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Bad Sex

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StyleItOut · 17/06/2016 08:42

I would really welcome some advice.

I've been with DH for 15 years and we had a good sex life to begin with but it's been going downhill for a long time. My DH often initiates sex in the middle of the night and while I used to enjoy these sleepy sessions when the kids were babies as it was an easy way to reconnect, over the past couple of years they've morphed so the sex is now him doing it to me. He'll cuddle up to my in spoons and with no foreplay have sex with me until he cums. He might touch my boobs, but otherwise he doesn't kiss, touch or speak to me until he's finished when he turns over and goes to sleep. I generally wont have moved at all. It's shit. I don't feel part of it at all, there's absolutely no concern for my pleasure or whether I'm ready.

I don't know why I don't stop him if I don't want it but it almost feels easier to let him get on with it. There was a particularly bad time last year when I woke up to him having sex with me and I felt like I was being raped but again I didn't stop it. I told him afterwards it didn't feel consensual and he was devastated. It didn't happen again for months and he was very careful about getting consent for middle of the night sex until last night when he had sex with me, although I was awake.

This is particularly frustrating as we have an agreement that for the time being I will be the only one to initiate sex as we had a big talk around 6 weeks ago about how although I loved him and that we get on great day to day, I didn't feel sexually attracted to him. He often asked for sex so one of the things we were trying was for me to be in control of initiation so I didn't feel pressured or pestered and it was working.

This morning he asked if he's in trouble and I said I didn't know, that I wasn't sure that I wanted the sex we had last night. We couldn't talk as the kids were around. I find it really hard to handle - like the middle of the night selfish sex guy is completely separate from the daytime guy. This is beginning to impact on how I feel about him generally and sexually. After the event last night I was determined to sort it out but it comes to the day and he's great and I don't want to hurt him.

This comes with the usual statement that daytime him is a hands on dad, does his fair share of chores and childcare, is a feminist, etc etc.

Outside of our middle of the night sex, sex generally isn't amazing and I mainly do it for him. I know great sex and I know what I am missing.

Any advice?

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HelenaDove · 18/06/2016 19:04

Just so its on the record my post above was deleted because it was a derogatory reply to a rape apologist not because i posted something like that myself because i never would.

SandyY2K · 18/06/2016 19:16

So he thinks not always getting your consent is acceptable? You're not his property and he absolutely must get your consent.

He can jerk off in the bathroom from now on.

Petal40 · 18/06/2016 19:29

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Gabilan · 18/06/2016 19:38

Petal past consent is no indication of future consent. And again, what kind of person wants sex with someone lying there unresponsive? How little do you have to care about someone not to check they really want this?

Do your research and find out about rape myths. And rtft. The OP told him she no longer liked this and they agreed no sex until she initiated. She did not initiate.

It's increasingly difficult to be at all polite to rape apologists.

Petal40 · 18/06/2016 19:42

Gabilan ,I will go back and read the post again.and re comment

minatiae · 18/06/2016 19:45

I'm sorry but if he won't accept that it was t consensual then things aren't going to change.

He has raped you and told you he thought you wanted it. Now he's being attentive and apologetic to make you feel bad for saying he raped you. That is manipulative, unacceptable, and disgusting. And in my opinion, you should leave.

minatiae · 18/06/2016 19:46

*wasnt

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Baconyum · 18/06/2016 19:49

It's increasingly difficult to be at all polite to rape apologists.

Pisses me off we have to be tbh!

Petal I posted a link to rape myths up thread.

Baconyum · 18/06/2016 19:53

Not to mention at least one pp pointing out that plenty of victims freeze/flop as in don't say 'stop' or 'no' they're too shocked!

Petal40 · 18/06/2016 19:53

Three times now I've re read the op post...I just can't see how this is rape.....am I really the only one who doesn't see this as rape,but sees it as bad communication.....someone's relationship is on the line here...is there anyone else who agrees with me????.starting to doubt myself now....

Thisisnow16 · 18/06/2016 19:56

Petal has pantomime villain syndrome, it's all clear cut as they wear dark clothes and jump out from behind bushes.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 18/06/2016 20:03

They agreed that she would be the one initiating sex so there was certainty about whether she was welcoming sex and consenting to it. He broke that agreement. So, regardless of whether in this particular instance there was consent or not, implied or otherwise, he demonstrated that he doesn't give a shit what she thinks or wants. Despite what they'd previously agreed between them. That's the killer. He doesn't give a flying fuck. He takes what he wants, when he wants it.

"There was a particularly bad time last year when I woke up to him having sex with me"

That's the rapist, right there. He doesn't kiss her, he barely touches her, he doesn't speak to her, he just does stuff to her.

"Devastated" my arse!

Baconyum · 18/06/2016 20:06

Petal VERY FIRST POST

'There was a particularly bad time last year when I woke up to him having sex with me and I felt like I was being raped' SHE WASN'T even AWAKE!!!

we have an agreement that for the time being I will be the only one to initiate sex

Subsequent post by op

sex with lack of consent (petal this is the very definition of RAPE!)

Stop being a disingenuous apologist and read up on rape myths VERY FEW rapes are committed by strangers

LadyStarkOfWinterfell · 18/06/2016 20:11

Petal
The op HAD a conversation with him where she explicitly SAID she doesn't want or like middle of the night sex and he agreed not to initiate sex. So she fucking TOLD him she didn't want the sex. And he decided to do it anyway. This is not a communication issue.

Redbindippers101 · 18/06/2016 20:12

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LadyStarkOfWinterfell · 18/06/2016 20:14

Redbind we don't need to have been there, we have a woman saying that her husband penetrated her body not only without obtaining consent, but also against her express wishes. He knew she didn't consent. That's the legal definition of rape.

MoreKopparbergthanKrug · 18/06/2016 20:14

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Petal40 · 18/06/2016 20:17

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MoreKopparbergthanKrug · 18/06/2016 20:20

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LadyStarkOfWinterfell · 18/06/2016 20:20

Petal the op doesn't need to self define it as rape in order for it to be rape
Lots of survivors of rape don't recognise it as such, sometimes they need to be supported to acknowledge what happened to them. Colluding with people who want to minimise rape and reframe it as bad sex or similar isn't helpful.

JedRambosteen · 18/06/2016 20:23

Ignore redbindippers. They are making mischief on another sensitive thread. Have reported.

I'm also giving petal the side eye right now, as I'm not buying the faux naivety.

Petal40 · 18/06/2016 20:23

Yes lady.....but what is being forgotten is that the op and husband had this type of sex many times,both happy to do so.....I expect he just tried his luck in the night.the op didn't say no,and he took that as the green light....with out her saying no,he assumed yes....what am I missing here?

Petal40 · 18/06/2016 20:24

Ok....I will leave this thread now..side eye means you think I'm a troll...I'm not ...I'm genuinely trying to help....

JedRambosteen · 18/06/2016 20:25

Yawn...