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Bewildered, DH openly admitted infidelity, what do I do now?

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1plus3plus1 · 16/03/2016 11:00

This is going to be long and complicated, apologies. I have been reading this forum since this happened, and many posts have rung true with me - but I've now got to the point where I don't know what to do, and would appreciate any thoughts the collective minds of Mumsnet might have.

So, I have been with DH for 14 years, married for 12, we have 4 kids aged 1-7. DH was in the Forces, and has deployed three times, for 6-7 months each time. The last time was when our youngest was 3 months old. He's now left the Forces.

Just before Christmas, he told me that he'd been offered another overseas job, but this time it was in a safe European City (rather than a war zone) and so we could all go. That is something we have always talked about, and so I was quite excited about it - a chance for us to go and have an adventure as a family rather than him going away and us being left behind all the time.

At the same time, things hadn't been right between us since he came back from the last deployment - we couldn't seem to reconnect emotionally or physically. One of the hallmarks of our relationship from the start had been fun and silliness, and we did manage to keep an element of this even when the kids turned up, but it suddenly seemed to be gone. Sex was very different - he was rougher and less considerate with me, and I felt like I could have been anyone to him.

This time was complicated because we had moved house while he was away - unfortunately didn't manage to exchange before he went away so I did that on my own. It must have been very strange for him, coming back to a new house where we were all settled and he didn't know where anything was. I thought partly it was just taking us longer to readjust than previously, combined with the usual fatigue and stress that goes along with 4 young kids.

Christmas was nice, and then it all went wrong. He told me that he'd had an affair with a colleague during the last deployment - she had a long term BF, and they mutually agreed to end it after a few weeks. DH says that it 'meant something' but can't clarify what that means. On further questioning, they tried to remain friends, meeting up a number of times for coffee after they got back to the UK. Eventually in November they decided they couldn't be friends and he said that they didn't see each other again.

Then I asked him if it had happened before that, and he said he'd had 2 one night stands with 2 different women. The first was while he was living away from me on Base before we had kids (but while we were actively trying for a baby and had had 2 miscarriages. I was also very low during this time due to career choice and not knowing what I wanted to do). The second was 3 years later while on a residential course. The first he basically went on a date (was invited to a woman's house for dinner on his own and one thing led to another) and the second was following a drunken evening.

So it appears that all 3 happened in quite different circumstances, and DH says that the reasons he did it include him never having a relationship before he met me, us both being young when we got married, being apart so much (we've worked out that we've been apart more than we've been together for the last 7 years), lack of intimacy between us, him feeling guilty about wanting more/different sex from me.

I told him to leave, and he lived with his sister for a couple of months, coming back often to see the kids, and we've both had individual counselling and been to couples counselling too. I've been through various stages - not believing it, sadness, and now am mostly very angry that he would do this to me and us and the kids. We talked a lot, and decided that he should take this overseas job for 6 months and come back every weekend to see if we could gently get to know each other again. I feel like we had something really good, and if I don't try to rebuild then I will always regret it. That's partly for the kids, but mostly for me.

But I just don't know how to have a 'new relationship with the same person' as the books say. I would be walking open eyed into a relationship with someone who I know is a cheat. There is no mystery or excitement - he's seen me giving birth, I've squeezed spots on his bum etc etc. We are surrounded by physical memories of our past relationship - the kids, photos, all the stuff in our house that we've collected over the years, that were our wedding presents. Hes also tainted my good memories of our time together because now i can only think "was this before or after? Was he acting? Pretending to be happy? How did i not notice?" How do we create something new out of that when we have very little time together as a family and even less as a couple - basically 3 hours on a Saturday night when he's home.

And how do I, personally, get past the anger to forgiveness? No matter how many times he says sorry, it can't undo what he's done. And I also have to make the leap of faith to trust him when he says it's never going to happen again, even when he's working away from home and travelling lots.

I do believe that he's told me everything, which might sound weird - he had nothing to gain from telling me about the one night stands. The reason he told me is because when he saw how excited I was getting about us all going away as a family, it broke his heart that I was preparing to do that without knowing what he'd done - he wanted me to have the facts in order to make the right decision for me. I think he's immature and naive, a people pleaser and a risk taker, and these things have all combined together. He seems to hate himself for what he's done, although he is also emotionally blunted - he says he can't feel anything. He's not cried, no matter what hurtful thing I say to him he responds with a very measured, reasonable voice, which is infuriating. However, he's also not saying that he loves me and wants to spend the rest of his life with me - he says he doesn't know and wants to have time getting to know each other again so that we can decide that together.

I'm not even sure if I've got a question to ask you all - my situation doesn't seem to fit many of the other ones on this board where people have caught their OHs out rather than the OH admitting it out of the blue but not actually having a OW.

Any thoughts would be very gratefully received. I'm so confused.

OP posts:
loveyoutothemoon · 17/03/2016 07:01

I think you and your kids going overseas would be a very bad idea. Sounds like your marriage is in real trouble and that would be the worst place to be if it was to be finally over.

Ledkr · 17/03/2016 07:25

My xh behaved the same way when I discovered his cheating.
No begging or telling me he wanted to make things better.
I can only assume that he no longer wanted to be with me and that in itself, although heartbreaking, gave me the push to end things.
The thought of living in a state of self doubt and anxiety, with someone who had no passion for me or the marriage, was enough for me to not want to stay married.

I was 40, 4 kids and ive made a brilliant life for us. We are all very happy.

Inccidentally, when I made my decision and started divorce proceedings and planning my new life, his passion for me suddenly returned and he became desperate to save the marriage.
Funny that.
So be prepared for a change of heart once you take control.

It's an awful thing you are going through but once you split It will start becoming your past and not your present.

TheStoic · 17/03/2016 07:49

No begging or telling me he wanted to make things better

It's astonishing that some PPs describe this behaviour as being 'realistic' and 'believable'. It's amazing what some people can convince themselves of when they really want to.

MerryMarigold · 17/03/2016 09:44

One thought in terms of the OW and the job. I would phone the people he is working for, and just check whether she is employed there. You probably can't ask directly as they may get cagey but you could phone and ask to speak to her (see if they put you through or will take a message down for her), or for an email contact. Just assume she works there and see how they respond. If she does, I think it's pretty clear for you what h is doing. If she doesn't work there, you are in the same position you are in now.

I can see MrsLupo's position. It could be that he is giving you time and space to process it. I think he doesn't really know what he wants rather than being a manipulative 'player' outright. The whole job thing with the OW is a bit dodgy and I think his heart is still partly with OW. I think HE is confused, so of course you are. I think you need to ask him to make up his mind. Can you tell when he is lying. Has he looked you right in the eye and said, "I definitely don't want a relationship with her. If we split up, I would not go to her. She is not right for me."

HelenaDove · 17/03/2016 13:45

"But limp along with him for another 5 or 10 years and if you then find yourself single, pickings are going to be a lot more slim"

Wow Lea Hope no one in their mid forties in a similar situation is reading this thread. Its bollocks btw. Im 42 and do get asked out by men in their 20s right up to men in their 60s.

Agree with AF

I also think he would only want an open marriage one way.....his way. Hes a selfish tosser.

APlaceOnTheCouch · 17/03/2016 14:09

I don't think it's helpful to think in terms of breaking or winning or who walks away. This isn't a competition to see how much rubbish you're willing to put up with or to see who salvages the best reputation. All that matters is your future happiness and stability. Think too about how you would want your DDs to behave if their DH cheated on them and lied to them. And if you want your DS to think cheating and lying is the way to treat women. Regardless of what you are telling them, your DCs are absorbing what you are teaching them about relationships.

1plus3plus1 · 24/03/2016 20:46

Thank you everybody for all your responses, and sorry not to have replied sooner. I had a very poorly 3 year old last week, who luckily is back to her usual chirpy self now.

It did give me the chance to re-read this thread a lot (!) of times, to think over what you all said and get some perspective on the situation.

He is adamant that the OW is completely out of the picture.

I think it's going to have to be a decision that I make with my intuition - it seems to be balancing on a knife edge at the moment, and I can see it going 2 ways. Either I believe what he is telling me, believe that he is remorseful and try to find a new way to be together. Or I believe his actions, never trust him again and plan a life without him.

I'm very evenly split between those two possibilities, and I just can't seem to bring myself to actually jump one way or the other.

Maybe he's right, and time will give me the answers that I need.

The problem is that if this 6 month job gets extended, he'll probably have to accept it in the next couple of months. So the clock feels like it's ticking already, and I really don't want to be pressurised into this decision by external factors.

Aaaagh, I feel like screaming. Very loudly and at length.

OP posts:
Ambiorixa · 24/03/2016 21:11

1plus3 - as has been said by someone upthread: if things don't work out whilst you are abroad, you possibly wouldn't be able to move back home with the kids without his consent. So you would then potentially be stuck abroad... Just for that reason it would be a no from me.

Isetan · 25/03/2016 08:39

Op don't demean yourself by 'auditioning' for a job you already have but have never been respected for and never will be respected for.

Your H wants you to end the marriage he has never really committed to and because he's an entitled coward, he's chosen the constant drip of hurtful information and not commitment, as the means to push you to that end. He checked out of your marriage a long time ago and his time away, allowed him the opportunity to enjoy the benefits (in short bursts) of family life without the commitment.

Prioritising someone who sees you as an option, will never end well for you and your children.

I am so sorry that this selfish, entitled arse can't see further than his own ego.

Thymeout · 25/03/2016 10:57

Is he going to have some post-trauma counselling? Because the phrase that jumps out at me is 'emotionally blunted'. And I do think the extreme nature of his job and prolonged periods away from home, you and his family play a big part in what has happened.

I can understand his confusion, compounded by a relationship with OW that wasn't just a ONS and the chance to be with you and his family full-time in his new job.

I think it made him wonder if he really was committed to his marriage - and he still doesn't know because he's in a new situation. He's not sure how he feels about it because he's adjusting to not having to suppress his feelings as part of the pattern of his life. It's a long time since he's been allowed to have feelings for more than a limited time at home with you.

I"m sure it makes a horrendous situation even more difficult for you, Op. But, at the same time, I don't think you can apply the usual responses to this sort of situation that others have mentioned. This situation isn't 'usual'. And there is a grain of hope in that there are factors involved which possibly can be excused and overcome. Up till recently, you, together, have made a successful marriage in v difficult circumstances.

Too early to make any long-term decisions. He's in a mess and you're in shock.

Flowers
BunnyTyler · 25/03/2016 11:30

Sensible advice from Thymout.
It is not a usual situation at all.

Joystir58 · 25/03/2016 11:36

It is never wrong to love and trust with your whole heart- we really don't get any where emotionally if we don't do this, so you are not a mug. What he has presented you with will take time to process, but I agree with other posts that say he has already checked out of this relationship but doesn't have the maturity to tell you clearly. He didn't include you in the decision to take a job away did he? Now you are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel regarding child rearing perhaps you have a chance to find yourself again rather than rebuild some kind of relationship with him. I hope you both stay friends for the sake of the children- otherwise cut yourself loose.

Duckdeamon · 25/03/2016 11:53

He has you playing the "pick me" dance. Waste of your time and love. He is so clearly not a good partner, or father.

"it's a basic tension in him that he should have to choose between job and family - he believes it should be possible to have both."

Including a "dream job" abroad. Plus sex on the side when he wants it.

Duckdeamon · 25/03/2016 11:55

The situation isn't unusual at all: he's a bog standard cheater. He's admitted to numerous incidences of infidelity, and that's just what OP knows abouy.

NameChange30 · 25/03/2016 12:10

It's a resounding LTB from me.

You can never trust him, if you stay you will always be wondering if you made the right decision and if he is cheating again.

You already know you can manage without him because he's away so much.

Take some time to heal and you never know, you may well meet someone who treats you with the respect and fidelity you deserve.

StarLuck · 25/03/2016 12:31

Has he been begging you to join him abroad?

When reading your OP I found myself wondering if when he found out about the job, he knew you would want to go as you'd previously talked about it. But I wondered if he really wanted to go alone instead? Hence the the few infidelity admissions (there are likely to be many more tbh) and his cool behaviour, all designed to keep you at home whilst he spends his time still as the part time dad than the full-time family man he would have to be if you were there.

Sorry if this has already been mentioned, not made my way through all the thread yet!

Secondtimeround75 · 25/03/2016 12:38

this
He wants you to be the one that says the words to officially ends things because he doesn't want to be the bad guy, that bastard that got kicked out for cheating on his wife.
He's a coward.
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Op don't demean yourself by 'auditioning' for a job you already have but have never been respected for and never will be respected for.
and this
You can never trust him, if you stay you will always be wondering if you made the right decision and if he is cheating again.

simonettavespucci · 25/03/2016 12:40

Surely the more likely motivation behind sending the OW's CV was that he thought you'd break up with him so he wanted to have her there as a fall back? I agree with the advice to find out if she is actually there or not, rather than take his word for it.

It is true that the situation is somewhat unusual, and if he were showing strong signs of remorse and practical plans for how things would be different in the future, then it might be worth trying. But it seems to me that he's already checked out, so, regardless of his reasons for cheating, sticking with him is just setting you up to get hurt more.

Flowers OP - you sound kind and level-headed.

1plus3plus1 · 25/03/2016 12:55

I'm trying not to play the 'pick me' dance.

One of the things that my counselling helped me to understand (which was a horrible experience - in depth self-examination is very uncomfortable to do), was that whatever I decide, I should not change the 'core' of me to try and make it work. And I know that I'm not perfect in any way, but at the moment I feel more 'me' than I think I ever have before. I'm confident in the way I parent, I'm confident in the way I have relationships, whether friends or family, I'm confident at work, I'm starting to feel more like my old self in terms of physique and energy levels. I don't want to change those things. I want to be with someone who gets me, and focuses on my positives rather than my negatives.

I suppose we did get married very young (I was 23), and I truly believe I am a very different person from who I was back then. I'm not sure he's changed very much. But ultimately, lots of my changing (and I feel a lot of it has been caused by becoming a mother) has happened without him. Maybe he feels I've changed for the worse? I don't.

OP posts:
1plus3plus1 · 25/03/2016 13:02

Then looking at it from his side, maybe because I've coped while he was away and can manage without him, he feels pushed away and redundant, role-less.

OP posts:
NameChange30 · 25/03/2016 13:04

You absolutely have changed for the better by the sounds of it! And if he doesn't recognise that, he is wrong and stupid. The fact that he hasn't changed at all suggest that he is still immature tbh. Which would explain the cheating, not knowing what he wants - or actually knowing what he wants, which is to have his cake and eat it (a family he doesn't have to look after or be loyal to, and the freedom to have sex and affairs with whoever he wants).

NameChange30 · 25/03/2016 13:05

Cross post. Please, please don't fall into the trap of blaming yourself. If he is redundant, he's made himself that way. It's not your fault for coping while he was away. What were you supposed to do, be a complete mess?!

Duckdeamon · 26/03/2016 05:45

Why are you even considering chasing this man? On his totally unreasonable terms.

You are looking for excuses for him. If he felt "redundant" or threatened by your changes he could have dealt with that any number of ways.

After being away in the forces he leaves then went for another job abroad! Selfish. Shitty parenting. Even setting aside the repeated infidelity!

He is a parent of 4 DC but hasn't been acting like that.

Duckdeamon · 26/03/2016 05:48

If he was serious about remaining in your relationship he would at the very least get a job enabling him to live with or near you and spend lots of time with you and the DC. But he wouldn't even consider that, would he? Because even if he's not having sex with other women at present he won't leave his "dream job", which he can work at while doing no parenting and fulfilling no responsibilities at all.

FoxesSitOnBoxes · 26/03/2016 06:15

I'm so sorry you're going through this.
It sounds like he wants you to be the one to leave. he didn't feel guilty enough to tell you about the cheating in the past because he thought it would be a deal breaker and he wasn't ready for you to leave but his time is different. He is being a coward as he doesn't want to shoulder the whole responsibility for the breakdown of his marriage and the damage that will cause so he is making you be the one to make the final decision.
If he was sorry and remorseful and really wanted it to work he would be doing anything to be near you and his children but he isn't. He has done the opposite of that. And he tried to take the other woman with him...
i can't imagine how hard this must be OP but I really think a decision needs to be made as to whether you are making this work or not. If he goes away you will be in limbo and the kids will (rightly) monopolise his time when he comes back on weekends so you will never sort it out this way.
If he wants to make it work then he can't take this job.
(All just my early morning opinion. Genuinely wish you the best luck in all of this. I can't imagine how shit it must be Flowers)