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i am worried my mother has a sadistic streak

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Elasticbandaided · 27/11/2016 23:14

I had what anyone would think was a normal, happy childhood. Yet I have been diagnosed as an adult with attachment disorder, depression and phobias. I have memories of mainly emotional and (some) physical abuse which does not match any of the recollections of my parents.

One of the main things I recall from my childhood is my mother deliberately frightening me as a toddler and throughout childhood. If she knew that something frightened me, it seemed like she would cause it to happen, then shame me when I had a frightened, panic attack or anxious response to it. As I got older I used to challenge her and she would laugh - "why would I do that to you? I'm your mother." But she would do it over and over again until I had to try very hard to pretend it didn't frighten me anymore, just so she would stop doing it. I just dealt with the feelings of terror / helplessness by myself, turned them inward and dissociated.

This was very hard to understand and very confusing as a child. It's hard to believe that your own mother wants to cause you fear and emotional pain, so you and everyone else put it down to something else, or a series of accidents or crossed wires. And I have always thought that maybe I was mistaken? Or maybe I was just an overly sensitive child who needed to toughen up, or "get a grip" as my mother would say.

This has all come to a head today when I had one of those experiences where everything dawns on you at once : I watched my mother deliberately frightening my own child until she was shaking and crying and trying to run away. Neither of them could see that I was watching, but I saw the whole thing. When DD did get away, saw me and came running to me, my mother appeared and told me that my DD had got herself into the situation and that she wasn't able to stop her, despite her best efforts.

This is not true, as I watched the whole thing. My mother created it all, and was fascinated watching my dd's fear response and repeating it to get a further reaction. I confronted my mother and she told me again that I was mistaken, that she would never do anything to scare DD. My DF came later too and said I was ridiculous for accusing my DM of something like that. But I know I was not mistaken. I know what I saw with my adult eyes.

Obviously I am not going to let her be alone with my DD again. Of course my DD is my main concern here and I know what to do to protect her, but the help I'm looking to get from you is about me.

Why would my mother do this? I have no doubt she loves me and DD in her own way, so why would she do this? She was a perfectly good mother in most other respects.

What kind of effect is that likely to have had on a child (me?)

What can I do to help myself get over my phobias and anxiety now I know that this sort of behaviour was the cause and that they didn't just happen because I am not "tough enough" as a person.

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PossumInAPearTree · 28/11/2016 20:00

I honestly think in over a decade of being on MN this isn't the worst toxic parent type thread I've read.

There is no way I would remain in contact after something like this.

I'm NC with my mother, have been for years. That first step is so hard, but it's so liberating. Best decision I ever made. Your mum will pretend to be baffled, she will tell you and others that she doesn't understand, what has she done to deserve it, you are so ungrateful, etc. There will be tears.

My mum wrote me a lengthy letter saying she knows I went NC because I'm a selfish, bad person who simply can't be arsed to visit an elderly lady. She has told her friends similar bollocks....I couldn't care.

PossumInAPearTree · 28/11/2016 20:01

And please don't let her gaslight you into believing you're mistaken. She will fuck your dd up big time given the chance.

justpeachy74 · 28/11/2016 20:15

Has your DD spoken to you about the incident at all? It will help her that you believe her unlike when it happened to you.

Counselling might help you but I would definitely greatly reduce contact if you are unable to go no contact.

I'm sorry this has happened to you.

tiej · 28/11/2016 20:21

I have no doubt whatsoever that you will do what needs doing OP.

Thinkingblonde · 28/11/2016 22:32

I'd never allow her to be alone with my child, ever.

Lasthurrah · 29/11/2016 09:03

Often these kinds of sadists hide their true selves with lots of charity work. A bit of a type. I have a similarly sadistic mother, who seems to thrive on emotional pain and physical injury, and i really have no answer. It was only when i had a baby that i had the blue light moment and saw her for what she was. It is a huge thing to realise your mother is an abuser. We are so conditioned to love them, and believe in their saintly image. Dont be scared of seeking professional help.

wotoodoo · 30/11/2016 05:59

I am another mner who has no to v low contact wirh her mother. I actually wrote to her about 4 years ago expressing my vIews but of course it was ignored/denied/never addressed and to this day they truly believe I was loved and looked after well and it is all in my head/I am the problem causing my mother great uoset and anguish.

So it no longer matters what she thinks, she would never agree or admit to my version of reality and I naively believed letting her know would help make things better.

It didn't and how I've been able to move on and blossom is to accept what happened, mourn for the loss of a kind, loving mum I never had, stop self doubt/guilt by not engaging and emotionally detaching (I have buried her in my mind).

You become stronger when you no longer need validation of your version of reality. There is no need to confront by doing so she can gaslight and screw up your mind.

You know the truth. When you no longer need validation from her about the truth you can start to move on. It takes great self confidence and willpower to make a stance especially with people around you ready to think you're over exaggerating or being mean yoyrself.

Your lightbulb moment happened as mine did, trust your instincts. I really hope you get rl help to be able to move forward. My dh actually was the one who helped me the most so I think it's important you show him this thread.

Good luck op x

LineyReborn · 30/11/2016 12:12

You become stronger when you no longer need validation of your version of reality.

That's so true, wotoodoo. It's a very important point.

KeepCoolCalmAndCollected · 30/11/2016 15:25

...."The irony of it all is that she is in most other respects a good person. She works hard, is modest and generous and charitable. She spent her life doing charity work. She is the archetypal "good Christian," which is why everybody found it so hard to believe when I told them, to the point that I doubted my own recollection of things until yesterday"....

Don't fall for this, there is no irony - it's a hypocritical front that your mother puts on.
A lot of 'good Christian's conveniently hide behind religion, and are charitable etc., but treat their nearest and dearest like utter shit, and your mother is one of them.
Your poor DD, that shocking experience will be imprinted on her now for the rest of her life.

Your mother is very twisted, she should have been protecting your daughter, and I wouldn't let her within an inch of your daughter.

Cary2012 · 30/11/2016 17:13

OP you have had such good advice. Please print this thread so that if you have doubts in the future when you go lc or nc you can reassure yourself that you are doing the right thing.

It's so hard to go nc, but sadly I don't think you have any choice. You already suffered as a child, that's bad enough, but you can't ever allow history to repeat itself.

BlackSwan · 30/11/2016 21:27

How abusive to taunt your own child and grandchild - and to get away with it on the premise that it's a joke. Getting a rise out of a young child learning that the one person they need to be able to trust can't be trusted. Needing to destabilise the child's sense of security like that. Frightening. Sick sick people out there. Protect your daughter from her. NC in a heartbeat.

ReySkywalker · 30/11/2016 22:20

How awful and upsetting for you, I can understand why you didn't step in, you've been told for so long that your memories are false that seeing it in reality must've taken a while to compute.

Before she realised you saw, what does she say happened and what does she say her actions were?

What does she say happened in those incidents when you were a child? Does she deny anything happened or say you made every incident up?

Whichoneofyoudidthat · 01/12/2016 05:30

Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, but do you have siblings?

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