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DD's diary - "I miss my HOY's attention" what???

151 replies

Clipstroo · 12/01/2017 01:01

Hi, DD is 16 and left her diary out. It's not like I went sneaking around for it.

One sentence that really stood out was "I miss my HOY's attention" and HOY means Head Of Year. She was very close to her Head Of Year, due to there being some behavioural issues/self-harm and she was always very patient. But I do provide DD with lots of attention, I'm here for her. I'd do anything for her. I don't see how she can miss the attention from her - what does that even mean? Confused DD has now left school and is doing an apprenticeship which has less emotional support so I get that, but I'm here for her and emotional support isn't exactly 'attention'.

OP posts:
Clipstroo · 12/01/2017 01:33

I don't get what attention she missed though. If she misses it, it has to be gone and I can't be giving her this 'correct attention'.

OP posts:
TheThingsWeAdmitOnMN · 12/01/2017 01:34

God, you sound just like my mother. Not everything is about YOU. Her feelings about her HOY, or anyone else are HERS. You are NOT the only person in her life and how she feels about others is NO reflection on you and none of your bloody business. FGS.

Just because her diary was out, doesn't give you permission to read it. Nothing good comes of bad. You read it, you saw stuff you didn't like - that's your own doing.

Respect her privacy.

corythatwas · 12/01/2017 01:34

To rephrase Maudlin's post "Healthy people do not choose to hurt themselves for attention". If a child does this, then there is an underlying problem, which would probably have surfaced in some different way under different circumstances.

One of dd's suicide attempts was ostensibly about a boy. She now openly acknowledges that that was just the surface reason: the underlying reason was one of MH issues. If the boy had never been born, her anxiety would have found something else to latch onto.

Ehlana · 12/01/2017 01:37

*Maudlinmaud
*
I self-harmed as a teen, and the very LAST thing I wanted way anyone's attention.

corythatwas · 12/01/2017 01:38

Clipstroo Thu 12-Jan-17 01:33:25
"I don't get what attention she missed though. If she misses it, it has to be gone and I can't be giving her this 'correct attention'."

Seriously??? Have you got to be the person that gives her absolutely everything she needs in this world? How will you cope when she becomes an adult? Or even when she gets her first serious boyfriend?

When ds told me, well over a year afterwards, that he had been suffering from bad flashbacks after a trauma and finally talked to a friend who had given him good advice, I did not feel he was behaving badly by not getting the "correct" attention from me: I was bloody grateful that there had been someone there who was right to talk to him at that particular time.

Maudlinmaud · 12/01/2017 01:39

Yes Ehlana and Cory that is what I meant.

Lorelei76 · 12/01/2017 01:43

.??

I still remember a teacher giving me random advice at 16 and it was right, it was brilliant, I was grateful. Maybe she feels this lady was a friend, a mentor - anything. Many times someone who seems only to have a tiny role in your world turns out to be a really valuable connection.

But stop reading her diary and thinking it's got anything to do with you.

TrippyMcTrapFace · 12/01/2017 01:46

Reading her diary is an invasion of her privacy.
My mum read my diary when I was 17. I found out and our relationship was damaged for years as a result.

Atenco · 12/01/2017 01:53

I think you need some support in this situation with your dd. Can you access therapy?

You definitely have a misunderstanding about what your relationship with your nearly adult dd should be.

scottishdiem · 12/01/2017 01:57

Putting aside the diary for a second.

You might never be able to give that attention as its a different relationship and a different dynamic. It may be as simple as someone different saying hello, asking how she is and asking about her work. Or coming up and said saying that a teacher had mentioned something and they were checking in. Its a non-replicable attention that is not superior to what you do but just different. If you werent there then the diary would be about missing you.

Let it go, do the mother thing as best you can, make yourself available when needed and don't try to be something you are not.

(and dont read the diary again. Seriously.)

PenelopeFlintstone · 12/01/2017 02:02

So, what about 12 year olds? 14 year olds? Is it wrong to read their diaries too? What's the difference between that and everyone insisting we have our children's device passwords so we can check up on them? Genuinely puzzled.

MrsBlennerhassett · 12/01/2017 02:12

penelope the difference is that a diary is a place that is supposed to be private where a child can work through their own thoughts and feelings without judgement or censorship. No no one should be reading their childs diary regardless of the age of the child.
The internet is very different because its not a private safe space its access to information and to other people.

7SunshineSeven7 · 12/01/2017 02:18

Earlier today, I served as the “young woman’s voice” in a panel of local experts at a Girl Scouts speaking event. One question for the panel was something to the effect of, “Should parents read their daughter’s texts or monitor her online activity for bad language and inappropriate content?”

I was surprised when the first panelist answered the question as if it were about cyberbullying. The adult audience nodded sagely as she spoke about the importance of protecting children online.

I reached for the microphone next. I said, “As far as reading your child’s texts or logging into their social media profiles, I would say 99.9% of the time, do not do that.”

Looks of total shock answered me. I actually saw heads jerk back in surprise. Even some of my fellow panelists blinked.

Everyone stared as I explained that going behind a child’s back in such a way severs the bond of trust with the parent. When I said, “This is the most effective way to ensure that your child never tells you anything,” it was like I’d delivered a revelation.

It’s easy to talk about the disconnect between the old and the young, but I don’t think I’d ever been so slapped in the face by the reality of it. It was clear that for most of the parents I spoke to, the idea of such actions as a violation had never occurred to them at all.

It alarms me how quickly adults forget that children are people.
daeranilen
Apparently people are rediscovering this post somehow and I think that’s pretty cool! Having experienced similar violations of trust in my youth, this is an important issue to me, so I want to add my personal story:

Around age 13, I tried to express to my mother that I thought I might have clinical depression, and she snapped at me “not to joke about things like that.” I stopped telling my mother when I felt depressed.

Around age 15, I caught my mother reading my diary. She confessed that any time she saw me write in my diary, she would sneak into my room and read it, because I only wrote when I was upset. I stopped keeping a diary.

Around age 18, I had an emotional breakdown while on vacation because I didn’t want to go to college. I ended up seeing a therapist for - surprise surprise - depression.

Around age 21, I spoke on this panel with my mother in the audience, and afterwards I mentioned the diary incident to her with respect to this particular Q&A. Her eyes welled up, and she said, “You know I read those because I was worried you were depressed and going to hurt yourself, right?”

TL;DR: When you invade your child’s privacy, you communicate three things:

You do not respect their rights as an individual.
You do not trust them to navigate problems or seek help on their own.
You probably haven’t been listening to them.
Information about almost every issue that you think you have to snoop for can probably be obtained by communicating with and listening to your child.

7SunshineSeven7 · 12/01/2017 02:19

Also in addition to what MrsBlenner said:

you have taken away one of your child’s coping mechanisms. if your parents read your journal, you’re never writing in it again. if your parents monitor your conversations with friends, you won’t tell them when you’re depressed anymore. if you have a therapist that reports what you say to your parents, you won’t tell that therapist anything. now all those methods of venting, feeling better, self-soothing, sorting out your issues, and feeling safe are gone.

“i want information” is not synonymous with “i want my child to talk to me.” those are two separate goals, but i think parents conflate them – i want my child to talk to me, but since they won’t, i’m stealing information from them. no. you didn’t ever want them to talk to you. you wanted information. if you wanted them to talk to you, if that was your entire end goal, you would have approached things completely differently. stealing information from a child ensures they will never talk to you again. but if all you want is information, then you can take it however you want and call it a parenting success.

if what you wanted was a child who talks to you, you would apply the same principles you do to literally any other human interaction in your life, and cultivate a relationship and trust.

bloodyteenagers · 12/01/2017 02:21

One is about a persons private thoughts and feelings. Someplace safe where they can write these things. Well supposed to be safe. Where you can write about how much your parents pissed you off that day. Your younger sibling annoyed the shit
Out of you. The crush and the heartbreaks.

Passwords and online stuff. A diary cannot exploit you. A diary cannot convince
You within 10 minutes to send nude images
Of yourself. A diary cannot bully you. You cannot bully others with a diary.

The net is a massive space and we know as adults not everyone is who they claim to be. Minors are trusting and believe the best in people. We pick up on language quicker than them.

7SunshineSeven7 · 12/01/2017 02:24

Should say as it didn't add on - the story in the first message isn't mine but I feel it applies in the situation and the whole invasion of privacy thing.

SandySquirrel01 · 12/01/2017 02:31

I can't say anything more that what has already been said but what type of activities do you two do together? Perhaps set up a girls day out or a night in, just the two of you. I know when I was SHing, I would have loved something like that to take my mind off things for a small moment in time.

I think maybe (I don't know how this would play out) perhaps own up to your mistake? She may be angry for some time but would probably appreciate the honesty. Or if you can't do that, maybe buy a diary with a lock on for her, that way only she will have access to the diary in future?

Definitely do not read her diary again, think how it would make you feel. Also, perhaps the HOY was the person she felt more comfortable talking to, not that she feels uncomfortable talking to you, but most times with depression, self harm and suicidal thoughts, you feel like a burden to your family and friends and you also don't want them feeling worried, upset or uncomfortable.
Good luck x

UnexplainedOnHerCollar · 12/01/2017 02:55

When I was a teenager having a horrendous time I confided in my head of year. It wasn't even for that long but I still remember her support and am grateful to her 30 years on... because she listened and didn't make it all about her, like my mum would have done. She respected me.

You don't read someone's diary. It's not even remotely like the Internet because there aren't the same issues of dangerous content or behaviour by others. It's just their private thoughts. And you certainly don't read it and then wail that it just happened, it wasn't your fault because she left it lying around. You chose to read it and I think you should take responsibility for that and use it as a chance to change and resolve to respect her boundaries.

Normandy · 12/01/2017 03:17

OP -- I'm horrified at your decision and subsequent justification for reading your daughters diary. Also, as another poster pointed out, your responses seem to be all about you.

If my mother had invaded my privacy like you have, she would be at arms length forever. Trust is difficult to rebuild.

BantyCustards · 12/01/2017 08:19

Same excuse my mum presented to me when she read mine: you shouldn't have left it lying around.

I never used a diary again - my one coping mechanism gone.

BantyCustards · 12/01/2017 08:24

And PPs are right - not only have you violated your daughter's privacy, you've then made it all about you: how you feel.

A suggestion: perhaps your daughter doesn't come to you because in the past you've made it all about you.

You need to be honest with yourself here.

Whosthemummynow · 12/01/2017 08:28

My mum used to read my diary. I still fucking hate her for it now

pandarific · 12/01/2017 08:32

Most people self harm to calm themselves down when it feels like their mind/heart is about to explode.

MrsJayy · 12/01/2017 08:36

I get why you read it she has MH problems she is 16 and you wanted to check she was ok. Missing her support network from school is ok you don't have to take it personally she latched on to the hoy and took emotional support, teenagers are complex they are spreading their wings outside of parents this is normal, her private diary is her thoughts and feelings dont tell her you read it dont bring what she said up.

MrsJayy · 12/01/2017 08:39

Oh and i agree with Pps it is not about you she is allowed to find support and attention from other adults she is in contact with.

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