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i am worried my mother has a sadistic streak

113 replies

Elasticbandaided · 27/11/2016 23:14

I had what anyone would think was a normal, happy childhood. Yet I have been diagnosed as an adult with attachment disorder, depression and phobias. I have memories of mainly emotional and (some) physical abuse which does not match any of the recollections of my parents.

One of the main things I recall from my childhood is my mother deliberately frightening me as a toddler and throughout childhood. If she knew that something frightened me, it seemed like she would cause it to happen, then shame me when I had a frightened, panic attack or anxious response to it. As I got older I used to challenge her and she would laugh - "why would I do that to you? I'm your mother." But she would do it over and over again until I had to try very hard to pretend it didn't frighten me anymore, just so she would stop doing it. I just dealt with the feelings of terror / helplessness by myself, turned them inward and dissociated.

This was very hard to understand and very confusing as a child. It's hard to believe that your own mother wants to cause you fear and emotional pain, so you and everyone else put it down to something else, or a series of accidents or crossed wires. And I have always thought that maybe I was mistaken? Or maybe I was just an overly sensitive child who needed to toughen up, or "get a grip" as my mother would say.

This has all come to a head today when I had one of those experiences where everything dawns on you at once : I watched my mother deliberately frightening my own child until she was shaking and crying and trying to run away. Neither of them could see that I was watching, but I saw the whole thing. When DD did get away, saw me and came running to me, my mother appeared and told me that my DD had got herself into the situation and that she wasn't able to stop her, despite her best efforts.

This is not true, as I watched the whole thing. My mother created it all, and was fascinated watching my dd's fear response and repeating it to get a further reaction. I confronted my mother and she told me again that I was mistaken, that she would never do anything to scare DD. My DF came later too and said I was ridiculous for accusing my DM of something like that. But I know I was not mistaken. I know what I saw with my adult eyes.

Obviously I am not going to let her be alone with my DD again. Of course my DD is my main concern here and I know what to do to protect her, but the help I'm looking to get from you is about me.

Why would my mother do this? I have no doubt she loves me and DD in her own way, so why would she do this? She was a perfectly good mother in most other respects.

What kind of effect is that likely to have had on a child (me?)

What can I do to help myself get over my phobias and anxiety now I know that this sort of behaviour was the cause and that they didn't just happen because I am not "tough enough" as a person.

OP posts:
SandyY2K · 28/11/2016 10:20

I don't know how you even want to see your mum again after what she did to your daughter. I'm shaking just reading it.

Knowing how unpredictable animals are, that dog could have attacked your poor daughter. It's sickening what your mum did.

I would confront her, alone (have your phone on record ) and repeat exactly what you saw and what she said and if she doesn't admit or confess to it, tell her young will not be seeing her in the forseeable future.

Do you have any siblings?

SandyY2K · 28/11/2016 10:21

Typo - Not young you will not be seeing her in the forseeable future.

Bigbongos123 · 28/11/2016 10:22

Be brave and never ever see her again.

What an awful woman. Your post nearly bought me to tears. Poor you. And your dd :-(

BerylMeeps · 28/11/2016 10:23

I'm sorry for you. That's awful. I don't think I'd be able to see her again like, ever.

Elllicam · 28/11/2016 10:23

God that's horrible :( your mum sounds like a total sadist. How is your DD now?

Enb76 · 28/11/2016 10:27

One of my mother's ex-friends did a similar dog incident with me when I was about 3. Her explanation was that she was showing me that it was stupid to be afraid and that by confronting fear you get over it. My mother never spoke to her again.

Cricrichan · 28/11/2016 10:28

What a psycho! Never see her again op. Reading those examples was really upsetting, can't imagine having lived through that.

DashboardLightParadise · 28/11/2016 10:28

That's awful, your poor dd (and you). She's so little too, if anything that will make her worse around dogs. I know I've often seen no contact bandied about here and wondered how so many people can cut certain parents out of their life, in these circumstances I can. Your mother's behaviour is sickening. I couldn't be in the same room as her.

Nerris · 28/11/2016 10:34

Reading this has made the hairs on my neck stand up. I can't even get into the mindset of why she would do that. What an awful woman. I am so sorry OP, please get support or counselling to help you with this. I think NC would be a healthy way forward.

GinasGirl · 28/11/2016 10:40

My auntie did this kind of thing to me when I was a toddler - she told me all about it. Apparently she would scare me to the point of tears, so that I would need comfort. She enjoyed me needing her and would like me clinging to her for a hug!
I knew nothing about it/didn't remember it so was ShockConfused when she told me.
I had all kinds of different problems with DM, but that's a whole other thread!!

Introvertedbuthappy · 28/11/2016 10:42

I am so sorry. My mother was like this and I now suffer similar problems to you. One of my earliest memories was her pretending she was dead when my brother (18 months at the time) hit her. I was 3 and a half and she fell to the floor and held her breath while I desperately said 'Mummy', escalating it and shaking her when she refused to respond, her tongue lolling out. I ended up hysterical and only when I tried putting my brother in a play pen to go get help she 'woke up' and laughed at me, calling me ridiculous. I was really shaken up and tried telling my Dad when he got in from work but she talked over me, laughing and making a joke of my 'overactive imagination'.
You are doing the right thing keeping your daughter away from her.

SandyY2K · 28/11/2016 10:43

I'm an adult in my 40s and have a terrible phobia of mice /rats, to the point I could start hyperventilating, crying snd screaming I can't imagine the terror your poor DD must have felt.

You can't love someone and do what she did. What on earth happened to make your mother like this? Her childhood could well have the answers.

My heart is still beating so fast with what she did.

FurryLittleTwerp · 28/11/2016 11:09

There is something seriously wrong with your mother Angry

iremembericod · 28/11/2016 11:26

The minimising and denial will just constantly make you doubt yourself so going NC is the way to go

You might want to have a look at Daughters of narcissistic mothers, it might ring a few more alarm bells

www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/

Elasticbandaided · 28/11/2016 11:42

Thank you for all your incredibly kind replies.

The irony of it all is that she is in most other respects a good person. She works hard, is modest and generous and charitable. She spent her life doing charity work. She is the archetypal "good Christian," which is why everybody found it so hard to believe when I told them, to the point that I doubted my own recollection of things until yesterday.

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ElsieMc · 28/11/2016 11:46

Elastic - this is so much more serious than your initial post described. True cruelty. Not only that she placed your dd in potential serious harm as we have all read terrible stories of dog attacks. She was a helpless little girl, reliant upon someone who was supposed to love and care for her to keep her safe. Not only did she fail, but she enjoyed her fear.

This has been a lightbulb moment for you. Everything you recall about your childhood and your mother's behaviour is true. You need to believe this.

I broke off contact with my mil because I did not want her to treat my dd's how she treated me and her own son. This was more mindgames and I did not want my dds suffering self esteem issues and always having to wonder what they had done wrong.

This is at a whole new level. However, confronting her may well be cathartic for you, but do bear in mind that she will deny, deny, deny and probably laugh at your "foolishness". Do not let her make you doubt yourself for your sake and your daughters.

Move on from this woman. She does not deserve her family.

IndieBamBindi · 28/11/2016 11:49

She sounds like the sort of person who you'd catch skinning a cat in the shed.

Maudlinmaud · 28/11/2016 11:53

Oh my god Elastic, that is unforgivable..
Like other posters I am shocked at this.
Regardless of how nice a person she is at other times, doesn't make this any easier to cope with. Protect your dd and yourself from further hurt and damage. Is going nc something you could consider?

LoisWilkersonsLastNerve · 28/11/2016 11:53

That's horrible opSad You can't let this slide. Write a letter explaining what you saw and tell her she has lost your trust, needs help and won't be seeing you until that's done and you get an overdue apology.

Cricrichan · 28/11/2016 11:54

Elastic. My mil (who is narcissistic) is generous and charitable too. But she's like that for the attention and because she wants to buy people not because she wants to help. And if you delve into the help she provides, it's usually never anything actually helpful.

When I help friends or do stuff for other people or am charitable etc, I don't advertise it. I don't do it for the attention and to get validation, I do it because I want to help whoever I'm helping and most people don't know about it .

BingBongBingBong · 28/11/2016 11:54

Some people are just not right and enjoy the power or act of making others scared. She sounds psychotic tbh. For your own sake and that of your DD keep her away. She sounds proper evil.

ralphi · 28/11/2016 11:59

She sounds very disturbed. I really dont believe there is much point in confronting her. She will only deny it, or try to rationalise it, possibly even passing it off as a "joke" or implying that you are exaggerating . People like this are dangerous, and the situation with the dog was very dangerous for your dd. Dont let her treat your daughter like she treated you, dont see her again.

CockacidalManiac · 28/11/2016 12:00

She sounds awful. Monsters aren't always monsters; that's how they get away with it.

ralphi · 28/11/2016 12:02

Dont let her apologise and tell you she got help as suggested above. You have no way of knowing if she is truly cured.

Introvertedbuthappy · 28/11/2016 12:05

Elastic along with my mother pretending she had died she would hide from me in strange places and watch me frantically search for her. She would wait until I was crying and pleading for her then laughingly reveal herself.
She is also a wonderful and charitable person, a headteacher no less who is known for her compassion. It was never directed at me though, and for years I have blamed myself.