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Just devastated

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pumpkinmoon1 · 08/02/2016 14:29

I have been with my boyfriend for six months. Minor issues about time spent together and effort (or lack of) seemingly put into the relationship from his side. Major issues being that we wanted different things, I want to get married one day and have a child, he doesn't. Another major issues is him alluding to the fact that he was not over his ex after being apart for over 10 years.

We met and clicked, it was great. He told me that he had 'relationships' in the last 10 years, but kept it casual, was always upfront about lettig them know this and the fact that it wasn't going to go anywhere. I should have ran away then, but I stayed. Why? Because he said I was different and he wanted more. He wanted to be exclusive after 2 weeks or datng and soon after wated to label us as in a proper relationship. He did a good job of making me feel wanted and speicla and 'different'. But time went on and things played on my mind.

At 6 months, I still had not met his family. He neevr really told anyone about me unless they found out of their own accord eg saw us together.

Last weekend was a turning point. We were laying in bed talking on a Sunday morning, and he said that he had to go, he always did this on a Sunday. He said that he had to take a keyboard to his parents for his neice as she was having lessons and wanted to practice. So I was a little dissaponted. Not about the fact that he had to deliver the keyboard, but about the fact that I was just sick and tired of being left alone every Sunday afternoon when we could have been doing things as a couple like most normal people. So he thought that I thought he was making excuses to leave. He asked me if I wanted to go with him. This was a first. I thought that we were actually moving forward. I asked him what he meant and said that I bet his parents didn't even know he had a gf, and he said 'nope', but I could wait in the car. I was gutted. Gutted that after 6 months, I wasn't importaant enough to even be mentioned.

Fast forward to this weekend. Sunday again, we wake up and he says he has to go soon. To pick p a TV with his dad and watched the football and rugby AGAIN. I was calm and said that we need to have a talk about this Sunday afternoon stuff and that it would just be nice to do syuff as a couple on weekends. He mentioned the times he saw me in the week (Tuesday and Thursday evenings for about 4 hours each) and I said I understood that but we can't really do anything in the week as we have work the next day, and weekends are better. He then said that maybe hes just not a good boyfried, and that he isn't relationship material. I told him that he could be if he wanted to be.

He then said that maybe because he has been single so long he is jst stuck in his ways and he's used to doing what he wanted. I really can't remember what was said next but we got to talking about the 'casual' relationships he had in the last 10 years becasue he said that the longest they lasted would be about 3 months. I asked who would end them and he said he would for the most part. I asked why and he said that when he tells me I will probably not want to see him again. What I heard next killed me and I am beginning to shake even as I type this. He said that as he was still living in the past as far as his ex of over 10 years was concerned and always had the hope that they would get back together so when she would contact him out of the blue, he would go meet her and that would be how these relationshps ended. He then went onto say that he should have been more honest with me and that he was still in love with his ex, head over heels in love in fact. So I said that he basically fed me a load of bullshit all these months and despite claiming to 'like' me more than these casuals and that I was different to him, he afforded them more decency as he was up front with them. He said this wasnt the case. I asked if he had been texting her behind my back. He said he hadn't but text her at Christmas and New Year but she didn't reply. I asked him if she was with someone and he said she was. I asked him how he knew but he wouldn't tell me. I asked him if she was married (she's 12 years older than him so 52), he didn't say no, but just repeated she is with someone. SO I think she is married and I think she was when she was with him because he absolutely refuses to talk about it. He said that he wouldn't get into her personal life because she has done nothing wrong, so yes, I definitely think she is married. I asked how they broke up but he wouldn't tell me, he knows my views on people who cheat.

So then he said that I'm sure you have a question in your mind. I asked what he meant by this a little while after. He said I was hoping to avoid that, but went on to say that I probably have the question that if she were to text him now while he's still in a relationship with me, would he go meet her, and then he said he would. As if heaving that he was still head over heels in love with her wasn't enough.

Before he left, he started crying and begged me to let him come back later to talk. I couldn't even answer him but hugged him when I could see the tears dripping from his face. He said that he didn't want to lose me but said he knows how stupid that must sound to me. He text me a little later and came back. I couldn't even speak or look at him. He brought cans of alcohol with him which he sometiems does as we usually have a can or two in front of the TV. He asked if I wanted one and I said I didn't, but said he could have one if he wanted, so he did. Then he sat on the sofa next to me put his hand on my leg in an affectionate way and proceeded to make small talk about what was on TV as IF NOTHING HAD HAPPENED?

We didn't talk. I was so so upset and we just hugged for hours and cried. He said that I was so beautiful and could have any man I wanted but I ended up with a fucking idiot like him. He said he was so so sorry and that he was a massive dick for all of this and that it is all his fault. I cried that much and got so worked up I made myself sick. We eneded up falling asleep. I was exhausted from crying all day and not being able to eat anything.

We woke up and he had to leave as he had work the next morning. He usually comes over on a Tuesday and before he left he was hugging me and asked to come over Tuesday but he would understand if I didn't want to see him. I couldn't answer. Eventually I said that it's not like I don't want to see him, then he finsihed the sentence and said, but you think might be best not to and I agreed. He told me to think about it and to let him know. He hugged me again by the door before leaving and said that I mean so much to him. It did not help to hear such things, it just hurt more. When he got home he text me as he usually does and said that he was back home,and that he hopes I sleep well an that he wished he could be with me and cuddle me in his arms all night. I replied and told him that I hoped he sleeps well. He then text me this morning saying, 'Morning beautiful girl. Hope you slept well and that you're feeling ok today. I'm still feeling a bit tired and could do with going back to bed'. I haven't answered. I don't know how to respond to that. How a I meant to feel ok today? I have had barely any sleep. I haven't eaten. I am still in my pajamas, I had to take the day off work because I just couldn't face it. How does he expect me to feel ok? Does he not remember what he said to me yesterday? I know he doesn't want this to be over, but how could he think I could possibly stay with him? How could I let him come here Tuesday (like usual) and just be able to carry on? I'll be perfectly honest, I don't want it over either but I really have no choice. Even if he cheated on me, they may somehow be a way around that, but there is no way around the fact that he is still in love with his ex, and after 10 years+ that is never going to change. How can someone still be in love with someone when they broke up that long ago? nd wich someone they haven't seen for over two years.

I don't know how to proceed. I am a total mess.

OP posts:
pumpkinmoon1 · 12/02/2016 21:32

enquire*

OP posts:
Grrrrwhattodo · 12/02/2016 21:40

I hate to be a complete bitch here, but BLOCK AND DELETE!!!! Seriously. Stop feeding off the drama. If you have decided to end it, end it.

Joysmum · 12/02/2016 22:04

One word, "Goodbye"

Then block and delete.

var123 · 12/02/2016 22:10

I'm married with two sons aged 12 and 13.
I split up with the man I described below, was heartbroken and lost for a bit. Then slowly things started to turn around. I got less nervous (of everything). Small positive experiences gave me confidence to challenge myself.
People started to like me more. Men were asking me out. I was having a good time.
Then I met Dh. It took a while to really trust him, which he probably didn't deserve but he stuck with me and we had such a good time together. It was nothing like the relationship with the ex. He didn't treat me like I was lucky to have him, even though Dh is a zillion times more of a catch than my ex.

I regret wasting those years on my ex. The things he did and said and I still carried on. People who knew him and had only met me two hours previously would tell me to dump him. Everyone, except my ex and me, thought I was at risk. And instead of heeding their warnings, I'd tell him and he'd use the info to isolate me further. I just can't believe what I put up with but I know I did. So, much so that I felt scared when years later I learned my ex has moved to the same part of the U.K. as me.

That's the truth, eventually you'll go to great lengths to avoid the man you wanted to marry this time last week.

var123 · 12/02/2016 22:20

So don't give him access to your thoughts and feelings. He doesn't need to know and he could easily use them against you. Just send a text to say as he predicted you have decided to finish things with him. You want a clean break. He can collect his jacket from xxx. Goodbye.
Then block him and try not to be at home this weekend.

If he is like my ex you will never know what bullet you'll miss by doing this.

Good luck. X

ClaraBorne · 12/02/2016 22:26

OP, you wonder how it is for your soon to be Ex BF and this woman he is obsessed with? Read your own thread - you are as obsessed about him as he seems to be with her.

This thread is feeding it.

STOP it now for your own sanity. Just stop.

tipsytrifle · 12/02/2016 23:45

What exactly is it that is only just sinking in pumpkin? Nothing's changed until you say the words to end it. All you've done so far is a dollop of tortured non-texting but the doors are all wide open. Clara put it very well.

MissyMaker · 13/02/2016 00:04

Good grief. Have just rtft (skimmed it at least). Is this man's cock solid gold and studded with diamonds?

OP, you have been with him for 6 months - 6 months!! During that time he played you, was unpleasant, kept you in your place - exactly where he wanted you.

Why haven't you ended it yet? Just a simple, it's not working for me text. You owe him nothing more. You should feel though that you owe yourself so much more than this.

In my 20s I dated a similar creep for a similar period of time. It was a great lesson in what I didn't want and what I shouldn't put up with for my own sense of worth. For whatever reason, you are making far more of this all - of him - than it's worth. Get counselling - a good counsellor will help you.

var123 · 13/02/2016 10:46

So, to recap:-
Sunday: he does out of his way to tell you that there's another woman he'd drop you like a hot potato for, and throughout your relationship, he has been making attempts to contact her. Moreover he is explicit that will definitely not offer you a long term relationship. You cry, he cries and nothing is resolved

Monday: you take the day off work with no notice due to the trauma. You post on here for first time. You agree with a poster who says he'll still be single in 10 years time and you write that you know that you need to move on for the sake of your sanity. You find it hurtful and disrespectful that he is texting you but you won't tell him to stop texting.

Everyone is sympathetic but the message is clear: dump him, but you don't.

Tuesday: You take a 2nd unplanned day off work. He's still texting you. You spend most of the day thinking about the woman he says he'd leave you for, trying to conjure up a picture of her and doing your best to image her as amoral. You start to think about how to do it without hurting his feelings. Everyone repeats dump him, and you agree but don't do it.

Wednesday: 3rd day off work to grieve. You still haven't finished with him. He's still upsetting you by texting you and you still haven't asked him to stop. You are still micro-analysing. You decide to wait for Valentine's Day (which is baffling btw).

Thursday: at last you go back to work but you spend a fair bit of the day on your phone reading and replying to this thread. You tell other stories about him that change nothing - they are just more reasons to dump him. Except, now its alarming what you've put up with. However, you still don't dump him.

Friday: At work you tell everyone that your 6 mth relationship has ended. Some people you tell will have been divorced or through a break up of a long term relationship. Almost everyone will have experienced the end of brief relationships, like this one. They all know it hurts for a bit and then you get past it. You say "it is sinking in". What is the "it"? Anyway, you again get universally advised to dump him. You've been advised how, we've analysed what to do with the jacket.

Saturday: Let me guess: you still haven't dumped him??

chocorabbit · 13/02/2016 10:46

Sorry, I have read only up to page 5 (the "pancake") and I felt really angry for you Angry

I agree with everybody that his self pity is what is important for him and wants others to validate him!!! Usually that's a woman's behaviour, without meaning of course that men don't need huge amounts of validation, care, affection etc but craving it so much Confused Basically, by saying that he wants to wrap you with a pancake which HE cannot make it seems clear to me that he wants you to find HIM caring and important and therefore feel sorry for HIM because HE is such a nice guy so he can continue his self pity. If you really meant anything to him he should have told you that YOU are the best sweet for him (although leaving you alone would be best)

I hope you haven't let him back.

var123 · 13/02/2016 10:57

chocorabbit - it gets worse. There are other stories that make him seem quite sinister (IMHO). The Op understands the words advising her to end it, she agrees but doesn't seem to recognise it as a call to action.

chocorabbit · 13/02/2016 11:02

Sorry for not being clear but var123 put it very nicely that he thinks that he is a real catch. Really ... Hmm That's what I was trying to say unsuccessfully!

MagicalMrsMistoffelees · 13/02/2016 11:05

You've not finished with him because then it'll be over for sure and you'll be single again. No more text messages, no more evenings together, no more 'little one'. You're terrified of the silence.

Why? Being on your own is far better than being with him! Even if he was madly in love with you I would advise you to run for the hills. He contributes nothing to an equal adult relationship.

He offers you nothing but a part time FWB. He's told you that repeatedly! You are nothing special to him! You are the latest in a long line of ego boosts. He has no interest in a long term relationship because it would interfere with his sport, band, holidays and flings.

The ex (if she exists) is a smokescreen. He no more wants her than any other woman. She's just a useful excuse that even he believes is the reason he can't commit. Truth is if she actually did want him back in any serious capacity he'd run a mile! He likes his life the way it is.

I've said this many times over the past few days but I'll spell it out one final time:

You are young, have your own house, a good job, are financially secure, attractive, articulate. Think about that! You ARE a catch. Be choosy about who you have a relationship with. Don't settle for any scrap of attention. Be selective and choose someone decent, honest, grown up who loves you and has shared life goals

Don't let crap relationships define who you are! Don't let them hold you back! Get confident, believe in yourself, live your life for you.

STOP giving this man any more head space and you will be so much better off! Dump him right now.

var123 · 13/02/2016 11:09

He likes older women, women who will take care of him. The OP is more comfortably off than most women her age due to her mother's early death.

So, what he is offering is that she can be his chattel to with as he pleases. However, she mustn't kid herself its a relationship because she only gets a certain allocation of his time and there are strict boundaries about areas of his life she isn't allowed to venture into. In short, she's good for design work, miscellaneous laundry, home cooked meals and three nights per week.

To exonerate himself from any guilt or future accusations of misleading her (and probably also to stop her nagging him by repeatedly asking for more), he spelled it out for her last Sunday.

chocorabbit · 13/02/2016 11:11

Sorry but just reading a few pages I thought he sounded self absorbed and a narcissist chancer. I can't imagine worse than that! OP, please be kind to yourself and get rid of him, even in the politest way if you insist he will get the message Flowers

tingon · 13/02/2016 11:12

She'll get there, she's processing and doing it her way. Six months can feel like a long time when you're living it and it's only right that people do things when they're ready, not when they're told to.

MissyMaker · 13/02/2016 11:16

I am not trying to play top trumps here or anything, but you really do need to get a sense of perspective OP. I know of widows (I know a lot of widows) who have had less time of work when their beloved husbands have dropped down dead in front of them.

This was a part-time, not very committed (him), fairly dysfunctional relationship of 6 months.

I am not trying to diminish your feelings, but I really do think that you need to seek some help and support as to why your feelings are so um, extreme for this man. A man who has not treated you very well to say the least.

You're waiting aren't you - waiting for Valentine's Day so that you can tell everyone how much of an arse he has been by not meeting your expectations (whatever they might be).

I think that you are rather liking the attention of it all; the drama of it. It isn't very dramatic actually. It's just another cockjockey mistreating and playing a woman who sadly has very little self-esteem.

SnowBallsAreHere · 13/02/2016 11:50

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var123 · 13/02/2016 12:12

pumpkinmoon1 - I know it sounds silly, but just to check, you do know that we're not advising you the abstract here? Its not a philosophical examination of your options. You have to leave him. That's a call to act, not something to idle away a few hours doing a scenario analysis in your head. Its Real!

Your hand needs to reach out pick up the phone. You need to scroll down to his number and click the envelop button and then write "I do not want to go out with you any more. Thank you for respecting this by not contacting me again. and then press the green send button.

DaemonPantalaemon · 13/02/2016 15:26

I know of widows (I know a lot of widows) who have had less time of work when their beloved husbands have dropped down dead in front of them

THIS. THIS. THIS!

Come on OP! Just say no to the drama! Dump the fucker already!

TheDayIBroke · 13/02/2016 19:06

Hell's teeth, girl, have some pride in yourself. Each day that passes you ARE being second fiddle to his true love. How can you have a relationship with him again after those revelations? The sex (he'll be pretending that you are her), no marriage and certainly no kids.

How much clearer does he need to say it - one call from her and he'll be gone so quick your head will spin.

When you do decide to dump his sorry arse, you can begin to really grieve - and heal.

pumpkinmoon1 · 13/02/2016 21:05

Thank you all. I've avoided this thread today as I am not having a good day or night and quite frankly, I'm embarrassed. I was OK until he started to text me reminiscing about how I would go to the pub with him to watch Liverpool, saying that it wasn't that bad as there was beer on tap and then went on to say that he didn't mind it either when I was watching big brother as long as there were cans in the fridge. I haven't replied. I am just so down tonight. I am pulling the plug tomorrow. I cannot do this anymore.

OP posts:
pumpkinmoon1 · 13/02/2016 21:07

I wish I had not let him back into my house last Sunday night, and I wish I had told him to get the fuck out of my house when he told me he would drop me in a fucking second if she came back! I need to do some serious work on myself. I am so utterly pathetic.

OP posts:
pumpkinmoon1 · 13/02/2016 21:11

I've been thinking about why he all of a sudden fessed up... And u came to the conclusion that it was not running smoothly anymore, I started getting some balls and voicing my opinion on things like not being mentioned to his parents, not spending enough time together on weekends so I guess he realised that I was no longer going to put up and shut up. Someone mentioned the same somewhere in this thread today.

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tingon · 13/02/2016 21:16

You're not pathetic pumpkin he is. I've never said this before, but you are worth more than this. He will try to reel you back in, but take it from someone who knows, you could waste precious time on this man with no end result. You will never get what you need from him.

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