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ADVICE NEEDED. NC with toxic parents..dad is now sick

126 replies

aubs427 · 23/10/2016 14:42

I recently wrote in about my situation. Here's the link. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2726749-Going-NC-with-toxic-parents-aftermath-Need-Advice-Support

Their efforts in a letter and generic birthday gift have not 'weakened' me. Thankfully, I have my husband who has been one of my strongest support system through all this.

However, my sister has just recently messaged me on facebook last night stating that my dad is now in the hospital due to either a minor stroke or a bad reaction to the flu shot. They will be conducting an MRI on Monday.

My question to you guys is, if it is something serious, do I go visit them? My husband is highly against this option and feels that it will just be ammunition to use against me. They clearly have not changed and will not change. He fears that I will undo all the progress I have made in the last few months. I'm not in anyway rushing over there. However, if there is limited time or he's only got so much time left, do I go to visit just to say I did? Will nothing good come out if it?

I feel conflicted as I have always been 'good-hearted'. Except, I know the reality of my situation as based off the letter my dad wrote to me in July was one of blame. There was no acknowledgement of the abuse and basically he spent a page and a half putting all the blame on me and spent two paragraphs comparing me to my sister, as in "your sister went down the right path and you should have followed". My husband feels that my mom will unleash hell on me if I show up.

All I have said to my sister so far is "okay keep me posted".
Please help. :( I don't know what to do.

OP posts:
aubs427 · 26/10/2016 07:38

Very short update here. Husband trashed the email they sent and blocked my dad's email.

OP posts:
Aussiebean · 26/10/2016 08:04

Great update

Whocansay · 26/10/2016 08:06

If you do choose to see your sister, do not be alone with her. Your DH has your back. Keep him with you as he can help fend off any manipulation. Good luck. Flowers

purplepandas · 26/10/2016 08:32

Fab update. Stay strong. You deserve better.

MissMargie · 26/10/2016 08:54

You are still desperately hoping for a happy ending - that the family do really love and care for you after all, they were just confused/ misunderstanding/ had problems of their own/ didn't really know you/ don't know you well enough of they would apologise for the past / whatever.

Until you can accept this won't happen because of the flawed family dynamic, ie their warped views, you can discuss this ad infinitum but nothing will change.

You can change by getting on with your own life and leaving them out of it. And possibly getting some counselling to help you accept the way things are.

Piglet208 · 26/10/2016 08:59

Op. I am sorry for what you are still suffering as a result of your parent's horrific abuse. I wonder if it would help you to keep looking forward by acknowledging that you will never see them again under any circumstances including illness and near death. Maybe write an email to your sister explaining this is your wish to protect yourself from further abuse and to let her know that any contact from her needs to include no information about or from your parents. Your Dh sounds wonderfully supportive and I hope you continue to have the strength to recover.

Astro55 · 26/10/2016 09:03

I wonder if your sister has seen any of these emails - or indeed receives similar ones?

Your husband sounds great - follow his lead in these things he truly has you best interests at heart

Strawberry90 · 26/10/2016 09:06

Send a card and ask for updates but leave it at that. If it gets serious you can visit then.

rainbowstardrops · 26/10/2016 09:30

I'd make sure your DH is with you if you see your sister.

AcrossthePond55 · 26/10/2016 14:12

Good! Your DH has done the right thing!

Your parents and your sister should be 100% blocked on all systems, but just in case they create a new email or phone number any emails/phone calls you don't recognize should be checked first by your DH. You don't need the added bullshit.

KimmySchmidtsSmile · 26/10/2016 14:32

You poor poor love. Your DH has it right. They are still trying to play you. Incidentally when some people do suffer a stroke or anything that reminds them of their mortality the usual response is to set their stall right/put things in order/get shit done...right wrongs, apologise to those you have wronged, reconnect etc NOT to spew out a shit load of vitriol of the same bile by e mail.

I echo those who say only only see your sister on neutral ground with DH in tow, if at all. Do not allow any space for attack, no "quiet word alone" or going to the loo together, instead repeated mantra "anything you have to say you can say in front of (DP's name).
If she has not seen them and he NOT you can do it...then a copy of your letter to them, their reply and copy of recent reply given to her by DH with a resounding HERE'S WHY when she tries to guilt you into visiting or conducting a joint visit.
You are expected to be the obedient docile submissive one, as this is what they've demanded from you, even when all the while you're being rebuked for being the opposite. Where's Golden Sis in the looking after them in old age scenario? Exactly.
Stay strong OP. Flowers

aubs427 · 26/10/2016 17:02

Update here! I got some last bit of courage and decided to block my sisters messages on facebook now. I didn't notify her before doing it. I just found myself in a deep depression since last night and my husband said if I continue to keep the lines open, I am basically accepting or wanting the abuse to continue.

I haven't responded to her at all since telling her "I've been great." She doesn't have my current phone number. The only way she'd be able to reach me at this point is if she sent me an email, however, I will more than likely have my husband read it first anyway at which point he will do the same as he did last night to my parents email.

I just felt a huge part of me felt like a "bad person" for cutting literally all communication and not being able to know if they pass away. It was making me feel like a bad person because...in a way, if they still had contact, I know they'd say things to make me feel like a bad person, daughter, human being for not "showing" concern or "being there for them" physically.

Does it get any easier? How do you...not wonder? Anyone have any meditation tips or activities you do to help get you past the "are they...what if they..." thoughts?

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whitehandledkitchenknife · 26/10/2016 17:25

aubs - I have been in a similar situation. In my case it was nasty letter from sibling. I didn't read it (other sibling read her copy and warned me not to). Questions for you. Are you a bad person? I very much doubt it. Are these people who happen to be related to you giving a monkey's chuff about you? Why is it so important to keep trying to prove something to them?
How is it being a "bad person" to keep yourself safe?
These people are really, really not worth it. You have no value to them other than what they can exploit from you.
It does get much easier. Your DH sounds a gem.

Footle · 26/10/2016 17:45

Strawberry, I don't agree with your advice. Why would OP need to see any of them again - never mind updates ?

AcrossthePond55 · 26/10/2016 18:11

You've done absolutely the right thing! And your DH sounds like a Star.

You certainly aren't a 'bad person' for cutting truly bad people out of your life! What you are is a good person who is putting her own and her husband's happiness first, which is as it should be!

BoneyBackJefferson · 26/10/2016 18:23

good for you aubs. stay NC with them all.

FurryLittleTwerp · 26/10/2016 18:40

Your DH is fantastic Smile

Piglet208 · 26/10/2016 18:44

When you are struggling with doubts or wondering how they are doing try imagining whether you would let your future possible children be with them. You know you wouldn't allow it. Now focus on dreams for you and your Dh whatever they may include and remember that you deserve happiness and love.

Phineyj · 26/10/2016 20:12

Think of something happy in the future (your first anniversary with DH?) and every time you get intrusive thoughts about your parents, replace with the happy thought. If you practise this, it does work after a while.

Astro55 · 26/10/2016 22:47

Put into context - let's say my uncle is in hospital - I mention it in passing - you may feel a bit sorry - you may wonder how they are - you may hear they died later - you don't know this person - their death will have no impact on your life -

And that's how you should think about them - just a passing interest

You are grieving for parents you never had - a childhood that didn't exist - that's gone - replace it with happy future - things you want to do - make a bucket list - enjoy Wien with friends - book a holiday - learn a language - go fly a helicopter - and make your own memories X

Strawberry90 · 26/10/2016 23:02

Footie because at some point she'll need to reconcile how she feels if he dies (not that there's any suggestion of that here). NC is good and fine where appropriate but the op may want to visit him for her own feelings if something where to happen. People can only hurt you as far as you let me -there's something really powerful in being able to see someone and think no matter what you say or do you won't hurt me anymore. The op needs to get to that point.

Strawberry90 · 26/10/2016 23:03

Them not me - sorry tired typing

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 26/10/2016 23:09

Yes it gets easier. Now you've cut all contact I bet you improve dramatically very quickly. I suspect you will them realise how damaging even the limited contact was to your mind.

CookieDoughKid · 26/10/2016 23:30

Hello. I skimmed read this thread and your other one so apologies if I missed any important details. I just wanted to give you some point of views to help you move on. FYI - And I do think this is relevant - I'm British Chinese - raised in UK. My childhood was incredibly strict. Expectations were extremely high - if I didn't have perfect handwriting, if I got a B instead of an A, if I even offered an 'opinion' that was not in the same of theirs. I would get a beating. Usually in the form of 1metre long thick bamboo sticks or long chopsticks. Several strokes on hands, legs, bottom. Sometimes slippers, sometimes the back of the "old style" telephone receivers.

My mother's temper was the worst - especially when I dared raised a different opinion or if I dared to read a free reading novel or book that wasn't academic. I remember her scaring away my friends who came to our house to celebrate the end of our A-levels saying I wasn't allowed out! I remember the day before leaving to go to University and the fact I was leaving home, that I was never ever allowed back. And to NEVER ask for their help again and how much of a disappointment I was to them as I didn't fulfil their idea of a dutiful quiet Chinese daughter. I think I had a thread of my own somewhere before on mumsnet of how abusive my parents were.

I think particularly in Chinese families - coping strategies that are so available in Western families have only just recently come to the surface with the younger generations. All this 'time out', 'naughty step' kind of disciplinary techniques were unheard of . I don't know a single Chinese family from our parents generation that had a no hitting rule.

My parents marriage was a farce. My mother particularly took it out on me. It was especially worse the morning after the night my dad didn't come home or came home late. I recall her throwing china plates at me, cutting my hands, scarring me.

My opinion is that back in our parents day, that kind of dictatorial 'ruling with an iron fist' was very much the norm in Chinese families. I know my grandmother was extremely strict. The majority of my Chinese friends had parents like this -particularly if they were from China or other 3rd world Asian countries. Showing pride and any kind of positive emotion - especially physical - was rare. Showing shame and denigration was typical.

I don't EVER recall physically being held or hugged or kissed by my parents during my entire childhood. My siblings recall the same too.

What I'm trying to say - and there is no excuse for the likes of our parents - is that I do understand where you are coming from. Completely. My parents will NEVER EVER acknowledge they did wrong. I do think culturally, in their generation - it's was the NORM. Of course, it is highly abusive and wrong and even if my mother was arrested for the abuse back in those days, she would not have ever conceded. My father on the most part was never seen and if he was, he was always fighting my mum.

I think you need to ask yourself - what will it take to make you happy. You need to live your life with no regret. We don't come from Western families that are genial, happy and loving. Would you feel regretful if you didn't see your dad on his deathbed?

It has taken me best part of 20 years to come to terms with my situation. And although I am in touch with my parents, and fortunately, have a half decent relationship with them. I know they will always deny the abuse they dished out on the basis they did 'what they thought was best'. It has made me very distant from them, and I don't feel the need to be in their lives frequently. But for me, I need to have a (very thin) tie to them. I can go without seeing them for months, if not years on my end. But I will keep in touch with a Christmas card or a 2minute call just to say 'Hello, how are you'. That's enough for them - truly - they don't give that much of shit on the face of it. And it's enough for me. (largely because I've been so conditioned and raised to be a dutiful daughter).

A major part of being Chinese is being 'dutiful' - which you are refusing to play a part in. That's why your parents are reacting the way they are. You will NEVER get any acknowledgement or concession and certainly never an apology.

You will just have to come to terms to it. Don't feel you need to do ANYTHING. Just be who you are.

If you feel for your own well being the need to get in touch with your dad on his deathbed. Then do so with NO expectations from any of your family. Expect nothing. You are only getting in touch for your benefit. That way you can learn to cope and move on quickly.

However, if you don't want to risk your well being today. Then simply don't. You will be grieving but that's ok. Really, they are all but dead. Because to your parents, you are all but dead to them.

I'm sorry if this all sounds harsh. I'm sorry this is a long post as well but I hope you got something out of it. If only to know you weren't alone. But you can move on.

HopefulHamster · 26/10/2016 23:44

Read your other thread. Stay NC. These people should be charged for what they did to you. Sickening.

It is all about control and you have escaped it. Don't let them get you back! What would your younger self want you to if they could choose escape or stay in contact?