Warning about posting in the Relationships Topic on Mumsnet

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Don't do it if you don't want your personal stories lifted and splashed all over the Mail Online.

The DM used to restrict themselves to copying and pasting mainly made up (Penis Beaker), lighthearted or neutral threads.

But now they are quite happy to publish deeply personal and very identifying threads too from people posting at crisis point.

I do actually foresee Mumsnet's inability to prevent this being the end of the website tbh. Or MN as we know and love it, anyway.

I know we've had a zillion threads about this already, but I just want to remind people again:

Don't post on Mumsnet if you don't want your thread to be reproduced in the Mail Online.

How is it different? Are they any less public? Are they any more hidden?
If they are "incredibly sensitive" then people need to be MORE anonymous, or not post, not just post anyway and then complain about it!

Yes I do "get it" userwhatevernumber you are. And I believe that the vast majority of Mumsnetters get it too. However, Mumsnet has been around for 15 or 16 years and the Mail has only been copying and pasting threads from here onto their site with any regularity for the past 6-9 months. So people are going to take a while to properly catch on to the extent to which it happens. And, as I took great care to say in my first post, this thread is specifically about very sensitive threads from Relationships being exposed to a wider audience. Like it or not, people choose to post on Mumsnet for support. Isn't that HQ's mantra? But they do not actively choose to post on the Mail Online or The Sun or wherever. I think a reminder that any post can be copied and reposted elsewhere wouldnt be amiss on every single thread tbh. It would feel more honest.

This ^^ is why MN needs to change its strapline about making parents' lives easier, and remind posters that they are in the bear pit. Because like the pp say, it's just another piece of the public web.

I find it interesting that Netmums don't seem to suffer to the same extent with threads being lifted. I wonder if it is something to do with their intellectual property rights being protected in a different way, or if it is because it is supported by government and therefore treated with a respect we don't get given. Or maybe I just don't notice because I'm not as invested in the Netmums name.

So infact Userblahblah you agree with me - you dont think people should post about very sensitive personal stuff on Mumsnet because anyone can see it and do what they like with it. Quite. All I'm saying is that HQ should be reminding their members of this. A duty of care if you must, which they seem quite happy to provide on other issues.

All I'm saying is that HQ should be reminding their members of this

So basically you are saying that you think other users are too stupid to realise the blindingly obvious, that when they post on the open, worldwide, internet...anyone can see it. You think that MN should remind every poster on every post.

I think you are being ridiculous and rather insulting.

I find it interesting that Netmums don't seem to suffer to the same extent with threads being lifted. I wonder if it is something to do with their intellectual property rights being protected in a different way, or if it is because it is supported by government and therefore treated with a respect we don't get given

Isn't it obvious? They are simply less interesting.

Less sweary maybe, but the problems are mostly the same.

Why not remind every poster on every post? What's the harm in that?

If someone is offended by that then surely they could take their potential threads and post them elsewhere instead?

Sorry, meant to say that there is now a big sense of false security with MN - these rags have a much bigger audience and posts can be instantly recognisable. So additional warnings are now warranted.

Why not remind every poster on every post? What's the harm in that?

Why not also remind them that water is wet and hot things burn?

If they don't understand that posts are public, they shouldn't be posting at all.

Seriously User- would it REALLY be any skin off your nose if there was a warning?

Bloody Daily Heil bottomfeeders - they have no moral compass at all, do they.

Re. the "all of MN is googleable" - no it isn't, actually. There is one part of it that doesn't come up in Google or any other search engine, I'm not naming it (For bloody obvious reasons) but it's there. HOWEVER - moving threads there that have started in other sections of MN does NOT confer the same level of protection on a thread. Only threads started in that particular place are invisible to search engines.

Seriously User- would it REALLY be any skin off your nose if there was a warning?

Yes. I'm against the endless dumbing down and treating everyone as if they are morons that you are promoting.

Many people on this thread agree with me so I guess we're all ridiculous.

So why have a membership or branding or advertising geared towards parents at all? Why have Mumsnet emails, special offers, competitions, jobs, book groups, film forums etc. Mumsnet want us to feel part of a special club. They don't want to remind us that our words, even on really personal issues, are now quite likely to end up in a hugely controversial and widely despised online paper.

They aren't actually quite likely, at all. How many threads on here a day? Thousands. How many end up in the DM (which is may be despised on here but Out There is seriously popular)? A tiny fraction of a percent.

You really are talking a lot of nonsense.

So why have a membership or branding or advertising geared towards parents at all? Why have Mumsnet emails, special offers, competitions, jobs, book groups, film forums etc

And why any of that? Wake up! MONEY. You're not the buyer, you're the product. Grow up.

Meh - can't be arsed to argue with you user. Just isn't worth it.

Have you been a member of Mumsnet for a long time User? I ask because you have used the word moron in your post.

Only because you know I'm right.

only about 15 years. And so I know what you are trying with that, and you're wrong on that too.

And you do seem to be getting yourself rather amusingly het up over this! Look at you bandying insults around. I can't understand where all the anger is coming from.

I contacted HQ earlier about the NYE relationships thread and tbh the most "useful" advice they could offer was to namechange regularly.

Which is all well and good of course; but if there is something that is particularly identifiable then no number of name changes are going to make a difference- it will simply limit what can be searched for.

Don't get me wrong, it was a perfectly nice email, but it really wasn't particularly helpful.

Yes User

Afaik now, MN own everything you post. They hold the copyright, and can publish everything you write without advising you even as a courtesy that they have done so. They keep all revenue you generate for them also.

It wasn't always like this back in the olden days, and I asked them to pay me when they used something I had written in their first book. They didn't pay, instead they got legal advice and instituted the copyright terms and conditions now operating.

MN is a whore to advertising like any media. We work to fill their coffers like trick ponies.

Afaik Everything published in the mainstream media is either sold on by MN, or they give permission, with a kick back. They're all in it together. It used not be that way, but it is now.

I only post lighthearted stuff now, and MN as it was is looooong gone. They only care about their click through revenue, and generating traffic and revenue.
It's shameful and greedy of them to make a business out of people's suffering IMVHO.