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Opinion please who is right and who is wrong?

112 replies

Curviest · 01/09/2016 21:21

Could you say who is in the wrong here, and (if you like) why. Thank you very much.

Couple get together, he is 27 and (through shyness) only ever had sex with one woman. She is 37, had lots of boyfriends. They are both sex mad, move in together, and it's a very highly sexual relationship: "at it" every day before and after work, and several times over the weekends.

Joint mortgage, expenses shared, then she gets made redundant and can only get a part time poorly paid shop assistant job, so he partially supports her. They are not married and there are no kids.

When she hits 45 she has some gynae probs then hits menopause. High libido suddenly turns to zero libido. She isn't bothered; he is utterly gutted.

She says: "I don't want sex ever again, but you cannot do it with anyone else." She has always been very possessive, and this does not change.

After 3 years of no sex, he calls for a discussion. He says: "I'm only 38, still extremely highly sexed. Sex means an awful lot to me, but I have had no sex for 3 years and I am not happy to live without sex for the rest of my life. Is there a chance that you may get your libido back, or is there any way you would let me have an affair? If not, I think we will have to split up."

She says, "We can't split up - ever. I cannot support myself on my part time shop job. My share of the equity in this flat (if we sell it) isn't enough to buy even a bedsit. Cannot rent as no landlord will accept my two dogs. Besides, this is my home! I have decorated it and made it beautiful for 13 years and I don't see why I should leave just because I won't let you f__ me."

Friends and family say: "you can't throw her out onto the street just for not giving you sex. There is more to a relationship than sex."

So, stalemate.

In your opinion, who is right and who is wrong?

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BitOutOfPractice · 02/09/2016 08:36

I take it you're the man by the way op

Curviest · 02/09/2016 08:36

Thank you very much everyone who posted their opinion.

Just to clarify: She is deffo face with renting for the rest of her life. Even if he gave her ALL the equity she still could not afford to buy, as she doesn't have the income necessary to get a mortgage to top up the lump sum deposit. And without his share of the equity, he'll be renting forever, too.

It's sad as they bought a total wreck of a flat and have turned it into a palace from sheer hard graft & there is a garden for the dogs.

Sometimes each party presents their case so well it's hard to work out who is right and who is wrong. I think she gets people on her side by the clever use of emotive language such as 'Why should I lose my home just because I won't put out?'

And the family & friends who know, some of you were aghast . .. the man has a twin he tells everything to, who then blurted to their dad, and the woman has two bestie confidantes and a grown up DD. So, five people know, plus me.

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Hhmyeahsuremaybe · 02/09/2016 08:37

Who cares about others opinions on why you split, they aren't living it. I'm sure if it was a man working part time being supported he would be called a cocklodger

Curviest · 02/09/2016 08:38

Bit out of practice - nope. And I am a woman.

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Hhmyeahsuremaybe · 02/09/2016 08:40

Sometimes each party presents their case so well it's hard to work out who is right and who is wrong.

Well it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. And neither are to be judged!

Trills · 02/09/2016 08:42

Who cares about others opinions on why you split, they aren't living it.

If I've just split up with my partner and I'm feeling down, it's going to make a difference to me if my friends think:
a - you were well rid
b - that's a shame but it had to be done
c - you were a bit of a bastard there

In the long term it shouldn't affect which decision is the right one, but in the short term it will affect how you feel.

sooperdooper · 02/09/2016 08:43

So why can't she get a full time job? Or at least look for one, I understand well paid jobs aren't always easy to find but she sounds lazy and entitled if she's not even trying to support herself

IzzyIsBusy · 02/09/2016 08:47

Both are right and both are wrong.

But they should split up. Neither party can be forced to stay in a relationship as it then becomes a hostage situation.

Hhmyeahsuremaybe · 02/09/2016 08:53

Trills the op said it's not about her, so coming on here asking for judgement on someone elses situation doesn't sit right with me.

Helloitsmeeeee · 02/09/2016 08:59

I assumed you were one of the partners as you know such a lot about their sex life.

No one is right or wrong, it's not about that is it? If the relationship is not working out they can split up if they want to. It's up to them.

ToffeeForEveryone · 02/09/2016 09:09

I think the woman is deeply unreasonable to expect her partner to live without sex forever just because her libido has disappeared. Like pp have said, just because she doesn't want to have sex, there are other things they could do. I can appreciate her not accepting him having affairs, but completely walking out on the sexual aspect of their relationship and expecting him to just accept this is very selfish.

As for the man "throwing her out on the street", that's utter tosh. Relationships sometimes fail and that's just how it goes, the assets will be divided up and if it's not enough to buy a new place, that's just tough luck. A lot of people are in that position. Trying to guilt trip someone into staying in an unhappy relationship so you can keep your nice house is ridiculous and entitled. She is the one who has changed their relationship and is unwilling to work on it - if that's a dealbreaker for her partner (would be for a lot of people), of course he should leave.

Curviest · 02/09/2016 09:11

I don't think anyone could call her "lazy". She's done all the DIY, decorating, housework, laundry, cooking, gardening, etc for 13 yrs as well as working f/t for a few yrs and p/t since and the place is immaculate. It's him that's got his feet up whenever he's at home.

Hhmyeahsure not "judgement" just opinions, to get a consensus. 9/10th of the threads on MN are asking for members' opinions.

Thanks everyone.

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Curviest · 02/09/2016 09:14

Toffee .... for brevity I omitted to say, they went to relationship counselling and formed an agreement that she would participate in some kind of sex about once a week, but he refuses to do this, as he knows she doesn't want it and would just be "acting". He wants and needs active desire on her part.

They are both v. open about their sex life and always have been. Not the actual details but just that they used to be at it morning noon and night and now down to nothing.

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hellsbellsmelons · 02/09/2016 09:17

Is she on HRT?
This would help her.
My GP told me he doesn't know a single woman GP that doesn't take HRT when it gets to 'that time'
If she is already and it's not helping then she needs to understand that she can't inflict this life on her DP.
Why won't she consider an open relationship?
If she wants them both to stay in the same house it maybe her best option!

JustAnotherPoster00 · 02/09/2016 09:24

Curvist Personally I think you are the woman in question why not be honest about it?

Hhmyeahsuremaybe · 02/09/2016 09:24

Curviest I personally think most threads on relationship board are people looking for advice, support, reassurance, and to hear similar experiences.

Not to decide who is right or wrong in someone elses relationship, no matter how they plead their case (see where I got the judgement feel?)
Even usually when about someone elses relationship, it's asking on their behalf for advice, or as a friend how to help them.

flippinada · 02/09/2016 09:27

There's something really peculiar and off about this post. I can't quite get past the almost cartoonishly childish presentation of the goodie (poor put upon sex starved man) vs the baddie (lazy, entitled, frigid woman). What's that about?

This is two people's lives here and what sounds like the end of a relationship, which is a sad situation that needs to be handled carefully. It's not a competitive spectator sport in which you have a winner and loser with a prize at the end of it.

Waltermittythesequel · 02/09/2016 09:29

This is insane!

He doesn't need to present his case. If he wants to go, he's entitled to. He's not obliged to support her or her dogs!

People are allowed to end relationships whenever they want, and for whatever reason they choose.

It's sad but that's life. I think they should split FWIW.

PsychedelicSheep · 02/09/2016 09:30

Hmm, the first paragraph is very like my relationship, except my boyfriend had slept with way more than one woman before me, he just hadn't had a proper girlfriend. Same ages though, and same highly sexed people/relationship.

We're renting but I am buying a place alone next year as I have 2 kids from a previous marriage and don't want their security to ever be compromised! He can live with us for cheap but I wouldn't put anyone else on the mortgage, or marry them fuck that!

Anyway, enough about me! It is possible to dump someone without their permission. If it wasn't, hardly anyone would split up! He shout leave and give her an opportunity to buy him out if she loves the place so much. Sounds like the relationship is dead so staying would be wrong imo.

gamerchick · 02/09/2016 09:34

Yeah he doesn't need to present anything. The relationship no longer works for him, its making him miserable so he's entitled to leave.

'Things' and 'palaces' are worth fuck all when you're unhappy in your relationship.

FrancisCrawford · 02/09/2016 09:39

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MissElizaBennettsBookmark · 02/09/2016 09:47

Is she for real???!!!!

What an entitled madam. It is not his responsibility to support her.

He should leave and find a new relationship. I wish him luck.

BTW some landlords do accept pets. Just saying.

OnionKnight · 02/09/2016 09:48

He can leave for any reason if he wants to, he has no obligation to support her. The woman sounds a bit of a twat, saying that she can't rent because of her dogs etc.

Why doesn't she get a better paid job?

Personally if I was the man I'd be leaving.

AliceInUnderpants · 02/09/2016 09:53

Everyone has the right to leave a relationship that isn't making them unhappy.

whywonthedgehogssharethehedge · 02/09/2016 09:55

Sounds like shit situation with lots of both sides being right but incompatible.

Zero libido is not her fault and she shouldn't have to have sex if she has zero interest.
However he should not have to live without ANY sex at all for years to come.

She should not have to be alone forever because menopause has fucked with her hormones.
However she's a grown woman and has had at least 3 years to go from part time crappy job to at the very least full time crappy job.

You can't tell someone they have to stay and support you.
However dumping someone for lack of sex sounds very callous.

The thing that sticks out the most is that he appears to have lost respect for her (possibly due to the pressure applied to him) and she appears to care only about him supporting her and not about his feelings.

I don't think the relationship is salvageable. I do think she needs to get full time work. I don't think he should feel guilty and neither should she. They just aren't feeling it anymore. It seems to have become a relationship if convenience and duty rather than love and care. Don't go because I LOVE you wasn't mentioned, at all.

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