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What do you think about this day-in-the-life relationship?

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fuckmyfuckinghusband · 04/11/2016 02:00

I have 2 DC under 2.

Up three times in night breastfeeding baby. H sleeps through.

Toddler cries at 7am, I get up, change her, give her milk, take her downstairs. I ask her to wait while I go back upstairs to get newborn. She follows me back upstairs. H sleeps.

Take newborn downstairs trying to navigate toddler down steep stairs behind me. Make breakfast for toddler. BF baby. Toddler starts throwing food and saying she doesn't want it.

H comes down at 11am, showered and dressed and questions why there is food on the floor. I explain toddler did it. He tells me we need to set a plan in place to discipline her better about food and I must think about what to do to stop the mess happening.

H makes himself coffee and settles down opposite me, still BF-ing, while toddler cries around me because I am not giving her attention. He puts football on his phone.

I burp baby and put him down, clear up the dropped food. then pick up toddler and take her outside in the garden. We play a few games. H comes out and asks if I'd like some of what he's having for breakfast. I say yes.

Baby starts crying while H is making breakfast. H shouts out into garden and tells me to deal with it. I try and persuade toddler to come in but she doesn't want to and starts crying.

I go and get baby while toddler cries outside, with the intention of taking him out, but realise I have to wrap him up because it's cold. Take him upstairs to get blanket. Toddler comes in and follows me.

While wrapping up baby, toddler takes all the clean nappies and spreads them over the floor. Put baby down, try and get toddler to play tidying up game. Toddler takes a pile of nappies downstairs and dumps them at bottom of stairs. H complains that I have let her make a mess AGAIN.

H puts breakfast on table. I hold baby while I eat with one hand. Toddler cries and holds on to my knee. H texts while eating breakfast.

I kiss toddler on head. H looks up and says "you never give me any affection like that." I am so tired I don't know what to say.

I wash up breakfast and baby is crying. Toddler goes into fridge and pulls out bottles and packets. H comes into kitchen, complains that baby is crying, and makes a case that I have "allowed" toddler to "totally mess up the house within 2 hours of us waking up."

H grabs packets and bottles from toddler's hands and shoves them back in fridge and slams the door. Toddler cries and clings on to my leg. I can't finish the washing up.

In dining room, H is setting up his computer on the table (he works from home) and he tells me I must stop toddler from touching it. Baby cries again, wants to be in a different position, so I pick baby up and settle him.

Go upstairs to finally get dressed (yes was in the garden in nightie and jumper.) Toddler follows. I clear up nappies, have a wee and a shower while toddler watches and throws things into the bath shouting random words and pointing out my body parts.

Baby cries, needs changing. H is pacing in dining room saying he cannot do this anymore (unclear what, but presumably just the chaos of mess and noise.) I ask what I can do to help. H lists impossible things like "stop toddler touching anything," and "don't let baby cry." And "be more organised."

Toddler is hungry from refusing breakfast. We need food for lunch, someone's got to get it. H refuses point blank to be left with either child. I give him the option of either going by himself to get food, or me going with both DC. He chooses the latter. Takes me a while to put toddler and baby into car, drive, toddler in trolley, baby in sling, go round Sainsbury's, buy food, back in car.

Toddler is starving now, so give her a cracker while waiting for food. H complains that I feed her junk. I offer to make lunch, but H does not want to deal with DCs, so I look after them while he makes lunch. H asks toddler for a hug. Toddler says no and runs to me. H becomes morose. I suggest that he is a bit gentler with her and then maybe she will want to cuddle. He tells me I have spoilt her and he is the only one who disciplines / is the bad cop and that is why she won't cuddle him.

We sit down to lunch and H accuses me of "never cooking him a hot meal." I say I am always dealing with the children. He says "you don't love me anymore." My brain is too fried from hormones and tiredness to work out what I want to say or fight back or anything.

And on and on and on...

Is this typical of a marriage with very young DC? My H is the one who earns, so certain behaviours and work stress are understandable... but is it really like this?

OP posts:
frumpet · 04/11/2016 07:30

Can you set up office space in a bedroom ? then get DH to go work there , I mostly hate DH working from home , he did try the 'can't you keep the children quiet' once a few years ago when it was the summer holidays , the answer was no , not really . Now they are older and if I know he is on a call , I will shush them if they are really rowdy . He has to accept a level of child related noise as he chose to WFH in a family home .

I am still astounded that he gets up at 11am , is that every day ?

earlgreydrinker · 04/11/2016 07:30

I'm here with a bf baby and a 3 year old. At the moment life is a bit chaotic, the house is a bit of a huge mess. I'm tired and the children take up all my time. Think it's quite normal with children this age. But they are not your sole responsibility.

Sounds like your H needs to grow up!! He should be helping out. You need him to help out. I would be telling him exactly what he needs to do to help because he probably can't see for himself.

Flowers
DustOffYourHighestHopes · 04/11/2016 07:31

My dh is below average helpful, but even he wouldn't stoop to this.

Whoever does night shift gets first lie in.

He can't work from home with two babies under two unless he's in a separate room.

If he's unhappy with discipline or the state of the house he can take it into his own hands.

He has no idea that parents are a team and the children are the enemy!
Was he nice before kids? Is this is a blip? Can this be salvaged? When you talk to him about this, does he recognise how close you are to the edge? If not. I would leave. I don't say that lightly - I almost did.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/11/2016 07:33

I think he can see what needs doing; he is an adult after all. However, he is an adult who has decided that this is all beneath him so refuses to take part other than give criticism and abdicate all responsibility.

prettywhiteguitar · 04/11/2016 07:33

I would be in tears after all that, the man has no concern for you at all ! Your husband should be up in the morning helping you with breakfast before he starts his working day at 9am, not 11am. Does he think he's a student ???

londonrach · 04/11/2016 07:34

Is this weekend or during the week. Does he go to work. If not, thinking he doesnt if its 11am he should take more role of looking after toddler and housework than you leaving you free to bf. If weekend maybe 11am is ok if been at work all week but you get lay in (excluding bf) on sunday till 11am whilst he looks after toddler. he should be doing more with toddler whilst you bf.

Only1scoop · 04/11/2016 07:37

No poor youSad
I'd have run away if my dp was like that

Afo · 04/11/2016 07:38

Oh my OP I could just cry reading your post. I have 3, 5 and under including 4mo bf baby. Sure, DH and I have days weeks where we seem to do nothing but snipe at each other and fall out over "fairness" and housework and who's pulling more weight than the other. It's shit. However, if he ever complained about me prioritising the children over him, or dared to criticise a meal I tried to throw together while juggling all the children, or didn't pull his weight St least with the kids when at home we wild be having serious words. On the other hand, imo it can be very easy to slip into a habit. I wonder if he read your thread just to see it from your view he might get a shock? It's hard even reading it, and I'm giving him the benefit of doubt. If it's something you've tried to discuss before and he still refuses to do it in all honesty I think it would be easier on your own!!!

MummyTheTramEngine · 04/11/2016 07:39

Here is an average day in my house for comparison.

6am baby wakes. DH takes care of baby whilst washing and dressing, I go for a short run, shower and dress. By 7am both kids are eating breakfast with DH, who leaves for work at 7.05. My kids are 4 and under 1 so similar ish to you. Before he leaves DH will have put the washing on, taken the bins out and maybe put away the washing up from last night.

I wrangle kids all day, do bits of housework if possible, usually prepare dinner.

DH comes home at 7pm. On a good day it may be tidy and the kids ready for bed. On a bad day- not. He is always perfectly understanding and supportive about this and has not once complained or been huffy. He does bedtime for one kid, I do the other. While dinner finishes cooking he will do any washing up, sweep the floor, tidy toys etc, usually while I sit down with a cuppa. He washes up after dinner.

I do all night wakings for BF baby. (He is a TERRIBLE sleeper!) My eldest has only started sleeping through in the last few weeks, used to wake 2-3 times a night- DH always got up for him since I got pregnant with number 2.

Both kids adore him.
Your DH needs to shape up.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 04/11/2016 07:40

He sounds like an absolute twat, he really does.

However, there are some bits when I have sympathy for him. For example, if he is working from home then I'm not surprised that he refused to look after either child while you had a shower / went to the shop / made lunch. He wouldn't be able to get any work done if he was supervising a child every time you did this kind of thing (although of course if he's working from home he is available if you really need him).

I agree.

Joysmum · 04/11/2016 07:40

I've never beforerevimmended showing a partner a thread, this time I do...or at least your opening post. Sad

clarrylove · 04/11/2016 07:42

I imagine the 11 am for breakfast for you both is a typo as you mentioned you had been up a couple of hours since 7.

It is hard when a partner works from home and I also suggests he locks himself away in a separate room. I would also recommend getting the children out of the house as much as possible, so walk to the shops when you are all ready?

Some other things Which might help - strap toddler in high chair so she can't keep folowing you when you leave room briefly. Put a lock on the fridge if it is at her level. Use a mat under the highchair to catch food and shake out the door after she has finished her meal.

BrieAndChilli · 04/11/2016 07:43

When mine were little it would have gone something like this

Me up several times a night breastfeeding but if DH woke up he would change a nappy if needed
DH would normally wake first so would take toddler downstairs for breakfast and take baby as well if I had fed
DH would then go to work but if at home would bring me food/drink while I was breast feeding, and entertain toddler and tidy up
Otherwise he would supervise toddler and newborn while I got on with some jobs.

The problem you have is the working from home. I work from home and don't expect to do anything with the kids as I need to get on with it.
Your DH needs to set some working hours e.g. He is working between 9-12, you would then keep the kids out of his way i.e. Keep dining room for shut and teach toddler that when door is shut Daddy is working,
But then lunchtime he should occupy the kids while you do a couple of things et

GinAndOnIt · 04/11/2016 07:45

Are you my sister? Her situation is almost exactly the same. But, I have to say, I can see how it got like that for her.

For the first year or so of PFB, she didn't let her DH do anything. At all. She is a complete martyr and now the oldest is 3 and she has a newborn, she keeps passive aggressively huffing and rolling her eyes that her DH does nothing. Yet when he does do anything with the elder DC, my sister is always in the background saying 'oh she doesn't like that game' or speaking to child so child remembers mummy and squirms away from daddy. Her DH is constantly saying 'yes thanks mummy, we were doing fine as we were'. In fact, he's pretty much given up now and just sits around watching. I went there one day when sister was pregnant, and she was mowing the lawn and distracting DC. I then went out and played with DC. Her DH didn't come out at all apart from to ask if we wanted lunch, when sis huffed and said 'I'm doing the lawn???' He then said 'i said I'd do it next weekend' and she huffed and mumbled some more and her DH looked really awkward. He tried to talk to DC but sister interrupted their conversation almost immediately, so her DH went back inside. I can see why she's pissed off that he does nothing, but I can also see why he just doesn't bother anymore IYSWIM?

I'm not saying this is your situation, but maybe you should just tell DH what is happening. Go upstairs, get dressed, shoes on, then go into lounge and say 'I'm going to get lunch, here's newborn. Back in 10' and walk out. During the morning scene above, did you physically say the words 'DH, wake up please because toddler is awake' or 'DH, here's toddler, I'm going for a shower'? I know he should know what to do, but maybe he's trying to get out of it because he knows you won't say anything.

Take control now. He can stomp his feet if he likes, but he won't get any better with how things are now.

Sorry it's so tiring for you at the moment. Sounds crap. Congratulations on newborn by the way Flowers

TheNaze73 · 04/11/2016 07:45

I think showing him the thread would be of zero use as he seems so emotionally unintelligent & lacking in self awareness that it wouldn't bother him.
From what you have described op, this is unsalvageable. I don't see what you are getting from this relationship

Dollius01 · 04/11/2016 07:47

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GinAndOnIt · 04/11/2016 07:49

Also, as an ex nanny trying to look after children with a parent WFM, I sympathise. In the end I had a strict rule that if a parent wanted to work from home, they must be in the office upstairs, and only come down if they are free to help (or for food obviously). It's too confusing for a child to see a parent but not have access to them, and it's only ever going to lead to DH becoming pissed off when a toddler is being distracting. If he's genuinely working from home, he's not 'fair game' for parenting, but he needs to bugger off somewhere else in the house if that is the case.

Washthenetting · 04/11/2016 07:50

You poor thing, you really shouldn't have to live like that. LTB. At least if you're on your own you'll only have two to pick up after. He will also have to seriously re-think the never being left alone with either of them if he wants any sort of custody.

mrsmuddlepies · 04/11/2016 07:57

Stop being a motherhood martyr. Tell him you are going out for the day and leave him to cope. If you really don't trust the children with him you should not be with him at all. He will cope but he will also understand what life is like for you. Unless you give him the opportunity to step up and be a father he will continue to be hopeless. The more you exclude him by not pushing him to care for his children the worse the situation for everyone and most of all for you.
When my brother and sister in law split up, my brother had to care for his children on his own and their relationship has blossomed.
Don't be passive , leave him alone with them while you physically leave the house. Go to a friends house for a few hours and sleep. They will all survive without you and you will all be better for it.

Penfold007 · 04/11/2016 07:59

No not normal. There are several things you could do to make life easier:
Create an office space in your bedroom and H must remain there during 9-5 office hours
Get a stairgate to ensure child safety
Meal plan and order groceries on line
Show H the door and offload the manchild

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 04/11/2016 07:59

Stop being a motherhood martyr. Tell him you are going out for the day and leave him to cope

However he is supposed to be working from home.

BabyGanoush · 04/11/2016 08:00

Stop martyring yourself OP

Yes, your DH acts like a wanker. And you enable him

It is s road to nowhere

I recommend being less accommodating

Also, working from home when there
Is a baby and toddler in the house will never be a success. It can't work...

toptoe · 04/11/2016 08:00

Nope.

It is typical of life living with someone who is selfish and unkind. Your H lacks compassion and that is not something he will be able to change. It is definitely not something you can 'teach' him or influence in any way.

When someone lacks compassion, they are unable to sympathise with you or their dc. Everything is about how it affects them. So you are bending over backwards, naturally hoping he will help in some way when it gets overwhelming with the 2 young ones, but instead he makes it worse by having a go at you and the toddler.

Your H is making your situation worse.

If you were to go it alone you would put systems in place to deal with those really tricky times when baby and toddler both need you at the same time. It would still be hard, but it would not be made harder by his commentary of how 'bad' you are all doing (bullshit) and how hard it is for him (bullshit) and how you're all making his life miserable (bullshit - he is making his life miserable).

For what it's worth, it sounds like you are doing an AMAZING job. How on earth you manage to keep going, playing with toddler in between bf and cleaning etc etc - you are a very strong, powerful woman and your dc have a wonderful primary carer in you. This is going to give your dc a brilliant start in life.

My advice? Tune out your H. Plan everything as if he wasn't there as you cannot rely on him at all. Also, when he starts getting shitty, put the dc in the buggy and get away from him. Or suggest he fucks off for the day and leaves you in peace. Any moaning about cleanliness, stock reply with 'the cleaning stuff is under the sink' and walk out with the dc.

He won't, however, miraculously change. It is his nature to be unfeeling towards you. This is something he cannot change I'm afraid.

thisisafakename · 04/11/2016 08:02

Tell him to rent office space if he doesn't already. Why the hell is he working from home if he gets so irritated with the kids being around? That's his problem to sort out. Also, tell him to pull his weight before he starts work.

I reckon your life might not seem as stressful if you got rid of him (though I am not advocating that necessarily). You already do everything with no help from him. If you were on your own, at least you wouldn't have the added hassle of dealing with his nagging and criticising.

If I were you, I would issue some ultimatums.

mrsmuddlepies · 04/11/2016 08:04

Excellent post Ginandonit. I think passive aggressive behaviour from mothers excludes fathers from having the chance to parent.