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What the hell are we going to do now? PIL related. Long :-(

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WokenupinaNightmare · 08/05/2016 21:06

Ok, long story short. I hope. (I normally lurk) I need some outside perspective from wise Mumsnetters. I think I'm losing touch with what is 'normal'. and I have already learned so much on the Relationships board

My PIL are lovely, decent, hard-working people. Well educated, 'up-standing pillars of the local community' sort. After my difficult childhood (severe family illness) and various life changing events, I was over the moon to meet and fall in love later in life, with my wonderful now DH. Also quite delighted to discover he had a pretty amazing family who were great achievers in all areas. They were all extremely welcoming towards me, although MIL could at times be rather suffocating in her enthusiasm (her son and I had met in our 30's and as the last to settle down, maybe she was panicking slightly that it wouldn't happen for him). We were extremely lucky to have a little financial help from them to buy our first house and I am always telling them how grateful we are.

It was no secret to her children that MIL wanted grandchildren. They all knew there was a family heirloom waiting for the first grandchild to arrive. I was also slightly perturbed to hear it was family knowledge that one of her DIL's was "already on the folic acid" during their wedding planning. No pressure then. Luckily, they were rewarded with a honeymoon conception and MIL -beaming- duly congratulated them on their achievement.

Now, I should add that MIL has high anxiety levels. They have been described as 'neuroses' but if I listed them here, you may have different ideas. They also like to be very 'involved' in their grown up children's lives and with extensive life experience have lots of wisdom that has to be shared. They also like to know as much as possible and often worry -unnecessarily- when they aren't involved. I understand in the past, they have never refrained from commenting when they did not think any potential in-laws were not suitable, particularly if they were foreign and could take their child/grandchildren abroad This understandably has caused some tensions.

DH & I were able to date, get engaged and plan a small wedding without too much discussion intervention At the time, MIL was pre-occupied with the other siblings, mainly how they were bringing their children up and other wedding plans. She became quite ill with anxiety and stress during this time, perhaps because the siblings had their own plans/lives and she wasn't happy about some of them (PIL tend to ring the other siblings and share the stress out during these dramas). I am aware that one sibling's calls had to be screened by FIL as she was too ill to talk to them directly and another sibling had threatened to go NC with PIL if they continued to be 'over-involved' with their child-rearing ideas. Or 'concern' as it is labelled.

There were a couple of calls about bringing our wedding forward (why? it was the winter! brrr) etc On the whole though, during our short engagement they were very kind and supportive, offering lots of help and even donating a small sum towards the modest costs (very low key wedding).

Both DH & I are quite private people (as are PIL) and as we don't consider ttc a team event, never announced to all that we were going to try for a family. (Even though they had quizzed DH about it before the wedding - to ensure it was going to happen I assume). Less than five months after our wedding (with as yet no pregnancy announcement) MIL asked to have a private word with me. She said she knew that I enjoyed my career and that I had worked hard to gain financial independence, despite my difficulties in life. She suggested it might be difficult for me to give that up. Therefore, to make it a bit easier for me, she wanted to give me £10,000 to support me during any maternity leave (!) Bizarrely I was already 6.4 weeks pregnant and we were planning on telling them after our 12 week scan. Unfortunately, I had been bleeding AND feeling extremely ill and didn't handle my -surprised- response clearly and assertively enough. I was also in the throes of a severe chronic illness (at that time undiagnosed) and mumbled politely that it was thoughtful, but if she wanted to give money then it would belong to DH and it would be up to him how to use it. I would have told her that I was pregnant anyway, but had a bad feeling about the bleeding and knew she'd be upset, so I didn't. After she left the house, I miscarried. The pregnancy was over but chronic illness continued.

The next 18 months have been a blur of uncharacteristic continual severe illness, misdiagnosis, countless hospital visits, medical letters, scans and finally, a diagnosis and PIP application/ill health retirement. We didn't make it headline news amongst everyone we know (we weren't sure what was happening ourselves) but DH kept his family informed. During this time, I was unable to attend any family/friend events and lost touch with so many people. It was a horrid time, but I attempted to keep in touch by group e-mail and also sent copies to PIL. My friends were amazing! During my illness -where I was housebound most of the time- PIL held group meet-ups, but rarely came to the house, so I did not see them much at all.

MIL was extremely anxious when we discussed my illness with her at the beginning and sent me to her recommended alternative practitioner to see if it would help. I gladly went, feeling so ill, but it became another treatment we tried that did not work. We did not share our miscarriage with them on top of me being ill. (MIL has experienced terrible fertility issues/lost a child in the past and I could not face involving anyone in our grief, especially with the inevitable anxiety! I had enough of my own by then). Anyway, we would soon be pregnant again wouldn't we and give her some happy news. Well, I did get pregnant on a further two occasions and devastatingly lost them both, one between hearing the heartbeat for the 2nd time and getting a scan picture (10 weeks) and the 12 week scan. The chronic illness may or may not have contributed and it was a scary, unpredictable time for us both. We clung to each other and survived through it, thank goodness. My maternal age was advancing and I know my Dh was desperate for children. We had the inevitable discussions about whether we should separate and he should have a second chance with someone younger/more fertile. He was always adamant that it had taken him so long to find me, he wasn't letting go of me now, children or no children. I was very keen to keep trying (not very wise in hindsight) but he was a lot more realistic about our chances and although sad, said he had let that go now. He could see that I was too unwell. The pressure was off. Are you still with me? Confused

DH told PIL about the miscarriages very soon after the last one (16 months after the wedding) and said that it was not looking very hopeful for us now. MIL sent me a lovely e-mail about how horrid MC's were and that they were thinking of me and the only thing that mattered was to get better again. They sent round lots of vitamins/healthy drinks and cooked food. Very thoughtful as I was so ill. Sadly, I did not improve and of course did not go out or see people. I asked PIL to come and visit (they often are near seeing the other siblings) but they seemed rather elusive. I believe that because of their anxiety, DH did not perhaps be as honest about how ill I really was. There were lots of other issues in the family (more fertility angst elsewhere) and with his DM's health, he only focussed on the positives. i.e. the days I had got upright and left the house briefly. MIL did ring me to wish me Happy Birthday which was thoughtful. But she was concerned that DH was not getting out enough and wanted to know did he still see his friends? (NOT on my priority list to be honest).

During my mostly housebound and awaiting a diagnosis months, PIL would travel to the area to see some of the siblings and meet DH from work for lunch to catch up. He would come back with various updates. I.e.

*MIL thought we were becoming socially isolated (er, hello, did you know I was ill and rarely seeing anyone -not even my own family- and I was relying on DH for care?!! AND I had invited PIL on numerous occasions).

*MIL was extremely concerned that we weren't in touch very much with the siblings (er, the ones with children or are triumphantly pregnant you mean? I think my DH struggled with this as much as I did)

*MIL was worried that Dh would not have children and should freeze some sperm (DH pointed out to her that as we had stopped trying, unless I had been hit by a bus and he would have to go ahead and meet someone else in the future, that it would not be necessary). MIL came back the next day with another sibling to convince him and MIL would pay for the sperm freezing storage costs. He declined.

*Following another long call between DH and MIL, a letter arrived in the post. It was a newspaper article stating that the UK was short of sperm donors and MIL thought that if DH signed up for it that it would "take the pressure off" and wished us both luck (!)

MIL seemed to be avoiding visiting me during this time and I became upset that she didn't visit or seem to understand how ill I was. I felt I was being pushed out and she was becoming a little 'over-involved' with discussions that did not seem to involve me. DH then decided to share this with her (to improve relations?) and she arrived unexpectedly on my doorstep weeping when he was at work. She was upset that we had not told her about any of the pregnancies (none had ever reached 12 weeks) and that I was "secretive". She was also very upset that I had not even told her about the MC when she was round here last offering the money. Truthfully I told her I did not know it was a MC at the time, as I'd never had one before. She then shared her own distressing fertility struggles (about burying babies) with me and although I wish she hadn't (it made me cry) I understand she was probably trying to empathise/get closer. I was too ill to really engage with her -or anyone else.

Life carried on, both with me not recovering and MIL going back to not visiting me but DH from work. I asked PIL to visit by e-mail, telephone call, or through DH. I offered to cook (would have taken me a week) or to travel to visit them and take food (so that MIL wouldn't have to cook). Her anxiety during this time was sky high (other family issues) and she had a huge panic attack in public. DH said she was too ill to visit me (but seemed to manage to get to the other siblings ok). During an argument, he then confessed that MIL thought that I had been stringing DH along all this time. Putting the wedding off as long as possible during dating (I was waiting for him to propose!) and making sure I was too old to have children, so it would be too late. It explained so much. I guess when there was no pregnancy news over 16 months of marriage, they became ? fearful?

I continued to be ill, and trying (& failing) to make arrangements and see people. I'm a very sociable person normally and the isolation was driving me crazy! Last year we organised to travel and go and meet PIL (I was hoping it would improve relations). Unfortunately they decided to turn it into a bit of a celebration and invited other siblings along. DH and I had been hoping for something small and low key which we had discussed with them (without staring at pregnant bellies) so he cancelled politely by e-mail 48 hours before. MIL e-mailed a lovely brief reply, but there was some panicky phone calls the day after about why he had suddenly cancelled, so DH had to send another reassuring e-mail out to them that he was fine, just weary.

On the evening of the day we were due to originally meet, PIL drove 50 miles for an unannounced visit to us. MIL was very teary and clingy with DH. She turned sideways to me, would not look me in the eye and ignored all attempts by me to engage and set a date so they could come and visit for lunch. Later we discovered that PIL thought that DH was suicidal as his cancellation was 'uncharacteristic'. He has NO idea where that idea came from. (With suicide in my family I was careful to discuss this with him at length!).

This has gone on long enough! Are you still there? Sorry. I could write so much more but wanted to provide a balanced account of the main events. I have been ill for so long and had so much time to think about what has happened but I'm not sure I am strong enough to see solutions to this. Disclaimer: The illness/ recurrent miscarriages has triggered anxiety and depression, which although under control now, has had me doubting my judgements/feelings.

The happy news is that now I have a diagnosis, I have an amazing medical support team and I have clear information I can share with family/friends. I have been advised to surround myself with people who can really support me during my potential recovery -fingers crossed that happens- and to avoid anxiety where possible. I still find the behaviours of MIL upsetting and their long anxiety-filled telephone calls to DH very difficult. I can't list their fears/neuroses for fear of outing myself, but they are long and varied and at times quite extreme. All very tiring. (One being that I took their offer of money the wrong way, even though it was kindly meant etc. I see some blame coming my way.....).

My doctor has suggested that DH tells PIL they are not to ring the house or visit. How is that going to do down?! Ulp. My husband is the kindest, most caring, calm, loving, individual. He tends to be the peacemaker and is quite adamant that they do everything through love and do not intend to offend. However, even he seems to be on the edge over this recently and appears hesitant to be in touch with them.

Any advice or suggestions? They are intrinsically lovely, thoughtful people and I am quite devastated that I have lost a relationship with them due to MC and illness (rarely see my own family). I'm not sure what to do next. What would you do if they were your PIL? I hope there is someone still reading?..... If so, then thank you!

Now we can all go and have a long lie down! Grin

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WokenupinaNightmare · 09/05/2016 20:16

Don'tMindMe your post is brilliant. I am sorry to hear about your DP's arranged marriage plans for you and that they 'suffered' when you refused. Good on you for choosing your own path. So pleased that they are not still punishing you for it. Best of luck!

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RunRabbitRunRabbit · 09/05/2016 20:18

Ah, Woken there's the problem. You are my DH in this situation. Not the other way round. You can walk away, you haven't been trained from birth, you can see it for what it is.

By recognising yourself as an interested outsider you can start asking him the calm measured questions. It will likely help you to detach too.

Remember, all this drama is directed at him. He is the child who is being controlled. You are "interchangeable wife". If he swapped wives with someone you would be exempt and the new wife would get the hassle. You are just a means (or blocker) of their control of him.

When he starts seeing them for what they are then your life will get magically easier.

WokenupinaNightmare · 09/05/2016 20:20

Off to bed now before I crash. This is the most productive -and positive- day I have had in a long while Smile so thanks all.

Still need to make the decision about sharing this thread with DH tomorrow evening.....

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WokenupinaNightmare · 09/05/2016 20:23

Cross posted with Rabbit Lightbulb! Yes, I am the interchangeable wife and therefore it is easier to step back. This isn't about me really. Thank you! Flowers

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Makesomethingupyouprick · 09/05/2016 20:29

Glad you found it helpful OP!. I have a dual perspective having worked in MH for years and also like you; experiencing anxiety and depression myself. Luckily only for a few months.

I literally couldn't consider other people when I was ill. Logically I did, and I'd feel guilty about being a burden or annoying or whatever but it when it came to me feeling anxious/depressed right this minute about an interaction with someone, a random thought I had or an issue in a relationship; my thoughts about others went out of the window.

As you said, anxiety is the most horrible feeling and if I felt that might be alleviated even slightly by another person reassuring me then I tried to make it happen regardless of what they may be dealing with in their own lives and my anxiety would get out of control.

Something simple but irrational so e.g thinking my Mum is ill but not telling me because she knows I'm anxious and doesn't want to upset me. And as you said, it's common to keep things from someone we perceive as anxious because we don't want to upset them/make them worse.

So I'd text 'are you okay? You're not ill?'. 'No darling, I'm fine'. Oh but of course she'd say that even if ill and there is a weird tone (that only me in my anxious state could imagine!). Or worse, no reply. 30 minutes no reply even when i'm anxious - probably busy. More than that, oh God she can't reply because she's dying but won't lie to me. She's talking to the rest of the family about how to tell me. She's not at work now and usually replies quickly, there's no other reason than a bad one why she isn't replying...so I'll send increasingly frantic and irrational texts because I so desperately need her to tell me it's all okay and she's been out with friends. Which happened! I sent over 20 texts in a few hours that night.

I would have turned up at her house if it was possible at the time.

I look back and cringe and think wtf? I'm just thankful I only felt like that for a short time. I know people who feel like that all the time and have done for years. I couldn't live like that.

OrlandaFuriosa · 09/05/2016 21:56

Op, my DH would not think of adopting when it looked as though we couldn't have children. Nor would my own DF . It's not my take, but it seems to be a fairly usual a male one, interesting speculation as to why...

It took ages and some exceptionally bad behaviour by my Mil before DH saw how controlling she was. I had to persuade him to pick up the phone to avoid going bitterly NC with her after one outrage. . But we too set limits, eventually. I had been completely unprepared for juggernaut behaviour and it used to enrage me. He is a gentle soul who loved his DM dearly and was caught in a hard place.

But the limits we eventually established were that I accepted that they spoke on the phone every evening ( she was a widow living by herself) for about 45 mins;, we or increasingly he saw her every so often, he regularly; on a couple of occasions he took time off to go on holiday with her or rescue her; and he learned, through counselling , to say, thank you for your advice. We appreciate it. But my view is x and this is what we are doing.

I do hope things go well for you.

OrlandaFuriosa · 09/05/2016 21:57

Ps If you want to cheer yourself up with comedic MILs, watch Whisky Galore. The old besom gets her reward...

WokenupinaNightmare · 10/05/2016 10:33

RunRabbit I hear what you're saying about not being the one who has been trained from birth and therefore I could step back and ask my DH the Q's. I haven't been able to do this and I'm glad you brought this up because I'm questioning why.

I think partly it's because I have also had lifelong training - but in making other people happy (beginning with my DM with poor MH) so I don't like to upset people. My PIL are generally nice people and I wanted them to be happy too. Because they are part of my lovely DH. Both DH & I have avoided confrontation, so neither of us handled it well and set firmer boundaries.

I'm so pleased Makesomething shared her battles with anxiety and described it so eloquently. Thank you. It was very reassuring to recognise my own battles here. So not only am I a people-pleaser, I had a massive dose of anxiety (which I didn't recognise at first) on top of the physical illness and I was dealing with Juggernaut behaviour from 'concerned' PIL (thank you Orlanda I'll borrow that phrase)

Like you Orlanda this enraged me too and with all of the above contributed to a lack of clear and reasonable communication with my DH.

Though sad and frustrating to realise, this is all really helping.... Smile

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WokenupinaNightmare · 10/05/2016 10:49

Interesting that you say about your DH not wanting to adopt either Orlanda. I am willing to go along with whatever my DH thinks would be right for us, so if adopting is out, that's fine. It's all theoretical at the moment anyway, due to this stupid illness.

Sorry to hear about your own MIL troubles and how it took ages before you found some solutions. Both my DH & I are gentle souls and this has caused so much pain and grief - alongside the other grief about losing health, career, babies, etc

Perhaps my DH would be helped by individual counselling too, especially as I can't currently make it. He has so many more things going on in his life too, so not sure how possible this is.

Orlanda I like this bit:

thank you for your advice. We appreciate it. But my view is x and this is what we are doing

My view, not my wife's.

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WokenupinaNightmare · 10/05/2016 11:11

And Tarty, MeMySon, Rumbling, Poosey, thank you for your thoughts. I have re-read your posts and appreciate some of the reminders/truths. There is so much more I could say, but I'm not sure it would help.

Maybe discussing things with the other siblings may be something DH should try? We aren't on the same page on lots of things, but on this we might be.

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WindPowerRanger · 10/05/2016 14:36

My mother is like your MIL. Anxious and needy, to the point of being actually ruthless in getting her needs met. Those needs include being the sole focus of attention and wanting her emotions dealt with rather than having to deal with anyone else's. And yes, believe it or not, she is also a wonderful person. It's the combination that is so difficult. It is possible to feel both deep resentment and admiration for her at the same time.

Unlike your DH's family my siblings and I speak openly about it to each other and our spouses. We feel they need to respect the fact that we love our mother and intend to keep her in our lives, while they need us to respect the fact that dealing with the Mum nightmare is a great deal harder for those who were not born to it.

So the children police the boundaries and the spouses often disappear to get some space. The spouses do provide the outsider perspective for which we are grateful.

And yes, I am overwhelmed with sadness that this is where we are, because as a child my mother drove me mad but loved me unconditionally, and I never expected her to be made a family joke because we have to laugh or we will explode.

Anyway, the point is, your DH can do right by his mother and you. He will, however, have to accept that this will involve standing up to her, limiting her, sometimes upsetting her and getting a proper adult distance from her. It is hard (though ultimately rewarding), but if he doesn't want to end contact with her, he will have to try.

WokenupinaNightmare · 10/05/2016 15:32

Wind it is interesting hearing how you have handled it. This is a positive statement of yours I will definitely remember:

We feel they need to respect the fact that we love our mother and intend to keep her in our lives, while they need us to respect the fact that dealing with the Mum nightmare is a great deal harder for those who were not born in to it.

The children police the boundaries

I try and be compassionate towards DH as I do know what it is like to have a challenging DM. It is easier when I can feel secure that he is policing the boundaries. I'm not sure this has happened. It may have done and they just aren't listening (very possible after my attempted conversation with his DF!)

Neither of us want to end contact, so hopefully some more of this will begin to happen.

standing up to her, limiting her, sometimes upsetting her and getting a proper adult distance from her.

It is difficult to do this in person or on the telephone though due to anxiety and constant questioning. They don't text either.

Thank you for your insightful experience. I'm sorry you are overwhelmed with sadness about the situation. Some people have it so easy don't they?

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MusicIsMedicine · 10/05/2016 22:52

I'm so very sorry to hear of everything you've been through.

I identify with some of it. Your health and recovery must be the absolute number one priority now and this means tightening your boundaries to remove needless stresses.

My God, the fact that the PIL are still bringing up their perceived past resentments is simply unbelievable. They should be doing everything possible to help and support you, not berating you. They are bullies and control freaks who offer help on their terms and conditions and treat you as a less worthy human being for illness and circumstances outside your control.

Stand firm. How and when you decided to announce your pregnancies is not their decision, it was yours. How you respond to financial coercion and being bribed is up to you. When or if you have children or not is not their decision, it is yours.

They are full of fear, guilt and obligation - FOG.

Why do they insist on continually bringing up the past and stressing you out at a time when you most need love and support? It is cruel. They are manipulative and controlling.

The loss of health and diagnostic nightmare and isolation and adjustment and grieving associated with pregnancy loss would have finished most people off, yet this toxic pair see fit to stick the boot in whilst you're at your lowest ebb. It's just not on.

I'd refuse to engage in any kind of discussion with them about the past or indeed anything that threatens your wellbeing or causes you stress.

And that's me being polite.

WokenupinaNightmare · 11/05/2016 13:25

Music that is a fantastic post, thank you. You have described exactly how I feel about the situation! Being ill has affected my thought processes and language abilities. Add on some depression and anxiety and it has been difficult to vocalise any of this clearly to DH without seeming completely unreasonable. Reading this as described by someone looking in, will be a lot more useful to him.

I am grateful too that you have acknowledged this:

"The loss of health and diagnostic nightmare and isolation and adjustment and grieving associated with pregnancy loss would have finished most people off,"

It nearly did.

I have been berating myself for not dealing with the situation very well and cross I haven't been able to pull myself out of it. I always have been able to in the past. The isolation has been truly awful too as I have not been able to discuss this with anyone and it just built up. I was beginning to display some of MIL behaviours and that was truly depressing. Poor DH

Thank you Flowers

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WokenupinaNightmare · 11/05/2016 13:35

Star coconutpie, notapizzaeater, mypockets, CruCru, Felloutof, Atenco, Don'tMind, Cabrinha, mrsdoughnut, Tarty, MeMySon, Rumbling. Star

Waking up to your messages on Monday morning was FANTASTIC!! Thank you for taking the time to post. You voiced so many of my thoughts that had been buried for so long. I finally began to feel more 'normal' again and my own anxiety dropped. I felt quite fabulous on Monday! Grin

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WokenupinaNightmare · 11/05/2016 14:17

UPDATE: Another massive cheer for Mumsnetters! Wine

Star Flowers Star Flowers Star Flowers Star Flowers Star Flowers

THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO HAS POSTED HERE! YOU HAVE PROBABLY SAVED MY SANITY AND MY MARRIAGE! Sorry, for shouting Grin

I wish, wish, wish I had been well enough to post about this dire situation 18 months ago. I began to fear DH would be so conditioned by now, that this thread would end in divorce. I finally showed it to him last night with fear and he was extremely positive and laughed at all your user names! THANK GOD!!

He valued every single input and seemed remarkably calm about your comments about his family. I think he must have known most of this all along. We were finally able to have the calmest, most rational conversation about this! The attention about how I felt about his DM was directed away from me into a more rational discussion.

It turns out that he has wanted to intervene in this situation for a long while. His DM's mental health has been so poor he was worried about aggravating the situation any further. He has been a sad witness in the past as to how his DM responds to anything like this and he wanted to avoid that. (As a child of a parent with severe MH problems I can relate). He particularly liked your post makesomething with the MH viewpoint. He has seen the anxiety spiral out of control in the past and watched his DM becoming totally irrational. How do you support someone like that who refuses medication/talking therapies to help? There is no reasoning or reassuring you can do!

However, as I pointed out to him, his MIL has poor MH, but his DF doesn't. His attitude on the phone last week to me was extremely disappointing. Of course he has been on 'the inside' far too long and has become the 'enabler'. I had really started to fear that DH was also in this role and wouldn't see it.

But he has taken away a copy of this thread and I believe will use some of your advice when he sets new boundaries. They are strong, exhausting people, so he needs a good script!

I feel like we're emerging from a dark cave and I want to invite you all around for champagne (still can't drink Sad) and un-Mumsnetty Hugs. You have saved us a fortune in counselling and psychotherapy sessions. Perhaps there should be formal qualifications awarded to MN Advisors who have 'been through the mill' and been on this board a long time!

I have really appreciated your time, compassion, kindness, get well wishes and empathy, especially at a time when I have been uncharacteristically fragile. Thank you to you all. Now onwards to a recovery! Smile

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Cabrinha · 11/05/2016 14:50

Yay!

rumblingDMexploitingbstds · 11/05/2016 14:53

Congratulations Woken for taking a thread, really using it to get what you needed and then acting on it! And bravo to your brave dh too, this is a very button pushing situation for both of you and it takes real strength to go into and start thinking about making changes together.

Your post made my day, so happy to hear you and dh are making plans to improve things. You are one resilient lady. Thanks

WokenupinaNightmare · 11/05/2016 15:08

Aaw, thank you Blush You have made me feel amazing, after 3 years of feeling like I was dying/slipping away. Even starting to feel a bit more like the old me. Thank god. I thought I'd lost it forever. Long Live Mumsnetters! Grin

(I will have no energy left by tomorrow.......)

I'm off to watch Whisky Galore!

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WindPowerRanger · 11/05/2016 15:20

Now, now, calm down, you'll strain something!

After Whisky Galore, what about Some Like It Hot, anything with George Burns and Gracie Allen in it, or even a modern comedy like Talladega Nights?

amarmai · 11/05/2016 15:40

happy to hear your health is on the mend ,op. If your dh feels he needs to step back from his parents, that is a good move. He wd benefit from counselling . I doubt your mil wd be getting away with her intrusive, controlling, obsessive etc etc behaviour if the siblings and their families were not wanting to lose the $$ they are waiting to inherit.

WokenupinaNightmare · 11/05/2016 18:21

Amarmai Who knows what the siblings think. It was a very close family. It's just this extreme anxiety that has caused such tension in the relationships. Sad for them all.

This thread has been a real education. Had never heard of Burns & Allen Blush
Just enjoyed watching some -calmly. Thanks Wind

Quite shattered now. Busiest week ever! My poor typing fingers Smile

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stopfuckingshoutingatme · 11/05/2016 18:38

Ah bless you OP - now to healing and getting your strength back xx

Atenco · 11/05/2016 20:55

Congratulations on having a lovely husband and being on the mend, OP.

OrlandaFuriosa · 11/05/2016 23:18

I wrote a lovely long post and it vanished, but just to say

You are a brilliant respondent, replying,
I'm so glad you had the courage to raise with your DH, with good will in your hearts you will come through this and other difficult times.