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Ex wife am I doing it right or am I fool.

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1DAD2KIDS · 04/10/2016 21:49

Fist of all some basic background to where I am today. My ex wife and former love of my life had an affair a left me and the kids for another man. She was always a difficult woman but I loved her all the same. When I was in the relationship I was blind to the abuse I was under. She would go off her head at me for the littlest thing, she would put me down, attack me sometimes and as well as the affair she had been lying to me about all sorts for years mainly to undermined my trust in my closest friends and family. Because of her lies I nearly lost some good friends. I was blind to all this because I trusted her 100%. She tore my world and kids worlds apart.

Anyway role on to the present. I live with the kids and she lives 100 miles away. We get on fine now and I get no abuse from her (on the whole she is sound). I know the above paints her in a bad light but despite it all I don't think she is evil just a messed up person. I think I married a fraud, maybe she was trying hard to be someone deep down she wasn't. M best guess is some sort of personality disorder. The household is a lot calmer with her gone. The main problem is she is a compulsive liar. I really don't think she knows what the truth is anymore. Her life is a mess I know that. It didn't work out with the bum she left us for (the best way I can describe the bloke, he was no catch). I don't love her anymore (never thought I would say that) but it seems I have some sort of responsibility for her. She has totally fucked her life up and has nothing. Its is a bit of a pain that she lies all the time. She has just told me that she has had to have a few days off work because she has had a break down. That wouldn't surprise me as I often worry about her mental health and I think the enormity of the way she's fucked her life up is starting to kick in now she has no one to look after her. We had it all really. But the trouble is I never really know is this is the truth or a lie to work things to her advantage.

So it is working like this for us. We get on fine now. She is nice to me (not that she was always horrible we have lots of nice loving memories too). I help her out with stuff like her car. No point hating her. We sometimes do things together with the kids. We always spend Christmas together with the kids and we are going on our first little break away together with the kids soon for a couple of night (separate rooms). I think it could be very good for her as it will probably be the only holiday she gets this year. I have paid for the accommodation and will be driving us all up. I will probably have to pay for nearly everything as she say she always skint (that probably is the truth as she earns little working in a popular fast food place). I don't really mind as I am fairly comfortable and it would be the same if we were still married as she never brought in an income. I just hope we all have a nice time (that I am confident we will to be fair) and that it helps my ex wife to perk up a bit and feel a bit happier.

So my question really is am I mad (I know I am in general) to be so friendly with my ex, care about her wellbeing and still supporting her to some extent? Especially after the hurt and abuse she has caused me? Should I be making the excuses I do for her actions because I think she has problems or is she in reality just a dick?

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madgingermunchkin · 12/10/2016 04:49

You really do sound like a lovely man, and your kids are lucky to have one parent who loves and cares for them the way you do.

I do think your current mindset is healthy. Yes it's sad, but you need to protect your children and yourself.

I wish you luck (And a lovely lady who appreciates you, when you feel ready for it!)

SandyY2K · 12/10/2016 06:20

SandyY2K luckily I have my brothers wife on standby for when DD is older and needs so female advice.

That's good. What a shame her mum isn't reliable enough to do that though.

You act in the best interest of your children and that's just priceless. Such a great quality and you're a sweet and kind man.

WittyCakeMeister · 12/10/2016 14:43

Of course she will have good points. She may have lots of good attributes. You don't need to write her off as a bad person, but just understand that she is quite complex, due to upbringing/experiences. She definitely seems to have issues. She could be inherently selfish, or just so messed up in her head that she has to put herself first for 'survival'. It's possible to love and care for someone like that - you should not be hard on yourself about it. Nobody is perfect and being in love is about accepting someone warts-and-all. It just didn't work out between you, so now you need to leave it behind and get on with your life, focussing on making the best situation for your children.

I've come to view my own parents that way. That's why I can see things from the perspective of your kids as they grow older. It's helped to look at them objectively, as human beings, with their own problems and faults. But knowing that helps me to also see and appreciate the good in them. It has also helped to stop me from blaming myself - it's their problems, it's not 'me'.

I'm glad these posts have helped you gain some perspective. At the end of the day we all need peace in our lives. Mulling things over / feeling bitter / disliking her, etc, won't give you peace. If you are trying to help her or save her, it won't give you peace either - because it will never work and you will always be embroiled in all her problems. She's got to sort herself out. Or not, as the case may be.

Neverm1nd · 12/10/2016 18:00

Be very very very very careful if residency isn't yet fully sorted. She could decide to have the kids half the time or even try for more in order to improve divorce settlements. Get advice from a lawyer to find out the various things she month do should she start playing dirty - which is likely at some point. I'm watching someone go through a nasty divorce, and she's realized that time with the kids represents more money going forward. The poor kids are becoming more damaged by the day.

1DAD2KIDS · 12/10/2016 22:55

tipsytrifle - To be fair to her I do trust her with the kids on her own. Sure she is maybe not the most comitial towards them and not the most natural of mothers to them but she would never do them harm. For the first two years of our first child's life I was still in the forces. Due to the nature of my work and turbulent international climate at the time I was only at home 8 months of the first two years. The operational tempo was mad at the time and I was always being sent away. Missed the both so much. That's why I left forces because at the end of the day I needed to put my family before my military career. So my ex was effectively a single mother for over a year. My daughter was fine, healthy and happy. In fact she has never had the will power to stop smoking, except when she has been pregnant. So she did love them enough to do that for them, I know that was very hard for her. She had never done drugs (I honestly believe that of her). That's another thing that surprises me about the man she went for as she was very anti drug. I have a good knowledge and experience of the signs, smells and behaviour of the use of weed. It is of course something I watch out for knowing her exposer to its supply and her current mental state. But as of yet no indications of her using it and I very much doubt she will. To be fair from what I can tell she genuinely doesn't want to be with him anymore as he treats her like shit but she has run out of places to go. Well apart from her parents (who keep offering) but she is too stubborn for that (her stubbornness is very much part of her).

She wont be a third kid on holiday. I know she will be more a help than a hinderence and maximise the activities we can get upto. I know what you mean about creating a confusing image of a family that is not. I not know going forward how things will work out with regards to joint events/activities with the kids. But I will make it clear to the kids as they grow up that we are not to together or a family but that doesn't mean that mummy and daddy cant share in the some of the good times with you at the same time because we love you and we can be decent human being to each other. But of course a lot depends of her and how things plan out in the future.

madgingermunchkin and SandyY2K- Thanks for your kind words. It is difficult to get the balance right. I am looking more to me and the kids needs now and not them of my ex apart from her needs as a mother. Unfortunately a lot of my energy is taken up also protecting us. Now things have calmed down and I hopefully understand a bit more I don't think she is out there to purposely do me harm or cause me problems. But I still need to defend against the whirlwind of her chaotic life affecting ours. So far she has had a few big mad plans that have got me worried but they never turn into anything. My secret nick name for her is Captain Chaos. All I can do is my best for me and the kids and I will keep doing that. I know my way of thinking is not the normal way of handling things but hopefully it works for us.

WittyCakeMeister - thanks for sharing your experience on this. You definitely has some interesting insight. I don't hate the woman she is now as you can probably tell. I worry about and I feel very sad for her. But this thread has helped me to understand that I need to focus on what me and the kids need, not her (although some of these need are interlinked). So it is still important to me that she pulls through and sorts her life out, but that is for her to do not me.

I know very well she is a complex woman with her own issues and demons. I knew this before I married her. She was always a hand full with a fiery temperament. Even when I asked her dad if I could marry her he warned me 'you know what she's like'? I said yes she's difficult but I love her more than anything. He was over moon. So yes I am the mad one for marrying a complex woman in the first place, but I was true love and that's what mattered to me. She knew her faults too I guess. There were a couple of times when she would say very genuinely and seriously to me would you not be happier with someone else. Almost on a sort of downer that she didn't deserve me. Normally after she'd been giving me a hard time for a while and had changed again (looking back she was a bit Jekyll and Hyde). I would the only person I want is you, I would mean that. It hurt me when she would say that because despite all her faults I loved her with all my heart. Not as hurt as the constant accusations of me cheating on her. Although I do confess some of the accusations were so far fetched and bizarre I couldn't help giggling. This would cause her to hit the roof with rage. But despite it all I loved her and knew her faults were part and parcel of her. I though as long as she loved me the same that's all we needed. So she your right she is very complex and you can care for someone like that. Maybe my term to right her off was a bit harsh and over the top. I want her to find happiness and peace but I need to redirect my energy on me and the kids not her problems.

As the kids grow up I am looking to be quiet frank and honest with them. I always think this is best way. I don't believe in feeding pleasant myths. I thing the world would be a better place if more people understood the world is not a black and white place and that people are complex and so is morality. And this is what I aim to teach the kids. So I don't aim to give them the Disney view of the world. They should know that their mum does love them and she is not bad (I don't believe she is per se). But unfortunately she is different to other people and that is why she is how she is. I am sure as they get older they will suss more and more what their mum is like. I think they will learn a lot by the way I treat their mum and talk to her.

Neverm1nd - There is no plan for a residency order. To be honest it is clear to me now she wants the kids as least as possible. She is not stupid. She knows full well that in divorce kids = money and power as is quite often stated on MN. Like I said she has never been a gold digger. She has been fair to me as soon as I asked for a divorce. She has agreed to everything I have asked, probably helped by the fact I have been more that fair and reasonable to her and the way I have acted towards her. She has signed everything I have put her way. Just need some paperwork to come back for the clean break and we are done. I must admit I will be happier once it is rubber stamped. She also asked if she could keep my surname? I said as long as its legal you do what you like. So this is not a nasty divorce that is some relief and of course partly why I am doing things like I am is to avoid such a divorce for everyone's sake.

But of course with her now nothing would surprise me so as I stated before I always have a plan B with her. We could not have a 50/50 arrangement as she lives 100 miles away. My solicitor said its fair enough not to bother about residency as the status quo is well established, the kids are very happy and settled, she is unstable and non other the family either side would support any claim to the kids. Nice of the solicitor not to try and make more money out of me for stuff we don't need. Plus I think its kind of unpleasant to try and get some sort of certificate of ownership (I know its not quite like that) when not needed, sets the wrong mood I think. We are both their parents but one she doesn't want to have the kids and two sadly I don't think she is fit to be a residential parent. I will continue to facilitate her participation in their life as much as possible. I always tell her when things are such as stuff at the school, keep her up to date on what's going on in their life's and their achievements and send her photos. I would never want anything formal and legal to stay she is the lesser parent unless necessary to defend the kids interests against a custody challenge.

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LineyReborn · 12/10/2016 23:07

When she says the new man is being a bastard to her, and she's nowhere to go, and she needs to come back, what will you do?

1DAD2KIDS · 12/10/2016 23:17

Not a chance. I think she know this.

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LineyReborn · 12/10/2016 23:44

You think? Good luck and take care.

1DAD2KIDS · 12/10/2016 23:47

Well either way that is something she would get a very clear and direct response from me

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WittyCakeMeister · 13/10/2016 11:04

A word of caution - but you probably have been told this loads of times....
When you go through Solicitors remember it is in their interests to stir up disagreement between the two of you. The more you disagree, the more money they get. Even though they may seem lovely, at the end of the day they are kind of sales people in disguise.

Go into the Solicitors with a clear view of what you want to go for financially and what you are not bothered about and will let her have. They will tell you everything that you could try to get. They may try to persuade you to go for things you hadn't even thought of, or tell you not to let her have certain things.

Stick to your guns and don't be tempted. You won't have massive legal fees, and importantly, you will be less likely to fall out with your ex and it hopefully won't get bitter.

My sister kept telling her Solicitors 'I just want the house, nothing else'. They were flabbergasted and kept trying to persuade her to go for more - 'You can get spousal support, part of his pension, you can ask for more child support than he's offering..', etc. She just wanted to cut ties with him, not feel dependent on him, stand on her own two feet, and most importantly, keep on good terms. I know your situation is different. I don't mean to preach. Just thought I'd share that in case it helps - best to decide how you want the division of things to go, before speaking to a Solicitor.

1DAD2KIDS · 13/10/2016 12:15

That what I mean the Solicitor seems fair enough, maybe because she is fixed fee. I said me and my ex want a divorce. She has agreed to sign on grounds of her adultery and we have also agreed on a sum of money and a clean break order. She said that's fine, theses are a fixed fee services. I would have done the divorce myself but literally don't get a minute to myself. So it's money well spent to have someone sort all that for us.

But I know what you mean. My ex told me she went for a free legal advice session and the solicitor basically wanted to take me to the cleaners. She mentioned all them things but luckily my ex is happy with what we agreed and is exactly what she asked for that I thought was fair. Still I will be a lot happier once it's rubber stamped

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1DAD2KIDS · 15/10/2016 18:37

Well for the first time in a while she asked how the kids were and could she have some new photos. That's good for me. I know this sounds sad but I am very proud of the kids so I love it when she asks. It gives me someone to share all their activities and achievements for the week with. Sometimes I just want to tell the world how much I love them and are proud of them and it's rubbish not having someone to share it with. My girls teacher stopped me especially the other day to tell me how well she is doing.

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madgingermunchkin · 15/10/2016 19:45

You sound like a bloody wonderful father. Your girls really are lucky to have you.

1DAD2KIDS · 16/10/2016 18:24

Thank you. They are my kids and my best is all I can do. Not always going to get it right but if I follow my head I can't go to wrong as it has served me well so far. (Not intending to sound a dick) madgingermunchkin I have one girl 5 yo and one boy 1yo.

You know I am starting to really feel that apart from supporting her mothering I have no need to support her anymore. She still has a mother who cares about her. As long as someone care for her that's OK. Because it's a dark world if no one cares for you how much you messed things up or what ever you done. But her personal life is no longer my problem. I feel liberated and a weight off my shoulders.

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Cary2012 · 16/10/2016 19:44

Lovely to hear that you are feeling like a weight has lifted, good for you OP. You're a great dad and I truly hope when the time is right you meet a lady worthy of you.

1DAD2KIDS · 24/10/2016 08:50

Well tomorrow is our Blackpool holiday with my ex and I fear things are not going to run smoothly. I am at the inlaws. My ex is still not here to see the kids. Thought she would have rushed over last night to see them as she live 5 mins away from my inlaws. She said she is a bit of a mess and didn't want the kids to see her like that. Her mums said she text this morning saying she had the crisis team out to her. I don't know what the crisis team is but it don't sound promising.

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ddrmum · 24/10/2016 09:32

Dad, she also made the same promises so you haven't failed at all - you didn't walk away. I think it's admirable that you want to do the right thing for the children and want better for your ex BUT please be careful that your kindness is not seen as weakness. You have enough to worry about, yourself & DC and will have to set quite firm boundaries as if you constantly are there to pick up.the pieces, your ex has no incentive to do it herself & it will make it difficult to move on when you're ready. Always remember that she made the choice to leave.

madgingermunchkin · 24/10/2016 09:33

I'm not entirely sure, but I think the crisis team is something to do with mental health support.

Cary2012 · 24/10/2016 09:55

Yes, crisis team is MH.
Hope you and kids are ok OP.
I don't mean to sound trite, but perhaps this had to happen. If your ex has hit rock bottom, the support she clearly needs may finally be put in place by those best equipped to help her.

1DAD2KIDS · 24/10/2016 22:21

Well crisis over I think. My ex had the kids today and we caught up over a bag of chips as we are all staying at her mums tonight. Yes that crisis team is MH. They seem to have done a good job (the happy pills I think are helping too). She seems happier and perkier. Managed to get a few laughs out of her. I know to a certain extent she is putting a brave face on and I know that she is suffering. She has always put a tough front on but years of marriage and I know the vulnerability and weakness behind the mask. Nearly seen the mask crack a couple of times we she was with the kids. The main thing is she is still coming away with us and the kids will be so happy. Plus I know this sounds sad but I acutely like her company. It is just really nice to have another adult to talk to. Normally it's just me and the kids.

The main thing is I don't fell half a responsible for her as I had done. Yes I am concerned for her, yes I want her to sort her life out and be happy but no I don't feel there is anything I have to do for her. It's now something she has to sort. I can be concerned but her life is her problem. I am sort of proud of myself. No longer do I ask my self what does she need, how can I help her. And I don't feel half as guilty anymore (yes I know feeling guilty was illogical, she's the one that shitted all over me). It's like a weight off my shoulders not having responsibility for someone else's life as well as me and the kids. But yes when I see the pain in her eyes beneath the mask it saddens me. I just think how self destructive. I loved her to the moon and back, I would have given her the world if I could. She had a family that loved her and wanted to be around her. Such great kids. How could she throw that all away? For what? To be uses & abused by a horrible waste of space of a man, broke, depressed and feeling shit? She has lost everything apart from her mum and an ex husband who somehow is still in her corner. The whole thing makes me very sad. I just keep thinking you stupid woman? I fought so hard to save us. So many times I gave her chances to come back to our family. I would have forgiven it all. I never in my wildest dreams though there would be anything she could do to make me stop loving her and file for divorce. But somehow she managed to do the near impossible; make me stop loving her and file for divorce. I guess not everything has a Disney ending.

I got the last piece of paperwork though Fri for getting the clean break done. So providing the court is happy I can finally remove all financial ties. They must have said good things to her as she seems positive about sorting her life. She has started to make arrangements with the bank and creditors. She is looking for a flat of her own. She will not move back to her parents dispite the constant offers. But still what a way to fuck your life up. Cant belive how much debt she racked up in just over a year. She is living with her boyfriend (allegedly ex now and paying lodge to him) and working (full time min wage). She is totally skint and may have to lose her car that I bought her just before we split as she can't afford to run it. I think the wonderful man she left me and the kids for is fleecing her dry. She has nothing to show for it. Hopefully she will put the money we settled for to good and start a fresh new life and find happiness. But all I can do is give her her share of our assets and hope. It's up to her if she makes best of the fresh opportunity. That is for her to desicide.

Yer sorry if you read all this. It sometimes feels so good to think out loud. To end on the plus side; at least we get on well, be cool around the kids together and she is not being a dick about this divorce.

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Funnylady123 · 25/10/2016 09:03

You sound like a lovely man - I am in a similar situation as you and understand how you feel. The kids come first-always. Just carry on trusting yourself to do what's right for your family. Lots of people have said I am mad for putting up with and still helping my ex, but at the end of the day I can sleep at night knowing I am doing the best I can to make all our lives as pleasant as possible.
Your kids will always appreciate the way you have handled things. Just carry on being awesome!

1DAD2KIDS · 25/10/2016 22:25

Thanks funnylady. Life isn't one size fits all. We all have different ways of dealing with stuff and different situations.

I was worried by this holiday. Let's face it is don't think it's the norm to go on holiday with ex who has wronged you so much. But I suppose it's also not normal to be so amicable with such an ex. Bitter and hostile seems to be the norm. But my ex is far from normal and I suppose I have never been that conventional in dealing with things. But I by nature am a problem solver and sometimes problems need an unconventional approach.

So today has been a great success. Yes it has cost me a bit more as she has no money but worth every penny. When I look at mine and the kids last holiday she has been worth having around. We had a great time last time as always but the presence of my ex has made life easier. For example last time on my own with the kids we had to stay and splash around in the shallow bit. This time I could say go on the water slide with one as my ex watched the other. So they both got far more out of it. Another example It was nice to have someone to sit at the table with the kids while I ordered food for example. Busy counter service restaurants like McDonald's are such a pain on your own with a pushchair and two very young kids. Basically I have been able to do more stuff with the kids, with far less kerfuffle. My ex is in the family room, me in the single room. I helped her get the kids to bed and to sleep tonight but it's nice to be going back to my own room knowing I can relax now and she can get woken up early by two excited kids in the morning. It has also been nice having an adult to talk to today too. And in a way since I am grafting with the kids full time it sort of feels right and just that she should be here putting some work in and lightning to load for me if that makes sense? Normally me and the kids have a great holiday but it never seems a break for me because I am always knackered doing my best for the kids. As I lay in my own room and truly feel I can relax for a bit this time I actually feel like I am getting a tiny bit of a break too, which is nice.

We have had a bit of time to talk about stuff and about working together for the kids. Also how we can continue to explain how mummy and daddy are not together but are always here for them. I have felt no wiredNess or awkwardness, just seems to work. I suppose in away because we do have years of familiarity between us. As to the future sure there will be potential spanners in the works as people pointed out. But we can deal with then down the line. But for now it working.

Plus the kids have really loved having their mummy around too. And although not my problem it seems to be doing my ex the world of good as a happy consequence too.

When I look at how bad my life could have been and how horrible and nasty this break up could have been I feel lucky. Maybe I have been too soft, maybe I am being taken advantage of. This approach is very hard work and I am always stuck with having to watch out for my ex's crazy streaks. But I am making a few tweaks and it seems to be working for me. Although putting the past and what has been done to me behind me is not easy. But I honestly think this method is working. Don't know what you guys think?

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Funnylady123 · 25/10/2016 22:32

I think you are the male equivalent of me! We obviously think along the same path - not sure if it's right or wrong but am glad to find someone who doesn't think this way is bonkers.
Enjoy your holiday - life is too short not to grab any chane of happiness or contentment, in whatever form it comes in.

childmaintenanceserviceinquiry · 25/10/2016 22:40

you sound amazing. You are so determined to make this work for your children. Well done. Boundaries are important between adults and it will help you. You are putting up boundaries for good reasons.

1DAD2KIDS · 27/10/2016 21:55

Funnylady123 it's nice to know I am not alone in my thinking. Yes my approach is odd by then I am probably a little odd to.

Anyway sort holiday is over and a great success. The kids have had a awsome time. I have had a awesome time. My ex has had a great time too. Having her come has turned out to be a great move. The kids have been able to do so much more. I have come back not as knackered as normal. Plus me and my ex have both been able to share in the kids enjoyment.

My ex has not been a problem. Bar a couple of her usual things she says that peave me. If I may digress on a rant (I will anyway as that is normal for me). My daughter is very attached to a baby doll that has no clothes. My daughter has named the baby after her brother. My ex said you can't call that baby a boys name it's a girl. It hasnt got any boy parts. I Can't believe she said that to my little girl who loves that doll. I then had to back my daughter up and say no that is a boy and his name is xxxx. FFS it's a doll, it can be whatever my daughter imagines it to be. Anyway it don't have any boy parts too, not that it matters.

OK apart from that (those sort of peaves were the same when we were married) she was sound. We actually got on great. Don't worry not in any romantic or firty way. But we made a good team in regards to the kids, had some good conversations and even a few laughs. Luckily nothing of any awkwardNess that I had worried about as we spent our first valentines and half of our honeymoon in Blackpool years ago. Very much a sense that that was an old life a million miles away. The guy at the hotel was confused about the two rooms. He asked me is that you sister? Probably because it was clear we had know each other for years and there was no sexual chemistry. I said no its my ex wife. To which he said oh and was stuck for words. But she pulled her weight with the kids and didn't do anything crazy. She even offered to take half the holiday costs out of the money she is getting from the divorce settlement. I said dont worry it's OK. I don't do bad for cash and it was well worth the money for the kids enjoyment and lightning to load for me.

So yes very successful and something I would do again. Obviously I still need to keep a tab on boundaries and not letting her take to much advantage. I also know that it may not work in the future if one or both of us get partners. Imagine; see you later darling off for a week away with the kids and ex wife? Doubt that will work. But at least from my side I don't see me being in any sort of relationship till the kids have grown up. And of course I don't know what the future holds in terms of my ex's crazy life. I don't call her captain chaos for nothing.

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