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i am worried my mother has a sadistic streak

113 replies

Elasticbandaided · 27/11/2016 23:14

I had what anyone would think was a normal, happy childhood. Yet I have been diagnosed as an adult with attachment disorder, depression and phobias. I have memories of mainly emotional and (some) physical abuse which does not match any of the recollections of my parents.

One of the main things I recall from my childhood is my mother deliberately frightening me as a toddler and throughout childhood. If she knew that something frightened me, it seemed like she would cause it to happen, then shame me when I had a frightened, panic attack or anxious response to it. As I got older I used to challenge her and she would laugh - "why would I do that to you? I'm your mother." But she would do it over and over again until I had to try very hard to pretend it didn't frighten me anymore, just so she would stop doing it. I just dealt with the feelings of terror / helplessness by myself, turned them inward and dissociated.

This was very hard to understand and very confusing as a child. It's hard to believe that your own mother wants to cause you fear and emotional pain, so you and everyone else put it down to something else, or a series of accidents or crossed wires. And I have always thought that maybe I was mistaken? Or maybe I was just an overly sensitive child who needed to toughen up, or "get a grip" as my mother would say.

This has all come to a head today when I had one of those experiences where everything dawns on you at once : I watched my mother deliberately frightening my own child until she was shaking and crying and trying to run away. Neither of them could see that I was watching, but I saw the whole thing. When DD did get away, saw me and came running to me, my mother appeared and told me that my DD had got herself into the situation and that she wasn't able to stop her, despite her best efforts.

This is not true, as I watched the whole thing. My mother created it all, and was fascinated watching my dd's fear response and repeating it to get a further reaction. I confronted my mother and she told me again that I was mistaken, that she would never do anything to scare DD. My DF came later too and said I was ridiculous for accusing my DM of something like that. But I know I was not mistaken. I know what I saw with my adult eyes.

Obviously I am not going to let her be alone with my DD again. Of course my DD is my main concern here and I know what to do to protect her, but the help I'm looking to get from you is about me.

Why would my mother do this? I have no doubt she loves me and DD in her own way, so why would she do this? She was a perfectly good mother in most other respects.

What kind of effect is that likely to have had on a child (me?)

What can I do to help myself get over my phobias and anxiety now I know that this sort of behaviour was the cause and that they didn't just happen because I am not "tough enough" as a person.

OP posts:
Elasticbandaided · 28/11/2016 12:11

Your messages are so helpful thank you.

introvertedbuthappy I feel your pain. I am just trying to get over the shock that it wasn't me. My entire life I have believed myself to be a "coward," "can't take a joke," "too sensitive."

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Introvertedbuthappy · 28/11/2016 12:14

Me too Elastic, that I'm a crybaby, that I'm pathetic, that I can't take a joke. That I must be remembering things wrong, or that it never happened. It's awful.
The scary thing is how well they can control it - no one would ever believe that someone as 'lovely and mind' as my mother could do such a thing.

CockacidalManiac · 28/11/2016 12:18

This is how people like Savile managed to hide in plain sight; if they were horrible to everyone, they wouldn't last five minutes.
They pick on the vulnerable and the voiceless. This is how your mother behaves.

SandyY2K · 28/11/2016 12:18

Jimmy Saville did a lot for charity too and that's why nobody believed those kids.

The sheer evil of your mother is terrifying. Your thread title ..." I'm worried she has a sadistic streak"

There's no doubt she has a sadistic streak and you can be sure she's done similar things to your DD that she did to you as a child.

Does your DD go to your mum's house happily? Does she ever pull away from your mum?

I can tell you in no uncertain terms, that your mother is definetly abusive.

Heaven knows what she's terrorised your DD with, when you weren't there. It's just horrifying and don't let your mum try and convince you that you didn't see what you did.

Just keep repeating to her "I know what I saw. I know what you did to DD and I know what you did to me."

I'm not sure if you still have counselling, but counsellors have an obligation to report where there is potential harm and if you told your counsellor this, I'm sure he/she would be very concerned about safeguarding your DD.

Keep your DD far away from your mum, as she's capable of terrorising her even when you pop to the loo.

This is just chilling.

CalmItKermitt · 28/11/2016 12:27

God that's awful. Go NC.

pnutter · 28/11/2016 12:35

My parents were like this too.
Pretending my food was poisoned , pretending to be ill or collapsed due to my actions, leaving home alone, driving off etc

All of my siblings and myself have mental health issues . Varying degrees of.

I'm nc now - my father is dead but my mother I have now cut out as she has re written history and still blames me for everything .

I really hope you can get some support with this op, either your dh / partner or some therapy. I'm in therapy.

StefCWS · 28/11/2016 12:35

Wow, I may be able to help you on this as I experienced this with my aunt and cousin. My aunt is a loving mother and aunty, however she has this streak, I would 100% say she wouldn't actually put my cousin in danger but liked to see her frightened and having control over her emotions.
It messed my cousins head up and she told her dad (who had obv never witnessed it as my aunt was clever and only did it when they were alone) and he didn't believe her. You are not imagining it and your mum cant help it (don't leave her alone with her again) as it escalates and my cousin told me so. Your mum will never ever admit it to you, but If I were you I would tell her you know what you saw and your not stupid and remember what she did when you were a child.

StefCWS · 28/11/2016 12:36

My cousins children don't go to their nans unattended :-)

ValaMalDoran · 28/11/2016 12:40

Also what stopped you stepping in as soon as you saw your mum scare her the first time (instead of waiting until dd was crying etc?)

I would imagine the OP to be traumatised herself as she realised that it wasn't "her being silly" all those years.

OP I would suggest no unsupervised contact and some counselling for you to help you deal. I doubt she would ever admit anything wrong ditto your father. Likely they both feel they are perfectly reasonable. It doesn't mean they are.

Grannysmithy · 28/11/2016 12:51

This is so upsetting to read. Some people are seriously messed up. Why any mother would put her child through this is completely beyond me.

If that was my child I would explain to them that this kind of behaviour is not normal or nice and I would never ever leave him or her with that person ever again.

Granted I have never been in this position but I agree that no contact is the only way forward.

Disgusting behaviour from your mother op. Please do the right thing for your child.

YouHadMeAtCake · 28/11/2016 12:54

After reading your update OP, I would never have anything to do with her again and she would never see the DC. She is a monster.

ShmooBooMoo · 28/11/2016 13:04

You say she is a Christian. Is it worth approaching her priest/ pastor/ vicar and asking if they might approach the issue with your mother?

SandyY2K · 28/11/2016 13:05

I would never have anything to do with her again and she would never see the DC.

This ^^^^^^ 100%

There are situations where a parent tells their child they'll call the police if they're naughty or something along those lines,.

Ive also known parents hide when their kids kept running off in a shopping centre, to scare them into not running away again, but all the while they kept an eye on the child.

However, the talk of pretending food was poisoned and leaving a frightened child alone at home .... are a whole different ball game.

FilledSoda · 28/11/2016 13:06

Nc is the only way sadly, or at least it was for me.

zippey · 28/11/2016 13:09

One good thing to come out of all this though is the revelation that the problem wasn't you. That you weren't making things up or mis-remembering. And you saw what happened with your own eyes. Being able to trust yourself now puts you in a powerful position, and you can try gaining the self esteem you lost when you were a child. You can also help your child not to face the same issues you had while growing up.

WaitroseCoffeeCostaCup · 28/11/2016 13:10

My Mother abused me horrifically from birth. I eventually went NC last year. The whole side of that family knew but did nothing. I honestly believe they didn't want to be the next victim. Even now no one will admit there was a problem-they tiptoe around her even more because now I'm not there to take the brunt of her issues she will no doubt be looking for the next victim!
When you say everyone remembers your childhood differently, they probably don't. They just don't want to stand up to her and risk being her next victim.
What I can say is that the last year has been the happiest of my life. I only wish I'd done this when my Daughter (8) was younger because she doesn't understand why Grandma was so nasty to Mummy and why she's not heard from her again.

HumphreyCobblers · 28/11/2016 13:16

Oh you poor thing. I am so sorry to hear that you had to live through such horrific treatment.

Remember that there is really no doubt that your mother has a sadistic streak and that none of this was your fault.

Flowers to everyone on this thread with similar experiences.

FannyFifer · 28/11/2016 13:20

Bloody hell, I really don't think there would be any way back from that.
Your poor wee baby.
Now you know without a shadow of doubt that you didn't imagine the way she treated you & the things she did.
I think you needed to see it, and now it will make you stronger.

Elasticbandaided · 28/11/2016 13:25

So many things are ringing bells from what you said. This need to be needed or looked up to or to have power.

I suppose if you feel small, the more you reduce someone to a fear state, the bigger you feel and the more power you have over them.

My mother had a horrible childhood but doesn't talk about it. I can probably take a good guess what happened now.

If I go NC or LC or anything (which I plan to do) it will be met with utter bafflement by my parents. And probably tears and telling me I am delusional and ungrateful and spoiled. I really need to be careful to remember this fully.

DH has not been much help as I think he also finds it hard to believe and is under my mother's spell. He said "but she cares for her so well and dotes on her. She (DD) is your mother's whole life."

OP posts:
YouHadMeAtCake · 28/11/2016 13:27

Elastic that your DH doesn't believe you is awful. Does he know how she terrible she was to you as a child?

ItStartedWithAKiss241 · 28/11/2016 13:28

Sorry this has happend to you, and Dd. All the situations you described sound much worse than anything I was imagining. X

AutumnalLeaves38 · 28/11/2016 13:28

OP,

How distressing for you and your daughter that was.

Having such history resurfacing must be a terribly upsetting and confusing time for you; some of this, "What is an emotionally abusive mother?", may chime with your remembered experiences? I wish you the very best.

HumphreyCobblers · 28/11/2016 13:35

Gosh, your DH really needs to be on board with this. Have you told him what you have told us? It is a situation where he should be you main support against your sadistic mother.

StefCWS · 28/11/2016 13:41

Your mum knows she does it and that's why your dad and DH hasn't seen it. if she thought It were normal behaviour she would do it in front of others. I know why you watched, you wanted to see with your own eyes if she was doing what you thought she was doing. What did your child have to say about it?

CaraAspen · 28/11/2016 13:48

Your mother needs psychiatric help, frankly. That sort of behaviour towards a child is beyond appalling.

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