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What the hell are we going to do now? PIL related. Long :-(

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WokenupinaNightmare · 08/05/2016 21:06

Ok, long story short. I hope. (I normally lurk) I need some outside perspective from wise Mumsnetters. I think I'm losing touch with what is 'normal'. and I have already learned so much on the Relationships board

My PIL are lovely, decent, hard-working people. Well educated, 'up-standing pillars of the local community' sort. After my difficult childhood (severe family illness) and various life changing events, I was over the moon to meet and fall in love later in life, with my wonderful now DH. Also quite delighted to discover he had a pretty amazing family who were great achievers in all areas. They were all extremely welcoming towards me, although MIL could at times be rather suffocating in her enthusiasm (her son and I had met in our 30's and as the last to settle down, maybe she was panicking slightly that it wouldn't happen for him). We were extremely lucky to have a little financial help from them to buy our first house and I am always telling them how grateful we are.

It was no secret to her children that MIL wanted grandchildren. They all knew there was a family heirloom waiting for the first grandchild to arrive. I was also slightly perturbed to hear it was family knowledge that one of her DIL's was "already on the folic acid" during their wedding planning. No pressure then. Luckily, they were rewarded with a honeymoon conception and MIL -beaming- duly congratulated them on their achievement.

Now, I should add that MIL has high anxiety levels. They have been described as 'neuroses' but if I listed them here, you may have different ideas. They also like to be very 'involved' in their grown up children's lives and with extensive life experience have lots of wisdom that has to be shared. They also like to know as much as possible and often worry -unnecessarily- when they aren't involved. I understand in the past, they have never refrained from commenting when they did not think any potential in-laws were not suitable, particularly if they were foreign and could take their child/grandchildren abroad This understandably has caused some tensions.

DH & I were able to date, get engaged and plan a small wedding without too much discussion intervention At the time, MIL was pre-occupied with the other siblings, mainly how they were bringing their children up and other wedding plans. She became quite ill with anxiety and stress during this time, perhaps because the siblings had their own plans/lives and she wasn't happy about some of them (PIL tend to ring the other siblings and share the stress out during these dramas). I am aware that one sibling's calls had to be screened by FIL as she was too ill to talk to them directly and another sibling had threatened to go NC with PIL if they continued to be 'over-involved' with their child-rearing ideas. Or 'concern' as it is labelled.

There were a couple of calls about bringing our wedding forward (why? it was the winter! brrr) etc On the whole though, during our short engagement they were very kind and supportive, offering lots of help and even donating a small sum towards the modest costs (very low key wedding).

Both DH & I are quite private people (as are PIL) and as we don't consider ttc a team event, never announced to all that we were going to try for a family. (Even though they had quizzed DH about it before the wedding - to ensure it was going to happen I assume). Less than five months after our wedding (with as yet no pregnancy announcement) MIL asked to have a private word with me. She said she knew that I enjoyed my career and that I had worked hard to gain financial independence, despite my difficulties in life. She suggested it might be difficult for me to give that up. Therefore, to make it a bit easier for me, she wanted to give me £10,000 to support me during any maternity leave (!) Bizarrely I was already 6.4 weeks pregnant and we were planning on telling them after our 12 week scan. Unfortunately, I had been bleeding AND feeling extremely ill and didn't handle my -surprised- response clearly and assertively enough. I was also in the throes of a severe chronic illness (at that time undiagnosed) and mumbled politely that it was thoughtful, but if she wanted to give money then it would belong to DH and it would be up to him how to use it. I would have told her that I was pregnant anyway, but had a bad feeling about the bleeding and knew she'd be upset, so I didn't. After she left the house, I miscarried. The pregnancy was over but chronic illness continued.

The next 18 months have been a blur of uncharacteristic continual severe illness, misdiagnosis, countless hospital visits, medical letters, scans and finally, a diagnosis and PIP application/ill health retirement. We didn't make it headline news amongst everyone we know (we weren't sure what was happening ourselves) but DH kept his family informed. During this time, I was unable to attend any family/friend events and lost touch with so many people. It was a horrid time, but I attempted to keep in touch by group e-mail and also sent copies to PIL. My friends were amazing! During my illness -where I was housebound most of the time- PIL held group meet-ups, but rarely came to the house, so I did not see them much at all.

MIL was extremely anxious when we discussed my illness with her at the beginning and sent me to her recommended alternative practitioner to see if it would help. I gladly went, feeling so ill, but it became another treatment we tried that did not work. We did not share our miscarriage with them on top of me being ill. (MIL has experienced terrible fertility issues/lost a child in the past and I could not face involving anyone in our grief, especially with the inevitable anxiety! I had enough of my own by then). Anyway, we would soon be pregnant again wouldn't we and give her some happy news. Well, I did get pregnant on a further two occasions and devastatingly lost them both, one between hearing the heartbeat for the 2nd time and getting a scan picture (10 weeks) and the 12 week scan. The chronic illness may or may not have contributed and it was a scary, unpredictable time for us both. We clung to each other and survived through it, thank goodness. My maternal age was advancing and I know my Dh was desperate for children. We had the inevitable discussions about whether we should separate and he should have a second chance with someone younger/more fertile. He was always adamant that it had taken him so long to find me, he wasn't letting go of me now, children or no children. I was very keen to keep trying (not very wise in hindsight) but he was a lot more realistic about our chances and although sad, said he had let that go now. He could see that I was too unwell. The pressure was off. Are you still with me? Confused

DH told PIL about the miscarriages very soon after the last one (16 months after the wedding) and said that it was not looking very hopeful for us now. MIL sent me a lovely e-mail about how horrid MC's were and that they were thinking of me and the only thing that mattered was to get better again. They sent round lots of vitamins/healthy drinks and cooked food. Very thoughtful as I was so ill. Sadly, I did not improve and of course did not go out or see people. I asked PIL to come and visit (they often are near seeing the other siblings) but they seemed rather elusive. I believe that because of their anxiety, DH did not perhaps be as honest about how ill I really was. There were lots of other issues in the family (more fertility angst elsewhere) and with his DM's health, he only focussed on the positives. i.e. the days I had got upright and left the house briefly. MIL did ring me to wish me Happy Birthday which was thoughtful. But she was concerned that DH was not getting out enough and wanted to know did he still see his friends? (NOT on my priority list to be honest).

During my mostly housebound and awaiting a diagnosis months, PIL would travel to the area to see some of the siblings and meet DH from work for lunch to catch up. He would come back with various updates. I.e.

*MIL thought we were becoming socially isolated (er, hello, did you know I was ill and rarely seeing anyone -not even my own family- and I was relying on DH for care?!! AND I had invited PIL on numerous occasions).

*MIL was extremely concerned that we weren't in touch very much with the siblings (er, the ones with children or are triumphantly pregnant you mean? I think my DH struggled with this as much as I did)

*MIL was worried that Dh would not have children and should freeze some sperm (DH pointed out to her that as we had stopped trying, unless I had been hit by a bus and he would have to go ahead and meet someone else in the future, that it would not be necessary). MIL came back the next day with another sibling to convince him and MIL would pay for the sperm freezing storage costs. He declined.

*Following another long call between DH and MIL, a letter arrived in the post. It was a newspaper article stating that the UK was short of sperm donors and MIL thought that if DH signed up for it that it would "take the pressure off" and wished us both luck (!)

MIL seemed to be avoiding visiting me during this time and I became upset that she didn't visit or seem to understand how ill I was. I felt I was being pushed out and she was becoming a little 'over-involved' with discussions that did not seem to involve me. DH then decided to share this with her (to improve relations?) and she arrived unexpectedly on my doorstep weeping when he was at work. She was upset that we had not told her about any of the pregnancies (none had ever reached 12 weeks) and that I was "secretive". She was also very upset that I had not even told her about the MC when she was round here last offering the money. Truthfully I told her I did not know it was a MC at the time, as I'd never had one before. She then shared her own distressing fertility struggles (about burying babies) with me and although I wish she hadn't (it made me cry) I understand she was probably trying to empathise/get closer. I was too ill to really engage with her -or anyone else.

Life carried on, both with me not recovering and MIL going back to not visiting me but DH from work. I asked PIL to visit by e-mail, telephone call, or through DH. I offered to cook (would have taken me a week) or to travel to visit them and take food (so that MIL wouldn't have to cook). Her anxiety during this time was sky high (other family issues) and she had a huge panic attack in public. DH said she was too ill to visit me (but seemed to manage to get to the other siblings ok). During an argument, he then confessed that MIL thought that I had been stringing DH along all this time. Putting the wedding off as long as possible during dating (I was waiting for him to propose!) and making sure I was too old to have children, so it would be too late. It explained so much. I guess when there was no pregnancy news over 16 months of marriage, they became ? fearful?

I continued to be ill, and trying (& failing) to make arrangements and see people. I'm a very sociable person normally and the isolation was driving me crazy! Last year we organised to travel and go and meet PIL (I was hoping it would improve relations). Unfortunately they decided to turn it into a bit of a celebration and invited other siblings along. DH and I had been hoping for something small and low key which we had discussed with them (without staring at pregnant bellies) so he cancelled politely by e-mail 48 hours before. MIL e-mailed a lovely brief reply, but there was some panicky phone calls the day after about why he had suddenly cancelled, so DH had to send another reassuring e-mail out to them that he was fine, just weary.

On the evening of the day we were due to originally meet, PIL drove 50 miles for an unannounced visit to us. MIL was very teary and clingy with DH. She turned sideways to me, would not look me in the eye and ignored all attempts by me to engage and set a date so they could come and visit for lunch. Later we discovered that PIL thought that DH was suicidal as his cancellation was 'uncharacteristic'. He has NO idea where that idea came from. (With suicide in my family I was careful to discuss this with him at length!).

This has gone on long enough! Are you still there? Sorry. I could write so much more but wanted to provide a balanced account of the main events. I have been ill for so long and had so much time to think about what has happened but I'm not sure I am strong enough to see solutions to this. Disclaimer: The illness/ recurrent miscarriages has triggered anxiety and depression, which although under control now, has had me doubting my judgements/feelings.

The happy news is that now I have a diagnosis, I have an amazing medical support team and I have clear information I can share with family/friends. I have been advised to surround myself with people who can really support me during my potential recovery -fingers crossed that happens- and to avoid anxiety where possible. I still find the behaviours of MIL upsetting and their long anxiety-filled telephone calls to DH very difficult. I can't list their fears/neuroses for fear of outing myself, but they are long and varied and at times quite extreme. All very tiring. (One being that I took their offer of money the wrong way, even though it was kindly meant etc. I see some blame coming my way.....).

My doctor has suggested that DH tells PIL they are not to ring the house or visit. How is that going to do down?! Ulp. My husband is the kindest, most caring, calm, loving, individual. He tends to be the peacemaker and is quite adamant that they do everything through love and do not intend to offend. However, even he seems to be on the edge over this recently and appears hesitant to be in touch with them.

Any advice or suggestions? They are intrinsically lovely, thoughtful people and I am quite devastated that I have lost a relationship with them due to MC and illness (rarely see my own family). I'm not sure what to do next. What would you do if they were your PIL? I hope there is someone still reading?..... If so, then thank you!

Now we can all go and have a long lie down! Grin

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MeMySonAndl · 09/05/2016 00:55

Do not engage with their drama, this is not something you have caused and I would go as far as saying that baby or no baby they would still be complaining about something else.

It us not normal for them to be so involved, it is not a healthy relationship, they have not yet understood the fact that their son is an adult and therefore they need to back off and let him take his own decisions.

The bad news is that the only person who would be able to stop such behaviour is your DH but if he is afraid of confrontation (or too well trained to follow his parents wishes and commands), it is unlikely that he would be able to stand against them even when he knows how difficult you are finding them.

rumblingDMexploitingbstds · 09/05/2016 00:57

You haven't lost a relationship with them due to illness and mc, I suspect however things had panned out you would have had these same essential problems, just with different details. Thanks Nothing you could have done differently would prevent your PiL having the issues they do.

WokenupinaNightmare · 09/05/2016 09:27

Morning All. Brew

Everything you have contributed to this thread has been fantastic, thank you! You will never know how grateful I am to know I'm not alone with these thoughts and going completely mad! Some of you have said exactly what I was thinking. I really crashed out after posting so apologies for disappearing. Shame the opening post is so long and complex, but it was important to me to present the whole context so you had a understanding of the developments.

To be honest, MN has saved my sanity since I became ill. I When I was bed-bound and could not manage TV/Media/phone calls/reading/any communication, I used to lie here fantasising about posting on AIBU with the basic facts of the MIL drama.

When I was a bit better, reading MN helped me to understand the situation a bit more. However with anxiety and depression, it was difficult to see if my thoughts were a bit warped. Certainly DH did not seem to be as upset as I was about the developing situation.

My health is still very poor, but I will slowly respond to all your posts now. At least I am well enough to type now, yippee!! I feel like I'm emerging from a coma Smile

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BuunyChops · 09/05/2016 09:28

Wow; they are just WOW!

But anyway; 2 things you wrote really stuck out to me

First you say delighted to discover he had a pretty amazing family who were great achievers in all areas.

And then you say

At the time, MIL was pre-occupied with the other siblings, mainly how they were bringing their children up and other wedding plans. She became quite ill with anxiety and stress during this time,. . . . I am aware that one sibling's calls had to be screened by FIL as she was too ill to talk to them directly and another sibling had threatened to go NC with PIL if they continued to be 'over-involved' with their child-rearing ideas. Or 'concern' as it is labelled.

Amazing families don't need a person to screen calls from their children; and for most people even threatening to go NC is a very big deal.

In my arm chair opinion this is a couple (I blame the enabler husband as much) who have an idea of the perfect family in their head and if you don't fit into that you get punished/ ignored.

You've been treated this way for daring to be ill and not instantly producing picture perfect grandchildren.

And referring above again if you hadn't been ill and produced grandchild/children by now I can bet you you'd be post asking if their level of involvement in the GC's lives was normal...............

It sounds as though neither of you have experienced a healthy family dynamic; I'm not saying my lot are perfect but if my Mum tried to rope one of my siblings to discuss any sort of fertility issues; the first thing we'd be doing is getting her down to see her GP for a check up..........We're a pretty open family; but there are things that you just don't don't start conversations about unless the affected party starts it.

What I mean is if you DH had confided in his Mum; fair enough but this way round; that's not a red flag thats bright red flashing bunting!! And going straight to sperm freezing there isn't a smiley face that could ever capture how bizarre that it. (And of course the underlying message that any issues here are your 'fault')

(As it happens I normally win the 'I have the worst MIL; IL's' chats with friends. Our relationship with them has included police involvement and a very acrimonious court case. It took them realising that (1) DP was his own man and I wasn't controlling him, and (2) I wasn't going to buy in their mad demands and ideas and had no problem with walking away from them and because of number 1 chances were that DP would go with me. But it took a long time to get to that point.)

I really hope your recovery goes well; but agree that you need to be free of this stress.

I would be willing to put a month's wages that if your DH asks them to lay off for a while it will be blamed on you and while he's still tied in to the idea that he has to be the go-between/peacemaker you're going to find it hard going.

Is there any chance that he might agree to go to joint counselling? you could suggest it as something to help both of you as it sounds like you've really been through the mill the last few years between the illness and your losses.

You would then have a safe space to discuss your relationship with the PILs and maybe an outsider commenting on how unhealthy and abnormal this is might help your DH.

Sometimes it does take an outsider to say No; nope that is not normal, before it sinks in.

WokenupinaNightmare · 09/05/2016 09:32

So, to answer some of the sperm-freezing weirdo comments. I can sort of understand it, as MIL is very close to someone, who due to sudden severe illness would never have had biological children if sperm had not already been -coincedentally- banked. So, it's a security blanket thing.

However, our situation is very different and when DH explained it would not be necessary for us in the circumstances, I thought she'd drop it.

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BuunyChops · 09/05/2016 09:44

Nope still fucking weird.

Sorry.

And I'm someone who's had that convo with DP.........

WokenupinaNightmare · 09/05/2016 09:44

So many questions to answer! I am shouting out yes, yes, to everything you say.

Yes, my family dynamics have been rather skewed due to my DM having a post-natal breakdown when I was 9. She pushed me away and I have struggled with that my whole life. (She attempted suicide many times and finally succeeded. We haven't told PIL that as the anxiety would set off an atomic bomb! The wedding may not have been allowed).

I am super-aware of the importance of good mental health and despite some awful situations, am relieved that I have got this far pretty 'normal' and stable. This situation with PIL -when I wasn't physically well enough to deal with it- has nearly pushed me over the edge. I have turned from a funny, independent, strong, feisty girl into someone who struggles with anxiety and lack of trust.

Your support and an improvement in symptoms is really helping! Star Star Star

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BuunyChops · 09/05/2016 09:45

Sorry that sounded a bit harsh!

But really; I'm amazed at your level of patience with them

WokenupinaNightmare · 09/05/2016 09:54

I am so disappointed this has happened. We actually have lots in common with PIL and I was looking forward to being part of their family. I do feel sorry for MIL's anxiety issues and ill health. She has had a tough life too. I hoped she would get some counselling and medication to bring this under control and we could all go back to how it was in the beginning.

Believe me, I was not aware of the levels of this problem when I got engaged! I may have disappeared to be honest. I've been here once before and that was traumatic enough. Sad

Luckily I didn't run off. My DH is the most wonderful person I have ever met and he inspires me to be a better person. And how he has coped with both his parents and me being ill and losing his chance to be a Father I don't know! His love and care were the only things that kept me going through the bleak years and I guess I wanted to try and keep PIL close as he needed support himself.

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WokenupinaNightmare · 09/05/2016 09:57

You are all very kind. DH would not recognise the bits about my patience and forgiveness! I am omitting how strongly I feel about this because A. I am worried I will be outed by the siblings on here and it will get back to PIL what I really think of them and B. I didn't want to influence any feedback you might have.

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pocketsaviour · 09/05/2016 10:08

Everything you post about her makes her sound worse. If she had known that your mum committed suicide, she might have stopped the wedding?! She really believes that she owns your DH, doesn't she?

You might both find this book an eye-opening read: If You Had Controlling Parents. However it sounds like your DH may not yet be in a place where he is willing to recognise the truths of his family.

pocketsaviour · 09/05/2016 10:08

This one might also help you

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 09/05/2016 10:09

firstly well done on getting your diagnosis, and wishing you healing and health

secondly sorry about the MC, and it sounds like you have started to come to terms with that, and what that means for you

and thirdly well done for keeping in good relations with your DH during such trying times

look they are complete fucking nightmares- and they are the last thing you need when dealing with MC/and chronic undiagnosed illness. they clearly cant and wont understand- AND another child wanted to go NC

just focus on getting back to good health and normality. The problem is your DH as presumably he wants to have a relationship with them- which is understandable

But what she said about her fertility issues was OFF THE SCALE INSENSITITVE, I cant even repeat it

she clearly sees you as some kind of grand child provider that's not quite performing as she wanted.

accept them for what they are, disengage and support your DH. they really are not what you need |OP

WokenupinaNightmare · 09/05/2016 10:14

So, I'm re-reading your MIL comments. Intense, exhausting, unhealthy, dysfunctional, co-dependent, insecure, obsessive, self-absorbed, control freak, narcissist etc.

I am beginning to think that it's not my fault after all that our relations have broken down. I have grown up trying to keep families together and often put the needs and wishes of others before my own. Maybe I am too forgiving at times.

I have felt so terribly guilty about becoming ill and losing babies. Yes, I am trying counselling and CBT, but I have not been physically well enough to attend all appointments or understand what I need to do. Mental fatigue and confusion is a big part of the illness dammit. My poor brain Confused

If I had been fit and well I'm pretty sure I would not have allowed this to go on & would have opted for NC. As it is, our world shrunk down due to battling the severe illness together. My DH has lost his fatherhood chances, his fit and active wife, a second income, our social lives etc and I did not want him to lose contact with his own family Sad

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WokenupinaNightmare · 09/05/2016 10:27

I am having huge floods of tears and relief here reading through your posts. In my life I have suffered a number of losses and challenges and I always hoped that one day I would be part of a loving family again. Meeting DH was amazing, but then I unexpectedly lost my health (overnight!) 5 pregnancies (2 chemical), my career I loved so much and the chance of a family together. Relationships around us have really suffered and I felt so isolated. You can be ill for a while and promise to meet up again when you feel better, but when it goes on for years some people lose their understanding and contact falters.

I am sad that I do not have the support of most of my family and have now lost the chance of being part of another loving family. Thank god for my DH, my friends, my typing fingers back and for MN! Grin

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stopfuckingshoutingatme · 09/05/2016 10:41

OP can I ask, now you have your diagnosis - is good health likely to return, or even "OK" health?

please don't feel guilty for the tremendous bad luck you have had X

WokenupinaNightmare · 09/05/2016 10:48

Love your name stopfuckingshoutingatme

Opinion is divided about whether I will ever recover. I have spoken to people who've had it years and are registered disabled. Some do recover apparently but how to be vigilant to ensure they don't relapse. I think it's the stress of my life catching up with me! Bizarrely, I was the least stressed/most happiest when I met my DH. I think that's why I have taken the PIL issue so hard Sad I thought that life was just beginning to be kind to me.

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Pooseyfrumpture · 09/05/2016 10:51

The wedding may not have been allowed BY WHOM??? Jeez I think you are being far too reasonable. Their behaviour is so far beyond normal Shock and they have completely warped your perception of normal if, even allowing for a large dollop of sarcasm, you meant your PIL felt they had any sort of input into allowing or disallowing your wedding.

And have you ever heard of anyone having to have a conversation with their mother where they had to justify the non-freezing of their sperm? This is not normal.

What are the other siblings-in-law - the special, fertile ones permitted into this wondrous family - like? Have you been able to talk to them about the weirdness at all?

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 09/05/2016 10:58

well I obviously hope you fall into the category that can regain a normal (ish) life.
FWIW my dad was registered disabled at around 35, and he really did have on the whole good life.

I think you sound very brave in how you are facing up to both major health issues, and I struggle to word this easily, but despite both issues - it doesn't mean that a long and happy life is out of sight IYSWIM?

but your PIL are not fucking helping are they? as they appear to be the types that will not help with your healing , fuck your head up and basically make you feel even worse- as they clearly have certain expectations of what "normal is"

agree that some joint therapy might help you both, and your DH to realise what toxics they are XXX

WokenupinaNightmare · 09/05/2016 11:02

Thank you for all your helpful suggestions I do indeed think about emigrating! At it's worst, I wanted to divorce and run away so I would never have to see them again. (MIL detests flying so that would be an excellent solution. She thinks I 'caught' this illness on the plane home from honeymoon. They had suggested a UK holiday).

stiffstink you are spot on. I had been looking for their approval (not getting it in my own family).

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/05/2016 11:06

You do not need your family of origin nor your ILs approvals. None of these people will ever give you that and your own family of origin seemingly never gave you their approval either. That is probably why you were far too reasonable and accommodating when it came to his parents, you wanted their approval.

People from dysfunctional families end up playing roles, look at the roles you and your DH have played here.

It is not your fault your parents and ILs are the ways they are; you did not make them that way. These people have between them failed you and your DH abjectly.

WokenupinaNightmare · 09/05/2016 11:10

It has caused such huge ructions in our marriage that we actually went to couples counselling to discuss this very issue. Sadly I was not physically well enough to attend more than the induction session. Very frustrating.

We now get by by ignoring it as much as possible and focussing on my recovery. However it flares up every time we receive another anxiety-filled LONG telephone call (which mainly seems to be going over and over old issues about me not sharing the pregnancies, not accepting the money & DH's 'uncharacteristic' behaviours etc).

You are all right. I need to remove this stress from my -hopeful- recovery. It's just how we deal with it that doesn't cause WW3 that we need to find.

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LidikaLikes · 09/05/2016 11:25

OP, you sound like a wonderful person, your DH seems lovely too.

I'm curious to know what way they treat the grandkids they do have? Are they this much of a drag, intense and only give conditional love to their grandkids? That seems to be how they treat their own adult children. Sounds exhausting!

WokenupinaNightmare · 09/05/2016 11:26

I have tried to ignore the phone calls. DH does attempt to screen them from me now. However last week I could see he was approaching the edge. DH asked if it would help if I talked to them instead (I offered in severe desperation!).

FIL is normally the more reasonable/calmer of the two, but he was reluctant to say anything to me about the 'issues'. He changed into his always cheery and positive mode that he has when we talk and deflects any conversation I try and have with him about MIL. However when I said it was time for some honest, straight-talking and what was going on, he was cross that I was on the phone talking to him. Why was I involved? He then went over all the old ground again: MIL's health, my reaction to the money offered and how upset she still was (I remember being polite) the family not knowing about the pregnancies etc. I explained that advice was that announcements are made after 12 weeks which is what we were going to do. He said he did not want advice at his stage in his life and in THIS family, pregnancies should be known about. When he went on to totally refute how many times I had attempted to ask them to visit, I had to leave the conversation. He does not want to hear my explanations. This was all about stuff that was 18 months ago now. I am weary Sad

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WokenupinaNightmare · 09/05/2016 11:34

Everyone is quite private in the family. I am occasionally aware of the sibling's frustrations with their parents but no-one really talks about it, especially not to us partners. DH has discussed bits of it with another sibling but when he attempted to smooth things over/stick up for DH a bit with PIL, they were very upset at this! FIL even brought this up in our phone call. I can't control what BIL does and says!

It would be very reassuring if us siblings/partners were all closer, but DH & I are a bit different from their circles and have not really received much understanding/sensitivity from them either Confused In their defence, they have had lots going on in their lives alongside fending off the PIL

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