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how to cope in sexless marriage?

284 replies

Jamandcheese · 16/06/2016 03:05

Does anyone else have a marriage with no sex? If you do, how do you cope without that intimacy?

We have sex probably once or twice a year. Last June being the last time we had sex. Or kissed properly.

Do you just become used to no sex? Are the hugs and sitting on the couch together enough?

OP posts:
jeaux90 · 25/08/2017 15:27

Helena that is what Floki is describing. Its controlling at best.

BlueDecor · 25/08/2017 17:37

Have a good think about wether you are constantly arguing, nagging, criticising or sniping at each other.
Do either of you insult the family of the other?
Do you have financial problems, bills getting higher etc?
If anything is going to switch off a man's or even a woman's sex drive it's all or any of the above.

rosabug · 25/08/2017 19:34

HelenaDove - Ugh - get over yourself.

rosabug · 25/08/2017 19:45

Jamandcheese. The thing about it only happening when away from home rings a bell with me. I could count on it during hols for example but when that stopped I knew we were in trouble. This might point to your partner being dissatisfied with himself and his life and feeling stuck in a rut. And you need to talk - even if the honesty brings up stuff that burns. In the end I think my weight and general fitness were an issue for my partner as he was super fit, but he felt guilty about saying this. Not the only reason though....longer sad story!

Watch this - it may give you some clues.

SandyY2K · 25/08/2017 20:27

Floki, I knew someone in your position. My advice to him was not to ask or hint at sex ever again.

Being rejected was getting him down. I suggested he pursued outside hobbies and do things to raise his self esteem, because he wasn't ready to leave the marriage. Mainly due to financial reasons.

After about 3 months, his wife got upset and said he must be having an affair, because he hadn't asked for sex. She liked having the control and the ability to turn him down. It's not that she actually wanted sex, but she wanted him to want it and be able to say no.

I would actually suggest that you have counselling to find yourself and not accept the enforced celibacy.

The way you wife speaks to you, it doesn't sound like she has any respect for you. If you don't respect a man, he won't be attractive in your eyes.

Work on you.

HelenaDove · 25/08/2017 21:16

I think i will let Rosas remark at 19.34 speak for itself.

In the meantime here is an old thread as just one example of what i meant.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2154959-The-ache-of-the-absence-of-affection-in-my-marriage-is-very-hard-to-bear

HelenaDove · 25/08/2017 21:17

its not my thread in the link btw.

rosabug · 25/08/2017 22:06

HelenaDove - i'll let your initial "I'm not being rude but..." remark speak for itself as well. I suggest focusing on the OP and stop trying to put others posters 'right'.

thefalloutwillbeawful · 25/08/2017 22:39

Ha - have been intermittently reading this thread, and that link is to an old thread of mine Shock.

The upshot of it is - after a lot of other dysfunctionality - that I have just this week filed for divorce. It's going to be a long and painful road as H is not engaging in the process at all and will make things difficult I think - but I have lost that horrible feeling of living a fake life. Pretending to be happily married. Married and untouched. So that part feels much better. I no longer have an endless unmet yearning as I am basically single now, even if nothing has been resolved at all separation wise.

HelenaDove · 25/08/2017 22:57

fallout Thanks I linked your thread to show an example of emotional abuse. Are you still having to live with him? Im on your old thread under a diff username.

rosabug there are other posters on this thread all posting to each other and bouncing ideas of each other.

thefalloutwillbeawful · 25/08/2017 23:11

Hi helena - yes we are living together but in complete silence - which is making day to day life easier (though I hate the thought of what the atmosphere is doing to the kids), but when he eventually does engage with what's going on, I think he will make it very hard.

(Now I am wondering which poster you were on the old thread Grin).

yetmorecrap · 25/08/2017 23:18

There does seem to be a thing that we should all feel this way to infinity. Presumably it's not allowed for interest to decline post 45 anymore from either sex , I appreciate if one partner is still very up for this and the other isn't it can create issues but I find it bad that people feel pressurised

HelenaDove · 25/08/2017 23:35

yetmore. NO ONE should be forced into having sex they dont want.

No matter what the circumstances.

404yme · 26/08/2017 02:44

Was in a (virtually) sexless marriage for 15 years. It is like death by 1000 cuts if one person wants it, but the other doesn't. My ex made me feel dirty and seedy whenever I brought the subject up (maybe 2/3 times a year) or suggested counselling. Life is not a rehearsal.

ladamanera · 26/08/2017 08:18

Floki a few casual things you said about not taking control or wooing your partner chilled me.
Its easy for posters to flock to say "poor you" and things like "if you are a good husband sex is part of the equation".
However I would also say though that you are seeing sex as transactional too, if you describe making her feel desired ("wooing" her) as just a motion to go through for access. It is not a motion!

My partner used to be like this - he wouldnt take control in any area, wet blanket style. It was awful. For me, carrying the entire responsibility of the family for some "whatever, darling, I'll just follow you" weakling was a complete turn off - I dont want to shag a child- and entirely different from how he was before we settled down- which was cheeky dynamic, a doer in life. Someone with his own mind. I remember he used to have opinions and knowledge that blew me away- but he seemed to have sacrificed those in order to make me his mum- to dodge administrative or domestic drudgery- or at least thats how it felt. That in order for me to take on all the housework etc, he'd happily walk two steps behind. Like it was respectful or flattering or something to let me "win" and therefore get on with doing everything?
Bullshit. He just didnt want the responsibility.

Anyway, this was the same when he talked about sex. It was mealy mouthed hinting in a creepy way- when it used to be pushing up against a door. the problem was the hinting was very remote from me- he was "horny,"but not necessarily for me, he didnt look at me or touch me or compliment or want me like he used to- these creepy "sex-time" announcements were made after Id finished putting two kids to bed and cleaning up all the crap after cooking and was settling down to do the car insurance- his horniness was never directed at me, just hinted at "in general". I think I was meant to oblige by lifting my skirts, as it were, and that felt Very transactional. In fact it made me feel like he saw me as an object to ejaculate into. Being that, was yet another chore.

After the "wooing" as you put it (or "attention", as Id put it) from the beginning stopped, I felt so unattractive to him- and so cheated- where was the spine of the man Id met? Was he with me because I was gullible enough to let him coast on me?
somehow he'd positioned himself where I had all the "control" but really I was just a housework performing sex vessel to him who wandered around having a drudgery-free quiet life occasionally hinting that I should also service him. He was My oldest child. But I hadnt set out to control the purse strings and household affairs and bedroom door. Id set out to have a partnership.

Long and short of it- I realised i was beingg manipulated and after years of heartache I gave up and I fucked off.
That fucking off seemed to grow him some balls. I choose to think it wasnt just the growing pile of dishes in the sink and the convenience of being driven everywhere. but being single again he started to remember who he used to be. He read books. He made the bed in the morning. And he remembered how to respect and fancy me again.

He did a spectacular turnaround and now steps up to the household stuff - we share so i have spare time and sleep and not days of resentment- so I have mental headapace for sex. and if he wants sex with me, he directs it to ME. As an individual, not a vessel. And me to Him. As a consequence of havig a fully functional man as a partner again and not a sulky child my libido has gone through the roof. We are sharing and so much better for it. Happy ending!

Dadaist · 26/08/2017 12:42

Ladamanera - that's probably the most useful and helpful post I've seen in a long time - and thank you for taking the time to post it!
The real shame is (especially women) feel that they cannot just tell their partner what they need from them - as if it's cheating to give clues as to how to feel loved and happy. The so often retorted 'why can't he see?' is confounded by the often hostile response to attempts to balance control (e.g. telling DH he's done it wrong when he takes responsibility-- creating bad feeling, distance, which just feels like it's making things worse - so he backs off again!) - and that is what Floki is going through I suspect?

It seems to me that it can actually be the ability to transcend the initial resistance that is the key to rebalancing relationships. And the lack of sex is so closely related to imbalance of control, responsibility, shared housework and finances.

Floki · 26/08/2017 14:12

Last two posters talk a lot of sense.
I probably do come across to all and DW as eldest child. I can see that. I defer to her all the time in all as she holds the financial strings - asset rich and can aways access to money if needs to.
I do more household chores than she probably does - in addition to my job but that just makes me come over as house boy.
I've not got the money to treat her to the stuff she likes - designer stuff - and haven't a clue when it comes to buying her stuff she'd like.
I worry about work all time (problems of own making) and she gets annoyed at that so that doesn't help.
I'm aware I come across here as having my own pity party (phrase my DW uses toward me) but difficult to get out of it. Counselling just begun and it might help but not sure.
Point I'm making is whilst I do come across as totally weak, it's not because I do nothing but that's not the solution. Being a real man is, the sort of man her friends have who are positive, buy gifts now and again and not moping around is the solution.

Floki · 26/08/2017 14:14

Sulky child. That's me as well at times. Lot of sense spoken above as I say.
Need to be more positive.

Dadaist · 26/08/2017 15:21

Floki - I think for a start you should open your own thread on the site, as I've noticed that this was actually somebody else's thread has now disappeared! And instead of asking about your sexual relationship (or lack of it) - try delving into the issues of equal partnership, balance of power, and being treated with respect. See it as a path to improvement, which will serve you regardless of whether or not you turn your relationship around your marriage. I think the counselling is an excellent idea, and I think that a good counsellor will make a great deal of difference.

ladamanera · 27/08/2017 23:35

Floki I think we can all get in ruts and ways of being seen that arent our whole selves. I posted what I did (and thank you for reading it in the way it was intended) because here was a happy ending but it took two open people some really frank times together to realise we hadnt been open with each other at all. I had always "not cared about money" so I found it very difficult to say that i didnt want to hold the purse strings because I worried it sounded materialistic. Turns out apparently he felt similarly - he had never "seen men and women as having fixed roles" so he didnt want to challenge me on things in case he sounded misogynistic. What happened was a whole lot of resentment. I think there are ways to salvage this but it will mean a dynamic change in your relationship, a lot of courage and compassion from both sides, some really angry chats, some tough listening instead of getting cross- some behavioural changes- and essentially, not leading with the results (sex) first. Then if both of you are on the same page (so, a bit of luck) it may get way better. But as it involves how you both see each other fundamentally this is no easy road. Good luck xx

Xniceguy · 29/08/2017 14:17

I very rarely get sex off my female.OH..yes I'm male. Says she is too tired but then stays up watching TV.. obviously doesn't fancy me anymore..we may have sex 5 times a year if that..she always argued with me about the smallest thing and blows it up into something major,I think this is a way to distance herself from me so I will not try to instigate sex..been like this for years. She has flirted with other men online a few years back..I caught her out and we split for 6 months..we got back together and now have 3 children( just 1 child when she was flirting)..think if I was someone else she would be having sex with me..I have had other females take interest in me so I can't be that repulsive..I was my OH first and only ( I think) lover and maybe the grass is always greener..I don't bother trying to have sex anymore as the rejection hurts..anyway..just my thoughts

IceQueenMelting · 29/08/2017 15:09

Hi, I was in a pretty sexless relationship for a fair few years.
He always made me out to be the one who wasn't interested and the one rejecting his advances. I would say it was the other way around and he would only show interest in getting it on when it would have been impossible (e.g. with the kids around) but would never come to bed for an early night when I suggested it. He had a lot of emotional baggage and anxiety and I was knackered from feeling like the one that had to hold it all together and never show signs of weakness in case it upset everything else.
I hated being made out to be the only one with the problem (there were clearly issues on both sides!) and if anything this made it harder to get back into the swing of things. He didn't understand the emotional support I needed and in the end I couldn't offer the physical without the emotional if that makes sense? So I felt emotionally rejected as well as physically.
Anyway, I guess my feeling on this is both sides need to be happy with the lack of sex otherwise it is likely to cause major problems. And the sooner you can try to overcome whatever the stumbling block is, the better!

Mrswinkler · 29/08/2017 17:07

I'm 2+ years on the other side of this. I realise now I didn't fancy my DP enough. The stresses and strains of living together and then having a child together just opened up the cracks further. I couldn't stand him touching me. But I still loved him. Still do.

He initiated the split. Dreadful at the time but it was the right thing. We have a close co-parenting relationship. Still get grumpy with each other. Still don't fancy him. But couldn't do without him in my life even if he weren't my son's dad.

Now dating, not wanting another live in relationship. FWBs, enjoy their company, value their friendship, love the sex.

tdh1972 · 04/09/2017 08:05

Hi,
I'm 45 and my wife is 44. We've been together for 23 years and have two kids. Our sex life was good for the first couple of years and then started slowly declining. After kids (12 years ago) it got worse and for the last decade we've been averaging once a month. It's caused endless arguments and threats to leave (from me) over the years and finally we've become celibate. We still sleep in the same bed and that's not a problem for me, it's actually preferable to the 10-mins once a month, which is just soul destroying. Since we completely gave up things have actually improved between us, because the almost constant resentment isn't there. To people who have a 'normal' sex life, it might seem awful , but having it occasionally (and only being good a few times year) is actually worse. The false hope that things 'will get better' and then the awful realization that they won't, over and over again is much worse. Once I gave up all hope that they would improve, I've found it liberating to be freed from all of that is a relief.

How much longer we can go on like this I don't know, but I survived over a decade of drip-feed, so I guess I can take it. Since becoming celibate I've given serious thought to 'moving on' but we have a comfortable life and the thought of not being with my children is very painful. I suppose we will split and probably within a year. My wife doesn't like to talk about it and has told me she wants me to stay (even though there is no physical contact between us). Basically she behaves as if nothing has changed. It's a very odd situation.

LionelMessy · 05/10/2017 21:15

Helpful reading last couple of pages of this thread.

Ladamanera - Sat 26-Aug-17 08:18:53 - superb post

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