 years ago, our income exceeded the amount where you get free prescriptions, and when we had to start paying, he instantly came off the anti Depressants. ‘I’m not paying £8 every month!’ he said … Suggesting to me that he didn’t need them.

He doesn’t have much time off work, but he is always buying aids for this and that (like slings, walking sticks, arm and knee supports,) and getting prescriptions at £8-9 a time, (he seems OK with paying now!) So it’s starting to eat into our budget now.

And NOW he says he wants a full body MRI scan and is going to go private to ‘find out what’s wrong with me.......!’ This can cost 4 figures. We don’t have loads of money, we only just get by, and we never have more than £500 in savings, so he said he will put it on his credit card (which will max it out!)

I am furious about this, I am fed up of his moaning, and I want to draw the line here. No WAY is this happening. It’s HIS credit card but it’s OUR bank account and joint finances that will suffer because of this, as he will pay the instalments back out of OUR money.

I want to scream at him ‘FOR GOODNESS SAKE! there is NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU!’ Get a grip! You have had test after test after test and nothing has ever come up!' But I don’t want a row, and I don't want to make him feel bad. Maybe he does feel ill sometimes, (maybe!) but there is definitely nothing wrong with him.

I said ‘what if this MRI scan finds nothing wrong?’ (which is what will happen!) he said ‘I will ask them to redo it because there IS something wrong with me.' (There isn’t!) We are both in our 50's and he has always been a moaner, but it’s only been about his health for about 6-7 years, moreso the last 3 or so!

WWYD? I am at the end of my rope. Some days I feel torn between leaving him or killing him!

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TroysMammy · 02/02/2017 20:26

He's a malingerer but it does sounds like health anxiety. I heard of someone who used to ring the Doctor's on a daily basis for reassurance.

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BlueNeighbourhood · 02/02/2017 20:27

The first thing I thought too was munchausens syndrome. I also thought too he wants the 'attention' that a sick person gets, asking you to feel certain areas and getting all these things for support and stuff.

It does sound like something MH related but it shouldn't be you telling him this, it needs to be a doctor and that may put an end to it once and for all. It sounds so tedious and tiring.

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mumofthemonsters808 · 02/02/2017 20:33

Sorry OP but me and DH are crying with laughter, because I could of wrote your post.You describe my DH to a tee but without the Doctor visits, he just complains but does nothing about it. I just switch off from the constant moaning, I'm able to reply without even listening properly. I feel your pain.

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MatildaTheCat · 02/02/2017 20:40

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Liara · 02/02/2017 20:49

My granny was like this. She had Munchausen syndrome. She actually got an eye taken out as she was convinced it had something or other and in fact it turned out on being sent to a biopsy that it was perfectly healthy (this was a while ago, diagnostic tools were not as they now are)

Ironically she died very young, of something she never saw coming.

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BumDNC · 02/02/2017 20:54

I have health anxiety. I find it hard to rationalise to myself about things and calm down, I do know I offload too much sometimes but I am self aware and know and say that 'I'm having anxiety about this please can I have support' instead of just trying to find a new thing, also having a new thing wrong with me is NOT what I want, because the anxiety is awful. I can't sleep at all when it's bad, I shake and can't eat. I am very upfront that I am suffering anxiety and the health condition and that they are related. Therefore I'm not convinced that this sounds like an anxiety if he is just preoccupied with his health without any anxiety symptoms - I have the same anxiety symptoms that I would have if I had to fly on a plane (am terrified) iyswim. This is almost like an obsessive thought that I think he needs to address, like OCD (it's not all about cleaning) where he is convinced everyone is wrong (paranoid). With my anxiety I have had CBT to manage techniques also I am massively reassured with tests and advice from doctors.

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itsbetterthanabox · 02/02/2017 21:13

Anxiety and depression are different so the meds may have not helped with the anxiety.
A lot of people with mental health conditions refuse meds because when you are mentally ill your worries feel rational and like they need to worry and check because that's what protects them.
He needs CBT for health anxiety and possibly OCD. Plus a medication that suits him possibly. It's having a profound affect on his life and he needs mental health help,

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itsbetterthanabox · 02/02/2017 21:15

The testing and doctors advising him is fuelling the anxiety.
Reassurance is short term and he'll need more and more.

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NotLadyPrickshit · 02/02/2017 21:16

I'd have murdered the bastard in his sleep by now or at the very least told him to piss off with his whinging & moaning.

If I was in the mood for being a right cow every time he started on about his most recent aches & pains I'd start going on about the massive pain in my arse...

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blueirishues · 02/02/2017 21:21

O god my brother is like this.

I'm pretty sure it is munchausens or something, he's had numerous operations and the like. Goes to the gym and spends the next day whining. 'I overdiiiiid it at the jiiiiiiim.'

Sorry op. I hear you. I hear you!!

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BlueNeighbourhood · 02/02/2017 21:33

Surely there's a difference between OP's Husbands behaviour and anxiety. Like people said he wouldn't be able to function because he'd be so worked up about illnesses. If someone had health anxiety I don't think they'd be as vocal about everything, and would more spend their time worrying than imagining fake pains? I'm happy to stand corrected though.

To me I think it's Munchausens, it has to be. He wants the whole world to know how sick he is and is making up different complaints when the last one goes a bit stale. It's the doctors pandering to him and giving him more and more tests when he doesn't need them - I once saw a programme where a mother sent her daughter to be tested for cancer so much she ended up with it because of the radiation. Otherwise the poor girl was fit and healthy. Munchausens by proxy. Awful thing.

Doctors need to stop pandering to him, I would give him a sarcastic response with every complaint and refuse the MRI.

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WannaBe · 02/02/2017 21:36

I honestly would refuse to pander to it, and if it started affecting the finances I would seriously consider the relationship. I actually do know someone whose marriage ended because of a similar thing - his wife had to have something wrong with her at all times and was constantly at the GP/hospital.

And my nan was a bit like this as well, and she had a book she used to refer to, she used to ring my mum and say "I've been reading my book...". Grin all I can say is, thank God she never had the internet.

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BumDNC · 02/02/2017 21:53

I think munchausens is so hard to really diagnose, this would be seen more like possibly a delusion or an obsession.

There is a difference and the difference is that usually with munchausens type issues, it's very clever and calculated and completely engulfs the people around you, spinning very elaborate stories and the more attention it gets, the deeper the 'health condition' gets. I've had experience of someone (via work) who was suspected of this and it by far was not moaning or complaining, it was complex and clever and solely for attention. They would avoid investigations that didn't suit them and try to manipulate reports/tests and research and investigate. Basically it's no longer called munchausens it is called Fabricated Illness.

In the case of your DH, it's almost like a delusion that cannot be allayed, a fixed belief that can never be satisfied

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esk1mo · 02/02/2017 22:02

it does sound like muchausens.

just to clarify ADs are often given to help with varies forms of mental health conditions (eg GAD, panic disorder, anxiety and OCD) not just depression. Anxiolytics help with physical symptoms but often ADs are given aswell. Sertraline for example has been shown to help with OCD.

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Mermaidinthesea · 02/02/2017 22:03

Attention seeking, hypochondriac by the sounds of it, would probably be better spending the money on counselling. I have widespread arthritis that causes me pain everyday but I still work full time and never complain - nobody wants to hear all that stuff. You'd just end up with no friends.
I remember we had a hypochondriac woman aged about 40 constantly coming into the ward where I worked back in the 80's (in the days when you could get admitted onto the same medical ward from A&E not like now) usually on a day when we were insanely busy and then ringing the bell all day complaining that she was going to die while we ran about trying to keep real sick people alive.
Well one day she had cried wolf just once too often and we all ignored her and let the bell ring behind her closed curtains, we had all had enough and were run ragged.
Someone went in an hour later and she was stiff and dead.
I think that was probably her finest hour. All the other patients thought we were uncaring devils.

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BumDNC · 02/02/2017 22:08

I honestly think some people become quite isolated socially and have little other topics of conversation or things to occupy their minds, so these things run riot and become out of control. I honestly don't think it sounds like fabricated illness because he believes it, it doesn't seem to make him anxious but it's clearly on his mind constantly. He can't really be happy living like that truely

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Lorelei76 · 02/02/2017 22:09

Blue Neighbourhood, but your brother had some operations? It sounds like op DH hasn't had anything come up that necessitates any treatment?

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Sallystyle · 02/02/2017 22:17

I have health anxiety and I can totally relate to your husband.

My heart currently feels funny as well.

It's awful. I don't want attention, I am genuinely scared for my life pretty much all of the time and meds and CBT help, but so far neither have stopped me from having it. However, I do not ask for tests from the GP, I wait until they tell me I need them and I'm much better at not rushing to the GP unless my husband tells me that I have a legitimate concern. It is easy for him to tell what is anxiety and what isn't by the way I speak about it.

Yeah, it's annoys him but he has a MH illness as well so we put up with each other quite well :)

This thread is a little bit upsetting, not so much your posts OP but some of the replies. It's a real MH illness and we don't want this fear, it's fucking awful to be us. I also know too well how difficult it is for spouses to live with it. Both get my sympathy. I have found that I get less understanding and sympathy for having health anxiety. It's like people think we are attention seeking idiots. We are just petrified.

He needs to see someone and get some CBT.

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BlueNeighbourhood · 02/02/2017 22:17

Lori Lea....I haven't mentioned my brother at all?? I'm not sure where that has came from! Nobody in my family has anything close to this.

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tobedo · 02/02/2017 22:20

He sounds even worse than my DH. I can't even be bothered to go into detail but If I actually get ill the competition to regain his position as the illest is something to behold.

When he's on the phone to his SIL, who has cancer, he will spend 1/2 hour telling her every detail of his latest hospital appointment. I cringe.

You have my total sympathy OP. Flowers

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Sallystyle · 02/02/2017 22:23

Surely there's a difference between OP's Husbands behaviour and anxiety. Like people said he wouldn't be able to function because he'd be so worked up about illnesses. If someone had health anxiety I don't think they'd be as vocal about everything, and would more spend their time worrying than imagining fake pains? I'm happy to stand corrected though.

I function. I hold down a job in health care as well. I have had periods when I could barely function but that hasn't happened in a long long time. I do imagine fake pains, because anxiety brings on a lot of symptoms and a lot of my symptoms are psychosomatic apparently. If you didn't know me well you might think I'm preoccupied with my health, but you wouldn't see the extent of the fear.

Obviously no one here can diagnose OP's husband but his symptoms fit.

People with Munchausen's syndrome pretend to be ill and pretend to have symptoms. People with HA believe it at the time and are genuinely scared.

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TheCakes · 02/02/2017 22:25

I got to the point of thinking I was making it all up before I was diagnosed with EDS. Loads of musculoskeletal issues, with digestive and anxiety issues to boot.
Is he hypermobile? Check him using the Beighton Score test.
Failing that, wtas about health anxiety.

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BlueNeighbourhood · 02/02/2017 22:26

You know, I don't even know your husband but it's kind of infuriating....he must be so so good at making up symptoms to be able to get all these tests and x-rays on an already severely depleted NHS.

I hurt my shoulder (genuinely) three years ago playing badminton and I was given an X-Ray and told there was nothing to worry about. Every time I've played since I can feel my shoulder, and I've been to the GP countless times until it was unbearable. Nobody would test me or X-Ray again or even give me painkillers, until I literally couldn't move it a few weeks ago. Turns out I'd had a tear all along in a muscle and it was in bits.

So to read your story about how he's given tests, appointments, painkillers is so infuriating as there is genuine people who I guess don't play on their symptoms so much being denied these things on the NHS because of people like your husband. I'm surprised this hasn't been pointed out to him before.

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Sallystyle · 02/02/2017 22:29

BTW even though I relate to your husband I would be telling him he needs to get help for his mental health issues if he wants to remain married to you.

My husband has a severe MH illness but we are both compliant in going for our treatment and we work on it every single day. I don't give up trying to get better and neither of us would be happy if the other just didn't bother getting ongoing help.

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Sallystyle · 02/02/2017 22:33

So to read your story about how he's given tests, appointments, painkillers is so infuriating as there is genuine people who I guess don't play on their symptoms so much being denied these things on the NHS because of people like your husband. I'm surprised this hasn't been pointed out to him before.

It's more infuriating that a GP already hasn't suspected a MH problem and referred him for that. Working for the NHS myself I am too aware of waisting resources, so I don't and just have to put up with the fear and uncertainty.

A decent GP should be able to spot a potential MH problem like HA. Sending him for testing is keeping the cycle going, as well as waisting resources.

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